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#1801 Branden

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:42 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jun 29 2012, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, english dub is meh to me. Sasuke voice seems to be on a lot of other guys. Naruto voice is meh and actually, I was hoping his voice changes timeskip. Oh well, I do wonder if Sakura's voice dub sounded sweet during all the necessary NaruSaku moments. Maybe I will find out when Movie 3 releases in US.

Back to topic, Naruto is in love with Sakura and NOTHING is going to change it.

You know, I just remember something. I may be late, but I reread the manga and now I remember why Naruto is so sad when asked if he confessed his love to her. I remember that Naruto promised her that Sasuke will never go to the dark side. She was very happy and Naruto kept her smiling. Then, of course, it happened. Now Naruto felt guilty for letting that smile disappear. It's no wonder Naruto got major upset when Sasuke was laughing after receiving CS2. Honestly, Naruto deserves her love. If it doesn't happen, it is, without a doubt, a bad move. Naruto is based on you, Kishi. Make him/yourself proud!

You know I use to think nothing would change his love as well.
But what if... and hear me out on this one... WHAT IF Sakura is actually Madara!?

LoL JK but seriously I really doubt that there's anything that could change how much Naruto loves Sakura. I mean even if she turned into an evil revenge focussed Akatsuki member and betrayed the leaf he would still love her.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:47 AM

Naruto and Sasuke are friend and Naruto doesn't give up, he will do anything to fulfill his promise and save his misguided friend.
I hear this argument a lot when it comes to Sasuke's redemption, Naruto never give up.

So the question I been tempted to ask them many times they use that argument. If Naruto never gives up on anything or anyone, why people believe he will give up on Sakura?

Something else, why if Naruto say that he cannot tell Sakura how he fell because he hasn't completed his promise to her. Why people believe he will not let her know about his feelings for her and why he feel that way about her?

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:49 AM

Based on what has happened with Sasuke, if Sakura turned evil and worked for the Akatsuki, Naruto would love her even harder.


.... That sounds wrong, but what I mean is, like before, Naruto was less willing to admit that Sasuke was his friend until he ran away. Of course they were friends, but Naruto would have rather considered him a rival compared to a friend. Now he's Sasuke's super onesided friend.

If Sakura were to turn evil.... maybe Naruto would be more willing to admit he's in love with her and become her super love stalker. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:52 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know I use to think nothing would change his love as well.
But what if... and hear me out on this one... WHAT IF Sakura is actually Madara!?

LoL JK but seriously I really doubt that there's anything that could change how much Naruto loves Sakura. I mean even if she turned into an evil revenge focussed Akatsuki member and betrayed the leaf he would still love her.





QUOTE (kirabook @ Jun 29 2012, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Based on what has happened with Sasuke, if Sakura turned evil and worked for the Akatsuki, Naruto would love her even harder.


.... That sounds wrong, but what I mean is, like before, Naruto was less willing to admit that Sasuke was his friend until he ran away. Of course they were friends, but Naruto would have rather considered him a rival compared to a friend. Now he's Sasuke's super onesided friend.

If Sakura were to turn evil.... maybe Naruto would be more willing to admit he's in love with her and become her super love stalker. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:53 AM

I just noticed, every time there's a "princess" in a Naruto movie her personality pattern is always the same. At first she hates or distrust Naruto and as the movie goes on she warms up to him. From what I remember:

- Original Movie 1: The actress princess didn't 't like him and hated that Naruto was constantly asking for an autograph, but at the end she gave him one in a photo of her giving him a kiss in the cheek. That was sweet of her.

- I dont' think movie 2 and 3 had any "princesses" but I haven't seen them anyway

- Shippuden Movie 1: Has Shion (this has been the worst offender) she starts hating Naruto's guts and mocking him with her predictions of him dying, but by the end of the film she develops such a huge crush for him (in such a short time) that she even indirectly proposes to bear his children. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 2: Has Amaru, the girl disguised as a boy, who at one point got so pissed of with Naruto that she even slapped him in the face, but by the end of the movie she jumped after Naruto, who was falling from the sky, and took hold of him tenderly as both fell. It was implied she might've gotten a crush on Naruto but it was left pretty ambiguous. I want to add that this is the same movie that had Naruto holding Sakura tenderly after some monster attack and she got so shocked that she slapped him and trembled a little. I guess realizing that Naruto is now becoming a man makes her very nervous. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 3: No princess here, but as discussed, in exchange we got Sakura spending a lot of time with Naruto. We got those scenes of her slapping him because she was concerned for his safety, then again for the same reasons when he sneaked out of the hospital while looking at him tenderly from behind and praising his healing abilities. She later breaks him out of jail and near the climax of the movie there that comment of Sai about women becoming stronger when they fight for the men they love, but I think Sakura told him to shut up before he got to the love part. laugh.gif

-Shippuden Movie 4: Has Sara, the stubborn princess who thanks Naruto for rescuing her from a lethal fall by slapping him (poor naruto sure gets slapped a lot laugh.gif ) but by the end of the film she became extremely sadden when Minato explained that her memories of Naruto would be erased for the sake of not altering the past. I don't think this one developed a crush for Naruto but at the very least became very fond of him. Something to note is the Sakura got slightly annoyed when they encountered Sara's daughter in the present and Naruto mentions he might've seen her in a dream. Sakura ended up pulling his ear and calling him a pervert for a dream. Oh Sakura, you just jelly that Naruto wasn't dreaming about you. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 5: I haven't seen all of the movie but from what I gather Ryuzetsu, the "princess" for the movie, wasn't too fond of the attitude Naruto was taking in the prison and wanted him to be more serious about it. I saw a scene where she even slapped him (again, what's with every women slapping Naruto? laugh.gif ) when Naruto though she was an okama (transvestite) instead of a girl when her gender was exposed. Midway she reluctantly formed an alliance with him, but by the near end she willingly sacrificed herself twice for Naruto's sake. The first one was when she put herself between Naruto and the claw of the giant monster villain that was about to stab Naruto, he was also stabbed but to a lesser degree thank to Ryuzetsu. The second one was when she used a special technique to revive Naruto who had dying because of said stab wound and she did it knowing that using the technique would come at the cost of her life. As with Sara I'm sure that she didn't develop a crush on Naruto but became extremely fond of him.

Whether they develop romantic feelings or not for Naruto it seems that every girl always follows the same pattern of at first disliking but eventually warming up to Naruto. I talked about this because, whether intentional or not from the makers of this movies, it seems people are fond of the idea of Naruto working hard to earn the trust of each new girl he encounters instead of that trust simply being given to him immediately. It seems that kind of story of earning the trust of the girl has a special appeal in Japan.

This is why I truly believe that Sakura will be Naruto's final girl, because he worked hard to get her affection. He never gave up on liking her and that caused Sakura to little by little change her opinion of Naruto. In the majority of the animes I've seen, there's always a preference for the girl that isn't that fond of the main character in the beginning but warms up to him as he works hard to gain her affection. That's the very reason the stereotype of tsundere is one of the most, if not the most, popular in Japan.

This turned out to be longer that expected, I hope I can get some feedback and opinions on this.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:08 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just noticed, every time there's a "princess" in a Naruto movie her personality pattern is always the same. At first she hates or distrust Naruto and as the movie goes on she warms up to him. From what I remember:

- Original Movie 1: The actress princess didn't 't like him and hated that Naruto was constantly asking for an autograph, but at the end she gave him one in a photo of her giving him a kiss in the cheek. That was sweet of her.

- I dont' think movie 2 and 3 had any "princesses" but I haven't seen them anyway

- Shippuden Movie 1: Has Shion (this has been the worst offender) she starts hating Naruto's guts and mocking him with her predictions of him dying, but by the end of the film she develops such a huge crush for him (in such a short time) that she even indirectly proposes to bear his children. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 2: Has Amaru, the girl disguised as a boy, who at one point got so pissed of with Naruto that she even slapped him in the face, but by the end of the movie she jumped after Naruto, who was falling from the sky, and took hold of him tenderly as both fell. It was implied she might've gotten a crush on Naruto but it was left pretty ambiguous. I want to add that this is the same movie that had Naruto holding Sakura tenderly after some monster attack and she got so shocked that she slapped him and trembled a little. I guess realizing that Naruto is now becoming a man makes her very nervous. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 3: No princess here, but as discussed, in exchange we got Sakura spending a lot of time with Naruto. We got those scenes of her slapping him because she was concerned for his safety, then again for the same reasons when he sneaked out of the hospital while looking at him tenderly from behind and praising his healing abilities. She later breaks him out of jail and near the climax of the movie there that comment of Sai about women becoming stronger when they fight for the men they love, but I think Sakura told him to shut up before he got to the love part. laugh.gif

-Shippuden Movie 4: Has Sara, the stubborn princess who thanks Naruto for rescuing her from a lethal fall by slapping him (poor naruto sure gets slapped a lot laugh.gif ) but by the end of the film she became extremely sadden when Minato explained that her memories of Naruto would be erased for the sake of not altering the past. I don't think this one developed a crush for Naruto but at the very least became very fond of him. Something to note is the Sakura got slightly annoyed when they encountered Sara's daughter in the present and Naruto mentions he might've seen her in a dream. Sakura ended up pulling his ear and calling him a pervert for a dream. Oh Sakura, you just jelly that Naruto wasn't dreaming about you. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 5: I haven't seen all of the movie but from what I gather Ryuzetsu, the "princess" for the movie, wasn't too fond of the attitude Naruto was taking in the prison and wanted him to be more serious about it. I saw a scene where she even slapped him (again, what's with every women slapping Naruto? laugh.gif ) when Naruto though she was an okama (transvestite) instead of a girl when her gender was exposed. Midway she reluctantly formed an alliance with him, but by the near end she willingly sacrificed herself twice for Naruto's sake. The first one was when she put herself between Naruto and the claw of the giant monster villain that was about to stab Naruto, he was also stabbed but to a lesser degree thank to Ryuzetsu. The second one was when she used a special technique to revive Naruto who had dying because of said stab wound and she did it knowing that using the technique would come at the cost of her life. As with Sara I'm sure that she didn't develop a crush on Naruto but became extremely fond of him.

Whether they develop romantic feelings or not for Naruto it seems that every girl always follows the same pattern of at first disliking but eventually warming up to Naruto. I talked about this because, whether intentional or not from the makers of this movies, it seems people are fond of the idea of Naruto working hard to earn the trust of each new girl he encounters instead of that trust simply being given to him immediately. It seems that kind of story of earning the trust of the girl has a special appeal in Japan.

This is why I truly believe that Sakura will be Naruto's final girl, because he worked hard to get her affection. He never gave up on liking her and that caused Sakura to little by little change her opinion of Naruto. In the majority of the animes I've seen, there's always a preference for the girl that isn't that fond of the main character in the beginning but warms up to him as he works hard to gain her affection. That's the very reason the stereotype of tsundere is one of the most, if not the most, popular in Japan.

This turned out to be longer that expected, I hope I can get some feedback and opinions on this.

Great read. I still didn't watch the latest movie, though I did enjoy the short. Funny stuff there.

Which remind me, in Shounen, shouldn't pairing consist "fun"? NaruSaku is a fun pairing because they got lots of things in common and they can balance each other really well. I'm just saying. Other pairing is rather bland or nothing good will come off from them. That's just me.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:11 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just noticed, every time there's a "princess" in a Naruto movie her personality pattern is always the same. At first she hates or distrust Naruto and as the movie goes on she warms up to him. From what I remember:

- Original Movie 1: The actress princess didn't 't like him and hated that Naruto was constantly asking for an autograph, but at the end she gave him one in a photo of her giving him a kiss in the cheek. That was sweet of her.

- I dont' think movie 2 and 3 had any "princesses" but I haven't seen them anyway

- Shippuden Movie 1: Has Shion (this has been the worst offender) she starts hating Naruto's guts and mocking him with her predictions of him dying, but by the end of the film she develops such a huge crush for him (in such a short time) that she even indirectly proposes to bear his children. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 2: Has Amaru, the girl disguised as a boy, who at one point got so pissed of with Naruto that she even slapped him in the face, but by the end of the movie she jumped after Naruto, who was falling from the sky, and took hold of him tenderly as both fell. It was implied she might've gotten a crush on Naruto but it was left pretty ambiguous. I want to add that this is the same movie that had Naruto holding Sakura tenderly after some monster attack and she got so shocked that she slapped him and trembled a little. I guess realizing that Naruto is now becoming a man makes her very nervous. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 3: No princess here, but as discussed, in exchange we got Sakura spending a lot of time with Naruto. We got those scenes of her slapping him because she was concerned for his safety, then again for the same reasons when he sneaked out of the hospital while looking at him tenderly from behind and praising his healing abilities. She later breaks him out of jail and near the climax of the movie there that comment of Sai about women becoming stronger when they fight for the men they love, but I think Sakura told him to shut up before he got to the love part. laugh.gif

-Shippuden Movie 4: Has Sara, the stubborn princess who thanks Naruto for rescuing her from a lethal fall by slapping him (poor naruto sure gets slapped a lot laugh.gif ) but by the end of the film she became extremely sadden when Minato explained that her memories of Naruto would be erased for the sake of not altering the past. I don't think this one developed a crush for Naruto but at the very least became very fond of him. Something to note is the Sakura got slightly annoyed when they encountered Sara's daughter in the present and Naruto mentions he might've seen her in a dream. Sakura ended up pulling his ear and calling him a pervert for a dream. Oh Sakura, you just jelly that Naruto wasn't dreaming about you. laugh.gif

- Shippuden Movie 5: I haven't seen all of the movie but from what I gather Ryuzetsu, the "princess" for the movie, wasn't too fond of the attitude Naruto was taking in the prison and wanted him to be more serious about it. I saw a scene where she even slapped him (again, what's with every women slapping Naruto? laugh.gif ) when Naruto though she was an okama (transvestite) instead of a girl when her gender was exposed. Midway she reluctantly formed an alliance with him, but by the near end she willingly sacrificed herself twice for Naruto's sake. The first one was when she put herself between Naruto and the claw of the giant monster villain that was about to stab Naruto, he was also stabbed but to a lesser degree thank to Ryuzetsu. The second one was when she used a special technique to revive Naruto who had dying because of said stab wound and she did it knowing that using the technique would come at the cost of her life. As with Sara I'm sure that she didn't develop a crush on Naruto but became extremely fond of him.

Whether they develop romantic feelings or not for Naruto it seems that every girl always follows the same pattern of at first disliking but eventually warming up to Naruto. I talked about this because, whether intentional or not from the makers of this movies, it seems people are fond of the idea of Naruto working hard to earn the trust of each new girl he encounters instead of that trust simply being given to him immediately. It seems that kind of story of earning the trust of the girl has a special appeal in Japan.

This is why I truly believe that Sakura will be Naruto's final girl, because he worked hard to get her affection. He never gave up on liking her and that caused Sakura to little by little change her opinion of Naruto. In the majority of the animes I've seen, there's always a preference for the girl that isn't that fond of the main character in the beginning but warms up to him as he works hard to gain her affection. That's the very reason the stereotype of tsundere is one of the most, if not the most, popular in Japan.

This turned out to be longer that expected, I hope I can get some feedback and opinions on this.


Here is the Urban Dictionary Definition of fanservice:
"In anime, fanservice stands for scenes which are not relevant to the overall plot at all, but merely are included to give the viewers what they presumably want to see."


Your right, for some reason the mean now crush later (tsundere) approach seems to sell quite a bit in Japan, and now that you mention it, it also explains why Sakura is more popular in Japan.

Now, in a movie if you have Sakura showing romance towards Naruto then by default there will be a pairing debate that will no doubt have a lot of discussion that overall just makes the movie more popular and as a direct result make more MONEY.

This same principle applies to this "Naruto Princess Movie" genre. The audience really likes it so they keep doing it. As long as they make a profit this will continue to happen.

But hey, I'm getting off topic. What I really mean to say is that these are only movies, so they can't be taken seriously.




The exception of course : Road to Ninja

Why you may ask? Because Kishimoto himself is making it!

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:19 AM

^ Of course, I'm aware that the movie aren't meant to be take as canon proof. I just talked about them to point out the fact that there's a certain appeal in Japan in working hard to earn a girl's trust. I want to apply that mentality as the reason for why I think Sakura is more likely to be the final girl for Naruto.

The basis of Naruto's and Sakura's relationship has more appeal than the one shared by Naruto and Hinata or Sakura and Sasuke.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:22 AM

But still, people are making a big deal about the Road to Ninja movie.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:25 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Of course, I'm aware that the movie aren't meant to be take as canon proof. I just talked about them to point out the fact that there's a certain appeal in Japan in working hard to earn a girl's trust. I want to apply that mentality as the reason for why I think Sakura is more likely to be the final girl for Naruto.

The basis of Naruto's and Sakura's relationship has more appeal than the one shared by Naruto and Hinata or Sakura and Sasuke.


here is the counter argument to that. skip to 1:40
this is the source I originally found this counterargument from


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:47 AM

^ Take note on the 3 basic elements that he mentions Naruto is based in, is at 5:48:

1) Never giving up. (I can easily apply it to Naruto never giving up on his love to Sakura)

2) The future generations always surpass the previous ones. (Jiraiya and Obito, who are direct parallels of Naruto, failed to get the girl they loved. It would be pretty crappy if Naruto also failed as well. It would be saying that if you have a personality like Naruto you will never be able to get the girl you like)

3) Naruto has the power to change people. (Through his determination he'll be able to win Sakura's heart even though she disliked him in the beginning)

He pretty much burned himself when he pointed out the three elements in Naruto.

Furthermore, he says Naruto won't get together with Sakura because it has been done before? Are you kidding? What ever happened to the term "If it ain't broke don't fix it". The reason people use the development of earning the girl's trust is because it works, yet Sawyer is saying that because is used often is now boring? Where in the world is the evidence of that. Besides, narusaku is not portrayed as a sure thing, if it was then we would be debating it in the first place. Even if it has the most evidence it's not portrayed as a certainty. Who care if it's once again the main hero and heroine, it's not about which characters fall in love, it's about the journey they share as they fall in love.

Sawyer just sounds fed up with NaruSaku fans that screamed to his face that NaruSaku is canon. He prefers NaruHina, although I don't think he cares about pairings anymore nowadays, so he wanted to rant since he seems to have gotten tired of it. As there are horrible NaruHina and SasuSaku fans there are also those kind of fans for NaruSaku. There are just bad apples anywhere, period.

You said yourself that the tsundere stereotype sells well, so its popularity hasn't diminished in Japan. So I'm definitely sure no editor is gonna fire a mangaka for following the same formula. People aren't getting tired of it, they love having it again and again and again. It's a like a benign drug.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
here is the counter argument to that. skip to 1:40
this is the source I originally found this counterargument from


Ok, no offince, but that guy...is an idiot. If you think the story is bad because the lead male gets the lead female...that's just wrong. So let's see...that would make...over 90% of the shows, manga, book serise, and what not stupid in his opinion. Pretty lame excuse agains NS in my opinion.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:54 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jun 29 2012, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, no offince, but that guy...is an idiot. If you think the story is bad because the lead male gets the lead female...that's just wrong. So let's see...that would make...over 90% of the shows, manga, book serise, and what not stupid in his opinion. Pretty lame excuse agains NS in my opinion.


Please refer from posting video rants from opposite fandoms because it will lead to bashing like you just did right now. Anyway about sawyer's rant it was a weak statement about the lead male/lead female thing he very well knows the truth that Naruto is another shounen manga where the male protagonist will get the female protagonist/the heroine and tsundere.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:54 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ Take note on the 3 basic elements that he mentions Naruto is based in, is at 5:48:

1) Never giving up. (I can easily apply it to Naruto never giving up on his love to Sakura)

2) The future generations always surpass the previous ones. (Jiraiya and Obito, who are direct parallels of Naruto, failed to get the girl they loved. It would be pretty crappy if Naruto also failed as well. It would be saying that if you have a personality like Naruto you will never be able to get the girl you like)

3) Naruto has the power to change people. (Through his determination he'll be able to win Sakura's heart even though she disliked him in the beginning)

He pretty much burned himself when he pointed out the three elements in Naruto.

Furthermore, he says Naruto won't get together with Sakura because it has been done before? Are you kidding? What ever happened to the term "If it ain't broke don't fix it". The reason people use the development of earning the girl's trust is because it works, yet Sawyer is saying that because is used often is now boring? Where in the world is the evidence of that. Besides, narusaku is not portrayed as a sure thing, if it was then we would be debating it in the first place. Even if it has the most evidence it's not portrayed as a certainty.

Sawyer just sounds fed up with NaruSaku fans that screamed to his face that NaruSaku is canon. He prefers NaruHina, although I don't think he cares about pairing anymore nowadays, so he wanted to rant since he seems to have gotten tired of it. As there are horrible NaruHina and SasuSaku fans there are also those kind of fans for NaruSaku. There are just bad apples anywhere, period.

You said yourself the the tsundere stereotype, sells well, so its popularity hasn't diminished in Japan. So I'm definitely sure no editor is gonna fire a mangaka for following the same formula. People aren't getting tired of it, they love having it again and again and again. It's a like a benign drug.



but if Naruto is ending and Kishimoto isnt planning a 2nd series, then this would be the perfect time to make naruhina. he has nothing to lose really. I hate to think it, but it would make sense if the tsundere approach was to draw fans in.

i hope im wrong but still it does make some sense... I just hope not because I always imagined Kishimoto's personality was like Kakashi's... I dont have any reason to support he is like Kakashi but thats just how I always imagined him.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 02:58 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 29 2012, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please refer from posting video rants from opposite fandoms because it will lead to bashing like you just did right now. Anyway about sawyer's rant it was a weak statement about the lead male/lead female thing he very well knows the truth that Naruto is another shounen manga where the male protagonist will get the female protagonist/the heroine and tsundere.

What the hell? I didn't even post that! And that wasn't really even bashing. Truth hurts sometimes.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:03 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but if Naruto is ending and Kishimoto isnt planning a 2nd series, then this would be the perfect time to make naruhina. he has nothing to lose really. I hate to think it, but it would make sense if the tsundere approach was to draw fans in.

I'd like to think that Kishimoto has a better moral compass than just using to tsundere approach for the sake of luring fans in only to disappoint them by making Naruto fall in love with Hinata (out of nowhere). That would be in bad taste from the author and would be disrespectful to his fans. Kishimoto is better than that, he wouldn't make all those moments with Sakura only for the sake of deceiving his fans.

Did you read how I counter-argued Sawyer's 3 basic Naruto elements, how I made them apply to Naruto's dedication to love Sakura? I there's something Sawyer and I can agree on in his video is that those 3 basic elements are real and if Kishi were to ignore any of them he would be contradicting his own manga.

Edited by redragon88, 30 June 2012 - 03:09 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:18 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to think that Kishimoto has a better moral compass than just using to tsundere approach for the sake of luring fans in only to disappoint them by making Naruto fall in love with Hinata (out of nowhere). That would be in bad taste from the author and would be disrespectful to his fans. Kishimoto is better than that, he wouldn't make all those moments with Sakura only for the sake of deceiving his fans.

Did you read how I counter-argued Sawyer's 3 basic Naruto elements, how I made them apply to Naruto's dedication to love Sakura? I there's something Sawyer and I can agree on in his video is that those 3 basic elements are real and if Kishi were to ignore any of them he would be contradicting his own manga.


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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:19 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 10:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
here is the counter argument to that. skip to 1:40
this is the source I originally found this counterargument from


QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but if Naruto is ending and Kishimoto isnt planning a 2nd series, then this would be the perfect time to make naruhina. he has nothing to lose really. I hate to think it, but it would make sense if the tsundere approach was to draw fans in.

i hope im wrong but still it does make some sense... I just hope not because I always imagined Kishimoto's personality was like Kakashi's... I dont have any reason to support he is like Kakashi but thats just how I always imagined him.





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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:22 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
but if Naruto is ending and Kishimoto isnt planning a 2nd series, then this would be the perfect time to make naruhina. he has nothing to lose really. I hate to think it, but it would make sense if the tsundere approach was to draw fans in.

Sure he does. Kishimoto would lose his credibility as a storyteller if he abandoned his carefully constructed plot and characterizations in favor of a one-sided crush with zero mutual development.

QUOTE (Branden @ Jun 29 2012, 07:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i hope im wrong but still it does make some sense... I just hope not because I always imagined Kishimoto's personality was like Kakashi's... I dont have any reason to support he is like Kakashi but thats just how I always imagined him.

I like this idea!

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Jun 29 2012, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you read how I counter-argued Sawyer's 3 basic Naruto elements, how I made them apply to Naruto's dedication to love Sakura? I there's something Sawyer and I can agree on in his video is that those 3 basic elements are real and if Kishi were to ignore any of them he would be contradicting his own manga.

Well, I read your argument, and thought it was well crafted and spot on. The vid poster's attempt to use Naruto's personality and character traits (as they currently stand, anyway) as a means of supporting NH is quite a stretch.




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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:47 AM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ Jun 29 2012, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're confusing Kihsimoto with Rowling. fu.png

I guess it's a matter of perspective but I always thought that Ron and Hermione's dynamic was very similar to Naruto and Sakura's. So i wasn't shocked when it was building up to them becoming a couple.




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