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[TouKen4Life3g]

So Sakura would be the equivalent of the infinite health cheat codes.

Heaven and Earth power!!!

[Ex-psych75]

This does make me wonder how Studio Pierrot will play Hinata speech to Naruto. At first I thought they would just glorify it, but due to their recent actions with the CD drama and episode, I really have no clue anymore.

[TouKen4Life3g]

This does make me wonder how Studio Pierrot will play Hinata speech to Naruto. At first I thought they would just glorify it, but due to their recent actions with the CD drama and episode, I really have no clue anymore.

What do you mean?

[redragon88]

This does make me wonder how Studio Pierrot will play Hinata speech to Naruto. At first I thought they would just glorify it, but due to their recent actions with the CD drama and episode, I really have no clue anymore.

They might be NS fans but they're also Hinata fans. Of course they'll glorify the kitten out of that speech.

It's even more obvious when you consider it's Hinata's character resolution. I just hope that by the time that happens we already get many more NS moments in the manga so that we don't make a big deal out of it.

[Ex-psych75]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I just meant that they were leaning into NS with the recent fillers (power, naruto reconfirming his love) and the CD drama. Making me think if it would affect how they will make Hinata talk to Naruto.

[StrikerTheNoble]

The fact remains that even when they managed to make an entire episode out of a few panels the IMPORTANT things were left intact. They can do whatever they want to Hinata. But as long as Naruto is friendzoning Hinata nothing changes. So they can glorify the living daylight out of her speach. If they leave Naruto`s reaction as it is Im ok with it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

They might be NS fans but they're also Hinata fans. Of course they'll glorify the kitten out of that speech.

It's even more obvious when you consider it's Hinata's character resolution. I just hope that by the time that happens we already get many more NS moments in the manga so that we don't make a big deal out of it.

This.

Hinata fans get in the mix of NH, which well not really a bad thing, but there's a limit for thinking that it must happen. If it doesn't, then it just doesn't. Doesn't mean you should just give up altogether. As for media wise, well it at times come across as NH, but really, it's more of her first, then anything else is up for grabs. I noticed they always have a role of "Am I stronger" in NH. When you look back, it's been like that for a while. That's her character and when she gets a response, it's like a test grade. That's not to say she doesn't love him, because she does, but I don't think it's a huge deal as we may assumed. The love aspect usually use for SD, the recent CD, and actually, it's comedy.

Now when it comes to NS, it's not always about one thing. It's just how they are and they always seem to close the arc in anime filler arc. First one in shippuuden, you got a revisit of 4-tailed incident and before it ends, we got an NS scene. 3-tailed beast arc, before it ends, Naruto talks something that he learned and Sakura stood, listened, smiled, and then, walk and talk with Naruto. I forgot the 5-tailed one. Chikara had Sakura crying for him in such worry, which is the last thing that considered a pairing related scene. In fact, there's a director cut coming soon for it, so perhaps a proper ending. Anyway, we can go to games but I think everyone understand. So to conclude this, there's actually a difference between NS fanservice and Hinata fanservice. Yeah, they will glorify the speech, but oh well, nothing we can do.

[Chatte]

Quick question. Does anyone know from where the Rinnegan pattern was inspired?

[Dkey]

Quick question. Does anyone know from where the Rinnegan pattern was inspired?

Samsara, the cycle of reincarnation or rebirth in several Indian religions. Rinne seems to be the japanese word for samsara.

[Chatte]

Samsara, the cycle of reincarnation or rebirth in several Indian religions. Rinne seems to be the japanese word for samsara.

I see. Thanks a lot. I have to check on something. For just a preview, I am seeing Sakura's circle pattern linked to even more things. I know it sounds crazy and I won't be talking too much about it, but I just wanna check few things out for myself.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I see. Thanks a lot. I have to check on something. For just a preview, I am seeing Sakura's circle pattern linked to even more things. I know it sounds crazy and I won't be talking too much about it, but I just wanna check few things out for myself.

Chatte dont go too far ok. If you take the mithology research to far you may end up discovering some global conspiracy.

[Chatte]

Chatte dont go too far ok. If you take the mithology research to far you may end up discovering some global conspiracy.

I know, that's why I just asked and want to read for myself. Because I am sure that Kishi won't go that far anyway.
But it's for my own fun and information and imagine myself what a great character she would've be or become if Kishi would've done more than just this development at a psychological state, to develop her in powers as well or something along the line.
That's why I said I am going to do it for my own.
But thanks for the heads-up!

LE: Plus it all clicked now from a comment someone gave me on DA.

Edited by Chatte, 27 April 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I know, that's why I just asked and want to read for myself. Because I am sure that Kishi won't go that far anyway.
But it's for my own fun and information and imagine myself what a great character she would've be or become if Kishi would've done more than just this development at a psychological state, to develop her in powers as well or something along the line.
That's why I said I am going to do it for my own.
But thanks for the heads-up!

LE: Plus it all clicked now from a comment someone gave me on DA.

Kishimoto`s code

thats should be a movie. The search for the lost secrets left behind by Kishimoto.

[Inferno180]

This.

Hinata fans get in the mix of NH, which well not really a bad thing, but there's a limit for thinking that it must happen. If it doesn't, then it just doesn't. Doesn't mean you should just give up altogether. As for media wise, well it at times come across as NH, but really, it's more of her first, then anything else is up for grabs. I noticed they always have a role of "Am I stronger" in NH. When you look back, it's been like that for a while. That's her character and when she gets a response, it's like a test grade. That's not to say she doesn't love him, because she does, but I don't think it's a huge deal as we may assumed. The love aspect usually use for SD, the recent CD, and actually, it's comedy.

Now when it comes to NS, it's not always about one thing. It's just how they are and they always seem to close the arc in anime filler arc. First one in shippuuden, you got a revisit of 4-tailed incident and before it ends, we got an NS scene. 3-tailed beast arc, before it ends, Naruto talks something that he learned and Sakura stood, listened, smiled, and then, walk and talk with Naruto. I forgot the 5-tailed one. Chikara had Sakura crying for him in such worry, which is the last thing that considered a pairing related scene. In fact, there's a director cut coming soon for it, so perhaps a proper ending. Anyway, we can go to games but I think everyone understand. So to conclude this, there's actually a difference between NS fanservice and Hinata fanservice. Yeah, they will glorify the speech, but oh well, nothing we can do.

A better comparison is this: Look at the moments of emotion Sakura and Hinata had for Naruto. Sakura had the 4 tails event and Hinata had the pain event. Both were big on their parts, but which do we see popping up again and again? The 4 tails event. Naruto was shocked and ashamed when he did it to Sakura, this event even had impacted Sakura but she never thought differently of Naruto for it. The 4 tails event was even a predecessor effect for Naruto when he went 6 tails. He was worried about Hinata sure, but also the rest of the villagers, he did not want to hurt anyone again especially since then. Even beyond these 2 events, look at the 4 tails event, for a simple event it has a lot of meaning, it was the purpose Naruto trained in Wind-Style to depend on his own power, it later tied in with him for Sage mode, it did not lead him to sage mode but it was power away from Kurama he could depend on. Again though in the manga, Naruto realizes that he was ashamed of what he did to Sakura but knew he could not run from it forever, he took his curse and made it a blessing, now I would not be surprised with him actually using the power in full to protect Sakura if it came to it (beyond this recent chapter).

Then again look at how this event is repeated: Not only in the manga but even in the anime, in the sora arc Naruto tells Sakura he knew what he did to her and resolved to not let it happen again, and he tells this to her while he protected her with his own body. It was one of his biggest sources of pain aside from Sasuke running, Jiriaya dying, and being alone as a child. All the times this event is repeated though, its only in small moments and never repeated.

Now look at Hinata defending Naruto from Pain. In the manga it was a simple moment, she confessed, got steamrolled, and later on a small memory of Naruto from what she did, yet it faded to the back. Does this mean anything? It may but it again stuff with Hinata just faded to the back. Now it may have been eclipsed by 615. Its hard to tell with Hinata because her main problem as a character is she is a minor so this does not leave us much to speculate with, 2 moments and even still limited development in part 2 is not helping her case. Her only lasting role in any arc is the chunin exams and its still the only one. She has no major lasting roles in any arc, there is a difference between a lasting role in an arc (like team 10 in the hidan and kakuzu) and just a short moment (like 615)

Now the problem with Hinata's pain moment? Perriot just overdid it, they basically made the filler episode one where it was like Hinata would die. Even after the credits of this episode it shows how she says she never got to say thank you to him. Seriously perriot? You knew she was alive beyond this point, why even put in all this emotion and just drag it out? This whole episode for a minor moment just overplayed everything. I mean people would yell the same thing about the episode for Sakura the 4 tails, and healing Naruto but there is a difference. Sakura's events all happened in a course of a few chapters and had reason to take up one episode. Hinata's was a simple 7-10 page event maybe less and got a whole freaking episode of mixed up junk, flashbacks and powers she never even had with Pain essentially toying with her.

Now that episode 166 overdid everything for this moment, I can assure anyone that Perriot will run 615 into the ground as far as they can, its only one chapter and around the same length, guess what they will do? Aside from the vol 64 cover having a proper reason for this moment (as its the climax of the volume being Naruto's breaking point) they will go full overblown mode basically, openings, closings, extend the scene for too long, throw in more flashbacks, put on some music, even make up crap which should not be there almost showing Naruto should have turned to Hinata at this point. But in the manga he still shows no signs of just being over Sakura, even then it would still bring lots of ruin to his character to just give up on Sakura. At this point though, when the anime reaches 615, hopefully more NaruSaku stuff would have occurred and overdone this moment. No matter how much perriort tries to build this up though, like 166 it would not change what actually happens. Long as NaruSaku is the dominant one by the point 615 comes to the anime, I won't have a problem. NaruSaku is still the highest developed, lasting, and undamaging to the story. Its in the story and part of it. Nothing Perriort does will change that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Nice post.

What if they just do it in a normal length? I mean it could happen. I'm surprised that 540 didn't get overblown moment, but it was normal. Go figure. They even continue it in the omake with a more "huh?" into the mix. So yeah, but I guess we have to wait and see.

[Chatte]

Kishimoto`s code

thats should be a movie. The search for the lost secrets left behind by Kishimoto.

Lol, yeah. I know it's crazy but it's just bugging me.

Because.... I mean, we all know Hashirama's forehead circle.



We all know Naruto's circle patterns on Bijuu Mode.



But what it clicked me is that guy asked me on my theory about Sakura's development being related to Hashirama, where do I think the rinnegan ripple pattern was inspired. And at first, I was like... what the rinnegan has to do with this, until literally a minute before asked you guys about it, I was browsing on DeviantArt and a colored manga panel of Madara with the rinnegan appeared to me and when I checked the manga, guess what I saw.

[look at red highlight]



I mean, all these are similar to this.



I know, I swear I know it's crazy but the designs are so similar. And with Nagato's rinnegan pattern is the same.



At first, like I said, why is he bringing Rinnegan in this and I didn't understood, but now I got it. The middle is the same pattern.

He left me some clues there but I don't understand anything, to be honest. I will have to google more about what he said to me, but... funny, a thing about the rinnegan:

It was said that in times when the world is in disorder, a person is sent down from the heavens to become either a "God of Creation" who

will calm the world, or a "Destroyer" who reduce everything to nothing.

What I also found about itŞ

The color of the rinnegan itself, is blue. A blue ripple pattern, like a rain drop falling into a pool of water, sending out waves. Pain comes from the Village of rain and is often associated with rain and water in many different pictures.

Rain comes from the heavens, it feeds the plants and gives new life.

We all know that Sakura was associated with Heaven back in Part one. And also, as we know, there are 6 paths and the sixth is the human one. Well, guess who is the character with the most developed human side in the manga said by Kishi himself? Yup, Sakura.

And this...

In Buddhism, the Human realm (also known as the "Manuṣya realm") is based on passion, desire, doubt, and pride. It is widely believed that the Human realm is the form of rebirth most likely to attain enlightenment, due to both the availability of information and teachers, and the ability to reason without falling victim to the obsessive aggression or carnal delights inherited by the higher planes.


And the comment of this guy:

People of the 4th chakra live in harmony with the world. Desires are no longer a problem because the energy of the 4th chakra is ballanced in all 6 directions. The life of such a person becomes an inspiration to others because they find peace and relief in his presence.

Six paths of pain, 4th chakra having in commen the desire, the human path said to be based on desire, Sakura's circle pattern match those of even rinnegan, more or less. Gaah, dunno. It's something there connecting that I can't see exactly.
And funny how the 7th path of Nagato had "Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique" that brought back the dead, being also called the circle of transmigration, Tsunade's technique which is a form of bringing 'the dead' back to life, The Sage's Banbutsu Sozo, Sozo Saisei, both meaning creation of life.
Gahh, dunno, it's a connection there that I can't seem to find.
Anyway, sorry for the rambling. I must've bored you anyway. ^^

[Inferno180]

Nice post.

What if they just do it in a normal length? I mean it could happen. I'm surprised that 540 didn't get overblown moment, but it was normal. Go figure. They even continue it in the omake with a more "huh?" into the mix. So yeah, but I guess we have to wait and see.

Well in the omake with Sakura talking about Hinata's ending credits, Naruto does say that the staff just let the stuff with Hinata get out of hand so its like they are mocking that. I mean the simple quote of Kishi from 2010 saying Hinata would make a better heroine at the time was attributed into this one too.

But they never mention how after this statement Kishi continued stating how Sakura does display the potential and can fulfill it and that he would try to have her fulfill it. This is both after the pain and reunion of team 7 events. Yet given the overblown proportion of Hinata and even a few insane fans trying to censor stuff or jump to conclusions just always leave this stuff out because if its Sakura and Naruto relation related, they just try to white it out.

I mean they act like this despite Kishi confirming the love triangle for team 7 is still on. We even have more reason stating Naruto still loves Sakura despite the fact that the manga has not given a clear answer yet we still get a filler (ep235) showing him currently in love with her after the fake confession (it does not count but hey its the only notion) even then we have many story and logical based reasons for him still being in love with Sakura and just how NH cannot happen without damaging the story.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Lol, yeah. I know it's crazy but it's just bugging me.

Because.... I mean, we all know Hashirama's forehead circle.



We all know Naruto's circle patterns on Bijuu Mode.



But what it clicked me is that guy asked me on my theory about Sakura's development being related to Hashirama, where do I think the rinnegan ripple pattern was inspired. And at first, I was like... what the rinnegan has to do with this, until literally a minute before asked you guys about it, I was browsing on DeviantArt and a colored manga panel of Madara with the rinnegan appeared to me and when I checked the manga, guess what I saw.

[look at red highlight]



I mean, all these are similar to this.



I know, I swear I know it's crazy but the designs are so similar. And with Nagato's rinnegan pattern is the same.



At first, like I said, why is he bringing Rinnegan in this and I didn't understood, but now I got it. The middle is the same pattern.

He left me some clues there but I don't understand anything, to be honest. I will have to google more about what he said to me, but... funny, a thing about the rinnegan:

It was said that in times when the world is in disorder, a person is sent down from the heavens to become either a "God of Creation" who

will calm the world, or a "Destroyer" who reduce everything to nothing.

What I also found about itŞ

The color of the rinnegan itself, is blue. A blue ripple pattern, like a rain drop falling into a pool of water, sending out waves. Pain comes from the Village of rain and is often associated with rain and water in many different pictures.

Rain comes from the heavens, it feeds the plants and gives new life.

We all know that Sakura was associated with Heaven back in Part one. And also, as we know, there are 6 paths and the sixth is the human one. Well, guess who is the character with the most developed human side in the manga said by Kishi himself? Yup, Sakura.

And this...

In Buddhism, the Human realm (also known as the "Manuṣya realm") is based on passion, desire, doubt, and pride. It is widely believed that the Human realm is the form of rebirth most likely to attain enlightenment, due to both the availability of information and teachers, and the ability to reason without falling victim to the obsessive aggression or carnal delights inherited by the higher planes.


And the comment of this guy:

People of the 4th chakra live in harmony with the world. Desires are no longer a problem because the energy of the 4th chakra is ballanced in all 6 directions. The life of such a person becomes an inspiration to others because they find peace and relief in his presence.

Six paths of pain, 4th chakra having in commen the desire, the human path said to be based on desire, Sakura's circle pattern match those of even rinnegan, more or less. Gaah, dunno. It's something there connecting that I can't see exactly.
And funny how the 7th path of Nagato had "Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique" that brought back the dead, being also called the circle of transmigration, Tsunade's technique which is a form of bringing 'the dead' back to life, The Sage's Banbutsu Sozo, Sozo Saisei, both meaning creation of life.
Gahh, dunno, it's a connection there that I can't seem to find.
Anyway, sorry for the rambling. I must've bored you anyway. ^^

this symbol is from the first sketch Sakura's symbol is an Open Circle and the colour is red, red not because of the point because there's no colour after all, her character's colour is red and/or pink, but much more red than pink.
Also the stuff of heaven and heart, Kyuubi basically became Naruto's heaven since she have more brains than Naruto and it's always shown giving adivices.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 April 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[Chatte]

this symbol is from the first sketch Sakura's symbol is an Open Circle and the colour is red, red not because of the point because there's no colour after all, her character's colour is red and/or pink, but much more red than pink.
Also the stuff of heaven and heart, Kyuubi basically became Naruto's heaven since she have more brains than Naruto and it's always shown giving adivices.

I know all that, I made it red because I was highlighting something, not because I say it's red. What I mean, is that, if you take those ricles off and only the first ones remain, the symbol is similar to Sakura's.
I wonder why that guy asked me about it at first, but then I understood, because of that similarity and what I was trying to do is search the connections for that drawing, rinnegan and everything else to see the common point.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I know all that, I made it red because I was highlighting something, not because I say it's red. What I mean, is that, if you take those ricles off and only the first ones remain, the symbol is similar to Sakura's.
I wonder why that guy asked me about it at first, but then I understood, because of that similarity and what I was trying to do is search the connections for that drawing, rinnegan and everything else to see the common point.

take/remove it's a kind of distortion, i belive it has nothing to do with Rinnegan, Sakura also has no kekkei genkai, if she comes up with a powerup it will be sage mode which can only be inherited by training, and she's most suitable for Sage mode because of her chakra control.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 April 2013 - 10:15 PM.