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[Otaru]

That may be the reason why they are inventing things while reading Kakashi's comment LOL...

[KeikoxYusuke]

It's hilarious how people had a certain expectation of SS having a moment and then it turns out it's the complete opposite of it.
 
The complete opposite.

Well, that would explain the butthurt they are feeling...^^;;

I can't seem to feel too bad for them, I mean ...it's a terrible ship, it didn't grow at all, she didn't really get to even get to know Sasuke, and that was mainly because he didn't want to open up to her. It was so painfully one-sided for years now...Naruto and Sakura are the ones that have development, Naruto unchanging feelings, and Sakura's changing feelings, it reminds me of that frozen movie I finally got around to watching...if little kids can get it, then what does that say about the IQ of the SS fans?

.....I feel mean for saying that...v.v

[Inferno180]

Regarding kakashis input, the one thing that is otherwise proven regardless of pairing preferences is that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed, they are obviously no longer like the idealism love she had for him in the start. No matter how it's argued this love has changed.

How much it has changed is a difference though, but for those who go by kakashis second statement of "you cannot find yourself able to wipe away/ cast aside the one you liked."

Now it's easy to see why some SS fans would claim this as "SS proof," that because sakura loves Sasuke so much, this would entail that she still loves him but this is utterly a contradictory statement:

The main purpose of kakashis focus part on sakura was, he noted how she changed from when he first met her to the current situation in regards to Sasuke. She still has feelings for him despite the attempted killings meaning sakura is very forgiving, aside from naruto she is most likely the only other one who will forgive him mainly because of narutos actions we can say, I say this because naruto is the one that gave her faith in resolution with Sasuke.

But the whole aspect of her "still loving Sasuke" despite the "change in feelings" it undermines and cancels itself out with this, as many SS fans have been going on saying "SS will come from this and sakura will never change" well isn't this a familiar arguement? You know the same kind they said that back in 631 narutos "joke" meant nothing and he had at some point apparently shifted to hinata? All pairing fans need to remember, the most obvious deal of this debating is all things equal assumption, if it can work for one in a nutshell, it applies to al, so if sakura really hasn't changed then naruto hasn't either as with hinata not changing either.

Back in the whole statement though, it's just contradictory because this infers that kakashis statement is wrong or that sakura has no character development. Either Kakashi has no idea what he thinking (now this is the logic SS and nh fans used on Yamato, minato, and others for the whole gf narusaku deal) or rather, despite the claim of changes sakura is still just loving Sasuke the same as ever meaning, she didn't change as a matter if fact,

Yet this isn't true, we know Sakura's feelings for Sasuke have changed and basically what was once an ideal love, the question now is, just what has that love changed too? If someone already loves one, a good thing to mention is then what emotional status could one have beyond love if love is otherwise the highest form of mutual and friendly expressionism? Most commonly people say the most you could be with someone is either loved or hated, pure opposites if the scale, sakura started out loving Sasuke so she was at this end, so where can she go if she is already at one end?

Nowhere but down, it's really a travisty that many many SS fans think this is some securing of their pairing, it isn't, it in no way just covers the wide gap of missed development and abstances for the pairing, it doesn't change sasukes view at all, it doesn't render her feelings with naruto somehow something less, it doesn't even do justice to the same chapter for the following Kakashi asking Sasuke his current goal.

Really I'm suprised so many forgot 635 so soon, sakura doesn't trust Sasuke, if anything that question from kakashis with her input, that's just her wanting to get a confirmation of sasukes real motives as what sai said only 40 chapters ago. Basically it's again a situation of fans looking at one thing and not the other which remains unanswered.

Just how much can Sakura's love change then? Is it for the better or worse is another thing people should ask. Now if it changed for the better does this mean she has some higher form of love for him? No the change for the better is her maturity, aka knowing the difference if ideal and real love and what she once had for Sasuke was ideal, really the answer lies in just simple character development, she cannot go and just regress rendering this trait the same and static, this would be a change for the worse, aka as in she learned nothing. But we know sakura has learned a lot in the story, she has changed her view of Sasuke and as noted by Kakashi, the feeling is different, if it's not what it once was, love then it's something else.

Sakura is human, obviously she wouldn't hate Sasuke because if naruto never did then it wouldn't be likely for Sakura too. Is sakura just to stay loving him when there's no obligation on sasukes end for it either? No. Really the only thing that needs to be argued for ns is character development, kakashis whole episode here is just another example of character development, changes came because if how the story moved. Naruto isn't an idiot, Sasuke isn't focused on the same revenge so how could people expect sakura to not change her feelings at this point despite kakashis former statement and the earlier detail of sais he cannot be trusted deal? The whole hidden agenda for Sasuke will be revealed in time,it's been thrown around for over a year now since the meeting with hashirama and the others.

SS isn't as ideal as it seems right now and well the counter arguement to this thought is simple, character development. Sakura still likes Sasuke, but it's more likely that SS ends in friendship, Sasuke isn't everything sakura thought him to be,shouldn't this alone make it an obvious reason to not just assume sakura will just stay in him? The guy still hasn't even apologized to her. Yes sakura cares for him but she can be willing to forgive him. If naruto couldn't bring himself to kill Sasuke, well obviously sakura cannot either as what happened in the land of iron but if anything it's because they both have mercy for their childhood friend.

I mean if sakura still loved Sasuke, this whole deal would be she feels the same about I'm regardless of issues,but there are issues present and she doesn't just go after him like a simpleton. Her feelings have changed and if anything it's most likely that her current feelings for him are not love. She cares for him but also mistrusts him as well. Kakashis statement is she cannot just go to hating him, she considers him still a friend capable of redemption like naruto has for the longest time and otherwise while naruto will solve this Sakura's own feelings have changed, that much is assured, so the obvious question of how much has her feelings changed? It has a simple answer, Sakura's feelings have changed to not love, not love being we don't know how much she currently cares for Sasuke but it cannot be love for simple character development reasons and it's most likely not going to go back there, we cannot have counter progress or regression, if sakura was to grow in the story and this is just part of it say one of her biggest traits slowly changing then isn't it possible for say, if this is just another moment in the long sequence if sakura breaking down her ideal love for Sasuke then shouldn't something otherwise be happening slowly on the other end with say, naruto? Her relation with him has gone nowhere but up and yet despite arguements from the fans, it's still rendered possible.

Really none of this addressed SS main issue in regards to lack of development and issues of character and story progression not to mention events even hinted her changing feelings like 540 and 635 while ns still not only having the lions share if development is also caught up with hints here and there, I mean 631 was one deal but 663 made it clear she supports his dream of hokage so at this point could these same people arguing for SS also expect sakura to support Sasuke in the fit for hokage? I highly doubt it, there's no way in hell even she would support him like that after going to the lengths to keep naruto alive for his dream.

SS is slowly breaking away by the simplest of all story factors, plot and character progression. Been doing that story a very very long time.

[Otaru]

IMO, no love can exists without trust.

 

Sakura doesn't trust Sasuke.

Edited by Otaru, 07 May 2014 - 06:03 PM.

[narusaku256]

IMO, no love can exists without trust.
 
Sakura doesn't trust Sasuke.

Much things said! Agree with this!

[Otaru]

I don't know but I wouldn't like being in Kishi's shoes right now.

I would be totally angry at fans because they misunderstand my story so much...

[Gojira]

I wonder if Himata is still face flat on the ground?

This chapter does beg the question when exactly she fell out of love with Sasuke

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I wonder if Himata is still face flat on the ground?

This chapter does beg the question when exactly she fell out of love with Sasuke

 

I don't think there is an exact moment, it was a progression.

[narusaku256]

 
I don't think there is an exact moment, it was a progression.

Which was given a much much higher momentum by the Kage Summit Arc

[tonga1]

after all this..what was the meaning of fodder ninja with the love letter?

[Hanabi]

^ i always thought it was just one of many hints ss is going down..

[Dalton.T.R]

I don't know but I wouldn't like being in Kishi's shoes right now.

I would be totally angry at fans because they misunderstand my story so much...

Well, you have to admit he's not really the best writer, either.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's hilarious how people had a certain expectation of SS having a moment and then it turns out it's the complete opposite of it.
 
The complete opposite.

Seriously, it keeps backfiring. Like damn, can they get one at least? Just once!

[FireFox]

Seriously, it keeps backfiring. Like damn, can they get one at least? Just once!

This is all your fault just so you know , its because you typed your mojo yesterday like i told you to do it nice job     .

 

BTW i can't believe the denial and lack of reading comprehension that is present in the forums god dammit that's sad i pray the raw comes out sooner so i can shove it in their face  .

 

It's hilarious how people had a certain expectation of SS having a moment and then it turns out it's the complete opposite of it.
 
The complete opposite.

Yeah to bad that they have already convinced them self that this is pro SS . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 07 May 2014 - 08:52 PM.

[luffyq1]

 

awww so cute

[FireFox]

 

awww so cute

Don't tell me that now they think that Sasuke was blushing in that panel   

[Gojira]

Saw a post someone made on NF about having the raw lines for the chapter and commenting about it

同じ好きでも　その思いは　別のものだ
"while it's the same love, the feeling/emotion/sense is different"

[六道仙人]

there're no raw around the web. that just would be a translation from eng to jap

[Gojira]

I figured as much.

[FireFox]

Oh so SS turned to the god all lets make a mistranslation so it would make it seem that SS is going to be canon *sigh* this fandom sickens me to no end  .