I'm concerned with Karin's character to some degree, not as much as Sakura's, but the fact that she was so eager to return to Sasuke's side, previous implications of uncertainty or not, bothered me somewhat. Of course if it's a choice between Karin or Sakura's development being tarnished then I'll easily pick the former. Sasuke is an impediment and the sooner we can remove that threat the better. It sounds petty but it's the lesser of two evils.

H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#17981
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:21 PM
I'm concerned with Karin's character to some degree, not as much as Sakura's, but the fact that she was so eager to return to Sasuke's side, previous implications of uncertainty or not, bothered me somewhat. Of course if it's a choice between Karin or Sakura's development being tarnished then I'll easily pick the former. Sasuke is an impediment and the sooner we can remove that threat the better. It sounds petty but it's the lesser of two evils.
#17982
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:21 PM

What is everyone's opinions about whether Sakura loves Naruto atm or not???
My answer: Yes but kind of sub consciously (no realized yet)
#17983
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:27 PM

What is everyone's opinions about whether Sakura loves Naruto atm or not???
My answer: Yes but kind of sub consciously (no realized yet)
She might hold uncertainty as to what her feelings are precisely. Sakura sees Hinata's "intimacy" with Naruto and it generates a subconscious reaction of sadness and jealousy; a defence mechanism, if you will. Her sentiments have been challenged through recent developments. What will happen next is dependent on how she will react to everything that has and will be occurring, the arrival of this "reformed" Sasuke being especially significant.
#17984
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:28 PM
Of course you'd choose Karin if it came between the two of them, because you ship NaruSaku. But that's exactly my point. I don't fault those who actually admit this but pretending that you genuinely like SasuKarin when that's an obvious lie is different. It's fake, and undermines the argument that we can point fingers at NaruHina/SasuSaku fans when we do the same, given the right opportunity.

What is everyone's opinions about whether Sakura loves Naruto atm or not???
My answer: Yes but kind of sub consciously (no realized yet)
From my perspective she's not in love with Naruto, but I do think it's possible for Kishimoto to change that.
#17985
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:36 PM
There was already a lengthly discussion in the previous weeks about what constitutes side shipping and to actually care about the dynamics of a pairing.
You don't have to like SK and it's fine if you want to criticize it all you want, but don't go accusing people about liking a pair just to get someone out of the way. If you only have a problem with a few people then I suppose is fine, but if you're actually generalizing that all SK fans like the pairing just to get Sasuke out of the way then you're being downright pathetic.
#17986
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:37 PM
Think about it... The genjutsu user with the wind user. Loved each other, had a child together, but didn't get to raise it. Something a la MinaKushi, only that here, only one of the parents died.
It feels like Naruto and Sakura will be the ones surpassing the previous generation.
I mean, look at this page:

We have them both on a cover when Naruto and Sakura along with the others get to Techi bridge... Coincidence much, again?
#17987
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:39 PM
You don't have to like SK and it's fine if you want to criticize it all you want, but don't go accusing people about liking a pair just to get someone out of the way. If you only have a problem with a few people then I suppose is fine, but if you're actually generalizing that all SK fans like the pairing just to get Sasuke out of the way then you're being downright pathetic.
Agreed. Though I don't like calling people names, it's true that you got to respect others even if you don't like it. I am part of this. I don't ship it but the idea behind it is good. It's just the way of handling things will make me think further.
@Chatte: I can't see the image.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 25 April 2013 - 09:40 PM.
#17988
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:40 PM
You don't have to like SK and it's fine if you want to criticize it all you want, but don't go accusing people about liking a pair just to get someone out of the way. If you only have a problem with a few people then I suppose is fine, but if you're actually generalizing that all SK fans like the pairing just to get Sasuke out of the way then you're being downright pathetic.
I said I've seen many who do so, not all. And I wasn't simply talking about this site either. Secondly at the bolded, aren't we doing the same to NaruHina/SasuSaku fans?
Don't really care about your opinion of me.
#17989
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:43 PM
The image matters or doesn't. The idea is that the concept with the genjutsu user and the wind user.

#17990
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:44 PM
From my perspective she's not in love with Naruto, but I do think it's possible for Kishimoto to change that.
But there is a big difference between sideshiping a character and bashing a character . I think that was the initial point , the NH and antiNS fans feel so threatened by Sakura that they bash her whenever they can , besides sideshipping her with whomever from Sasuke to Lee

#17991
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:45 PM
Well who do you believe has been able to remain alongside Sasuke whilst experiencing and understanding what he perceives the most? Sakura was only affiliated with him through their bond as members of the same team back during the first 80% or so of P1. Even less that was actually expended with them functioning and bonding as a team. The only arcs with any real development between their characters were the Land of Waves, Chunin Exams, and the Invasion of Konoha. Afterwards things became centred on Naruto exclusively and then we began to experience the downward spiral that is the SS relationship following what was perhaps their closest develop together.
Compare that to Karin who not only has known Sasuke for years whilst he was training with Orochimaru but also their time together as Taka and later Hebi which has persisted for over one hundred chapters now and I could perceive a more valid reason for Karin being with Sasuke than Sakura apart from personal bias due to their experiences together.
I never stated that I did. My point is that when juxtaposing the two relationships I feel that SK has more legitimacy to itself than SS does which is partially the reason why I stated that it is the lesser of two evils.
I will reiterate my statement of it only being a lesser of two evils. If Sasuke has to be with someone then I feel he would better off with Karin not just because of personal bias but for the reasons stated above.
#17992
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:48 PM
The image matters or doesn't. The idea is that the concept with the genjutsu user and the wind user.

I can't see still. No mangareaders please.

#17993
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:49 PM
-Mainly the thing we have no idea on what will happen is how others will act when Sasuke comes in, is he really back to being nice or is he just rough around the edges?
We need to see more with him, I mean he may have some loose ends with the Village he may need to consider, it can be an enemy of my enemy type thing for now but I would not expect him to just let go of all his hate I mean Naruto was a loving guy but still held some contempt for the villagers and had to overcome it. Madara or Obito could reopen his old wounds too. Its really given us no clue as to what to expect like will the whole group arrive at once? Maybe they will split up before arriving at the battlefield? Will they encounter the wounded kage? An encounter between Hashirama and Orchimaru towards a dying Tsunade?
-The ten tails still needs to mature, it just unleashed a weather-natural disaster technique so its going to mess up the alliance save our main heroes and cast, as peter griffin (as han solo) once said, "Yeah we have 3 or 4 of the main characters on this ship, I think we will be just fine."
-Kakashi and Obito is in a setting of its own, its the only thing we can see coming forward as of last chapter.
Only events we know are coming: Ten tails maturing, Sasuke and co coming to the battle, Kakashi vs. Obito, Hashirama vs. Madara (again), fate of Tsunade, Naruto meets up with Minato, the real reason for Kakashi killing Rin, and after a long series of events finally Naruto vs. Sasuke.
What may come: Naruto weakening, Sakura possibly helping Naruto, Tsunade's death, the 4 other kage returning, a powerup for Sakura?
It's just not only Sasuke's new attitude but also his group, how will others act and support them once they come to the field? Will Sasuke arrive later, let the kages go ahead and take his team for something else? There is so much that can happen its just again as I said, we are still in highly open waters and full of uncertainty. So much can happen I mean one thing that strikes me as strange is this: Kurama only had half his power sealed away, yet like all other chakra, he should also be following the chakra mechanics of the story, all chakra has frequencies, types, and can replenish itself in anyone merely by resting. Kurama should have been able to regenerate his missing half of chakra naturally even suppressed in Naruto. So if Minato's gift is half of Kurama's chakra, is it going to be an extra power boost to everyone? Will it put him at 150%? Or is Kurama really at just half power the whole time? It does not help when you have energy mechanics in a series like this and things can go off tagent with things made out of the stuff. I mean the tailed beasts are living masses of the stuff, not to mention they are flesh and blood too, how can they not regenerate their own energy even being made of the stuff in flesh?


No telling what will happen though but everything is green for the story and NS, just depends on what Sasuke does and others interact. If we are lucky maybe Karin will do us a favor.

New Sasuke can work, we just need to see more with him, hopefully it can take Tsunade, Naruto's own efforts, Sakura's own realization or even Sasuke himself to tell her to move on. Something to cause the shift and maturing over him and realize and accept Naruto, she can and she has proven she can be happy with him. Hell Minato can make a girlfriend joke or say Sakura reminds him of Kushina.
Everything is fine but the Sasuke stuff and this past chapter have literally made almost tens of thousands of ways you can see this going. Many can be good and many can be bad. Just hoping that whatever path this all goes keeps NS and the story on track, I mean remember Sakura can interact with new Sasuke long as she does not revert and still gets her proper development, long as it is okay to her character and does not do anything lazy like reverting her, making Sasuke in love with her or returning it to her, or making her return to Sasuke merely because she hoped for him, long as that negative trait (the ideal/selfish crush) of Sakura's does not suddenly become something important or a positive one, things can remain fine with her. Long as Sakura overcomes her ideal crush that is all that needs to happen with her, she can interact with new Sasuke, but long the aforementioned to not happen and she overcomes the crush and forgives Sasuke by means of Naruto or just chooses Naruto in the end, that is fine. She can even forgive him on her own, just don't do anything bad.
Simply put- Sakura can do a whole manner of things with new Sasuke, just no reverting and no placing Sasuke OOC, she can forgive him on her own choice or by Naruto but all she has to do is overcome the old crush and go to Naruto for full circle development, that is all Sakura needs to do. Its so simple and easy and all the elements for NaruSaku are still there. The story can proceed with NS happening in thousands of ways now. I have faith it will happen, just not sure how we will arrive there.
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#17994
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:49 PM
Well I'm glad you weren't just generalizing about everyone. That's what kinda angered me, so I'm glad it was my misconception. Sorry about that.
About the bolded, like you said not everyone is a side shipper. Some side ship, some don't. We call out that ones that do, but respect the ones that don't.
And I don't care that you don't care. So all is right with the world.

#17995
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

What is everyone's opinions about whether Sakura loves Naruto atm or not???
My answer: Yes but kind of sub consciously (no realized yet)
I think she does, however there are a couple things in the way:
-She knows Hinata loves Naruto

-Her feelings for Sas-gay

-Her confession to Naruto where he rejected her love because she lied about her feelings for sas-gay

So far she has put herself out there twice, once for Sasuke when he left the Leaf, and again for Naruto[albeit still conflicted.] I think it's a given that she will give up her feelings for Sasuke because he has never recriprocated them, has severed the bond between them, and most of all Kishi called these feelings Selfish. Now, the question is where do Naruto's feelings lie after he said that he hated people who lie to themselves?
Personally, I don't think they have changed. I still think that he loves Sakura unconditionally, especially after Hinata has made her big move twice now to no reaction from Naruto.
Either way, this one-sided irrational Love quadrangle has gone on for far too long and it's time to end it.
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#17996
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:52 PM
It would be a moment of inner conflict with herself, what she sees as ideal and what she truly feels. Basically for Sakura it would come to a point of choosing Naruto who she knows loves her or resume an uncertainty she once sought, as in she can choose to continue chasing Sasuke with his new attitude but she does not know where it will go. She could choose Sasuke and end up with nothing having known Naruto loved her. Basically she must choose between what she truly loves, Naruto or Sasuke based on knowing all Naruto does and feels for her and all what she thinks for towards Sasuke. This is a simple prediction that could fit her character. Definitely can come into play during the later fights and especially during the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight.
Edited by Inferno180, 25 April 2013 - 09:54 PM.
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Insulting a man’s ship, be worse than insulting his mother.
#17997
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:53 PM
-She knows Hinata loves Naruto

-Her feelings for Sas-gay

-Her confession to Naruto where he rejected her love because she lied about her feelings for sas-gay

So far she has put herself out there twice, once for Sasuke when he left the Leaf, and again for Naruto[albeit still conflicted.] I think it's a given that she will give up her feelings for Sasuke because he has never recriprocated them, has severed the bond between them, and most of all Kishi called these feelings Selfish. Now, the question is where do Naruto's feelings lie after he said that he hated people who lie to themselves?
Personally, I don't think they have changed. I still think that he loves Sakura unconditionally, especially after Hinata has made her big move twice now to no reaction from Naruto.
Either way, this one-sided irrational Love quadrangle has gone on for far too long and it's time to end it.
Strongly don't think he hates Sakura. That's just laughable.
#17998
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:54 PM
But, but but I believe SasuHina is cute, wish they knew each other better.

Yes I like SasuHina, KibaHina not much and love NejiHina mostly because of Rock Lee show, does Anyone has a problem?

Edited by Don-kun, 25 April 2013 - 09:55 PM.
#17999
Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:59 PM
Agreed, plus if Kishi had wanted to go down that route, then why didn't he have some big scene where Naruto thinks, "Oh I'll never have a shot, or she caused me all this pain."
After all Sasuke has done to Naruto, I really don't understand why people say Sakura is such a terrible person to Naruto. I've got no problem against people having their own opinions over certain characters but do I understand or agree with all of them? Nope
Edited by Shadow1275, 25 April 2013 - 10:21 PM.
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#18000
Posted 25 April 2013 - 10:08 PM
Precisely how I feel about that whole situation. I believe she does in fact have feelings for him given her response to seeing how Hinata and Naruto have interacted with one another. I've said this before but it feels like Sakura is in the same shoes as Naruto when it came to see and Sasuke. It's quite funny and telling at the same time. I'm a little anxious to see how she'll act when Sasuke does come back into the picture as a possible ally. Given what she and Naruto went through for him, and how much they've bonded over the coming months, one would think that this time, she'll be more mature like she has been around him. I personally can't see her falling into any fangirl mode, or such given how she's acted in his presence before in Part 2.
First encounter:
Sure, at first, she's met with sort of a shocked reaction but this is due to having not seen him in years. Same reaction was from Naruo also. She tries to attack him after to down him.
Second encounter:
She tries to attack him but she can't because of course, he's someone she cares about.
Possible reaction:
She may end up being somewhat surprised when he comes to the battle, but I don't see her getting all goggly eyed over him. I think we're gonna get her take on it, and then she's gonna wonder what's going on with Naruto and how he feels about his return. He may apologize, but I don't see her reaction being even close to Karin's. Like people have stated before, Karin is her own character.

Edited by StriderC, 25 April 2013 - 10:10 PM.

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