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[Quinny52]

^ While I think that none of the core cast will meet their ends (at the most, only go through NDE's) I've no doubt that possibly some of our favourite secondary and background characters sadly will not be around to see the end of this story. But that is what war is. Therefore, Naruto has no choice but to face the fact that he will not be able to save everyone from dying. It'll be difficult, but he must have faith in Nagato's advice and endure whatever hardships that may come his way. All great struggles demand sacrifice.

As for Sasuke --Click here to view--

While I know that there's a difference between Sasuke's redemption and his survival, I believe that in this case the two are intertwined. Most people believe that the only way Sasuke can redeem himself is through sacrificing his life, I'm not one of them. As much as it may seem like the only feasible option, no one good deed (however great) can make up for years of crimes and sins, and Sasuke's misdeeds are not the only issue; he's got to answer for the sins of his ENTIRE clan, generations of wrongdoings, mostly by Madara's hand. With this in mind, Sasuke's death will not wash all that away. By being spared death however, Sasuke can be given the opprtunity to restore his clan and work towards righting the mistakes and wrongdoings of his ancestors, remove the tarnish that stains the Uchiha name, and make the Uchiha into a clan that can once again be respected and admired. When Naruto defeats Sasuke (and we know he will), and punishes him in a way that will hurt Sasuke the most (as I've mentioned a few times in different threads), it will prove to Sasuke that by staying on his path of vengeance, Naruto will ALWAYS be there to stop him, and no matter how strong Sasuke gets, Naruto will ALWAYS be stronger, because he has to be. Naruto has the opprtunity to be the brother to Sasuke that Itachi wasn't permitted to be, the one who will bear all his anger and hate. It'll be hard and a slow process, with criticism from Naruto's peers on the decision to let him live, but from then on Sasuke will know that every day he lives will be a gift, and he will not waste what remains of his life. At the end of the day, this is a 16 y.o. boy claiming that he has no future to look forward to, and that quite frankly is a load of bull.

As for Naruto, as long as he knows that Sasuke is safe, is well, and is making the most of his life, then I believe that Naruto would be content with that. He doesn't have to see Sasuke, just to know that he is OK.

Edited by Quinny52, 22 November 2010 - 12:00 AM.

[Gravenimage]

If any secondary characters die in this arc well one of them sadly I hope I'm wrong it will be Hinata *hiding beneath a rock checking for any rabid Hinata and NH fans once the coast was clear I left the rock*

Why would I say that? I think it will happen when Neji fights his father Hizashi. Hinata will probably feel guilty blaming herself for getting captured by Kumo leading to Hizashi's sacrifice in taking his brother Hiashi's place, she might end up saving Neji taking a blow from him and she could die.

But I sadly believe it could happen, at least any characters that died and came back to life won't die in this arc. Meaning Gaara, Kakashi, Shizune won't die because they were revived when Pain attacked Konoha (Gaara was brought back to life by Chiyo) I doubt Kishi will have them kill again. Also Hinata didn't die when Pain blew her off with Shinra Tensei and stabbed her she was badly wounded but she didn't die not to mention that Sakura healed her, so she wasn't brought back by Pain.

It's a possibility Hinata could die during Neji/Hizashi fight but if this happens, then well all hell will break lose with the NH fandom it will be the apocalypse and Kishi's life will be in danger. In addition that they will start with the" NS became canon because Hinata died" topic.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 November 2010 - 01:19 PM.

[maliousdei]

curiosity question. in the event naruto does tells sakura that he was the one who told her the forehead comment, would it be possible that sakura would think naruto was playing with her feelings before and or feel a little betrayed?

[Toasty Warrior]

That's a good question since it's never been resolved since chapter three, but I think Sakura wouldn't feel betrayed by Naruto if he did explain to her that it was him, I'd definitely think it would make Sakura smile knowing that it was Naruto that said those things to her and not Sasuke so she could finally move on although she already has.

[merryGOflava]

I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't cheer Naruto on. He will be able to accomplish above and beyond what anyone else has been able to do. The point is though, that he won't be able to stop people from dying altogether. If he became just a perfect character, god-like, he wouldn't be Naruto anymore. And also, I think there is a difference between Naruto saving Sasuke and Sasuke living in the end. Saving Sasuke, at least to me, just means redeeming him at this point. He wants to take away Sasuke's hatred. Whether or not a redeemed Sasuke lives or not is something else entirely. I think by now Sasuke can't be redeemed in the eyes of the reader unless he makes a huge sacrifice. I think Sasuke's ultimate redemption would be sacrificing himself for Naruto's sake, the same thing Naruto has been willing to do this entire time. Even if Sasuke lives, I can't see him ever returning to Konoha. He might forgive them, but I can't see him ever supporting the village again.

yea thats basically what everyone expects. but who knows..i dont see naruto as a god-like character or sasuke wouldnt be a missing nin in the first place, but all im saying is theres still a chance that naruto can save sasuke and the village. just like obito, maybe sasuke will die. or maybe he will just continue to go crazy just like orochimaru. but who knows at this point....sasuke hasnt done anything to the village yet that would deem him unsavable. it seems like kishi is playing it safe with sasuke.

[Miss Soupy]

As for Sasuke --Click here to view--

While I know that there's a difference between Sasuke's redemption and his survival, I believe that in this case the two are intertwined. Most people believe that the only way Sasuke can redeem himself is through sacrificing his life, I'm not one of them. As much as it may seem like the only feasible option, no one good deed (however great) can make up for years of crimes and sins, and Sasuke's misdeeds are not the only issue; he's got to answer for the sins of his ENTIRE clan, generations of wrongdoings, mostly by Madara's hand. With this in mind, Sasuke's death will not wash all that away. By being spared death however, Sasuke can be given the opprtunity to restore his clan and work towards righting the mistakes and wrongdoings of his ancestors, remove the tarnish that stains the Uchiha name, and make the Uchiha into a clan that can once again be respected and admired. When Naruto defeats Sasuke (and we know he will), and punishes him in a way that will hurt Sasuke the most (as I've mentioned a few times in different threads), it will prove to Sasuke that by staying on his path of vengeance, Naruto will ALWAYS be there to stop him, and no matter how strong Sasuke gets, Naruto will ALWAYS be stronger, because he has to be. Naruto has the opprtunity to be the brother to Sasuke that Itachi wasn't permitted to be, the one who will bear all his anger and hate. It'll be hard and a slow process, with criticism from Naruto's peers on the decision to let him live, but from then on Sasuke will know that every day he lives will be a gift, and he will not waste what remains of his life. At the end of the day, this is a 16 y.o. boy claiming that he has no future to look forward to, and that quite frankly is a load of bull.

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I know what you are saying, and that also makes sense. But I am strongly against the Uchiha clan being revived. If there is one thing this manga is consistant about, it is that the Uchiha blood is completely over-powered and tainted with evil. I think the sharingan should die out with the rinnegan. I don't believe Sasuke merely being good will take that taint away. There have obviously been good Uchiha in the past (Obito, Itachi). That doesn't stop the clan from depending too much on its blood status and being driven by greed for power. Down the line that would just happen all over again due to the hax of their clan itself. Sasuke has to end the cycle of his clan himself to redeem said clan, and I believe in doing so he will lose his life. If Sasuke does live, at the very least he deserves to lose his sharingan and never reproduce

curiosity question. in the event naruto does tells sakura that he was the one who told her the forehead comment, would it be possible that sakura would think naruto was playing with her feelings before and or feel a little betrayed?

I think by now Sakura knows Naruto well enough that she would realize he meant it as a compliment. She might act slightly annoyed if he talked about it (for example calling it big before saying it was charming XD), but all in all I think she would feel happy about what he said. Especially since she was daydreaming about someone saying that to her~

[catsi563]

Especially since she was daydreaming about someone saying that to her~

That to me personally is the key to the whole sequence, and its inevitable confrontation. While she might be a little surprised and initially upset at the prospect of being tricked as well as having carried feelings for the wrong guy all this time, It will be small compared to the sheer amazement that Naruto the one who understood her the least as she thought, was able to all but read her mind and speak her dreams so eloquently and precisley.

That more then anything will count for her.

[Quinny52]

^ It would also settle any confused feelings Sakura may still have about Sasuke. She must be thinking to herself how/why Sasuke was so distant and cold to her, yet when she saw 'him' the first time at the bench he practically read her thoughts and, for a moment, brought her fantasy to life. I'm sure that is something that continues to bother her, and she can't understand. This also brings the Kushina parallel into the mix, both girls were complimented for the features that they've both admit they detested. The difference of course, is that the case with Kushina was pretty clean-cut, but with Sakura the fact that the boy who complimented her particular feature was posing as her crush, making things more complicated.

[crazyefra]

Just two questions, Has Naruto really resigned himself from his love to Sakura? Does Sakura act like a "big sister" to Naruto? or are they an excuse against NaruSaku?

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[Gravenimage]

Just two questions, Has Naruto really resigned himself from his love to Sakura? Does Sakura act like a "big sister" to Naruto? or are they an excuse against NaruSaku?

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Whoa Efra hold it buddy how can you say that?! Naruto hasn't given up on Sakura he loves her more than anything. If he hasn't given up on Sasuke then he's not going to give up on his love for Sakura. It will be very bad for Kishi to make him stop loving her to go to Hinata just like that, if he does then sadly he will be a bad writer because he has develop NS since he started writting his manga.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 November 2010 - 01:21 PM.

[crazyefra]

Well, I'm not saying he gave up on his love but "some" people are so adamant in saying that because for them Naruto has to be with you know who and Sakura has to be with you know who even if Kishi keeps saying he loves Sakura and showing Sakura's feeling for Naruto.

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[Gravenimage]

Well, I'm not saying he gave up on his love but "some" people are so adamant in saying that because for them Naruto has to be with you know who and Sakura has to be with you know who even if Kishi keeps saying he loves Sakura and showing Sakura's feeling for Naruto.

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True that is very true.

[alexander]

Whoa Efra hold it buddy how can you say that?! Naruto hasn't given up on Sakura he loves her more than anything. If he hasn't given up on Sasuke then he's not going to give on his love for Sakura. It will be very bad for Kishi to make him stop loving her to go to Hinata just like that, if he does then sadly he will be a bad writer because he has develop NS since he started writting his manga.

You know how it is Grave, with Naruto and Sakura without any development lately on the manga, and all this NH atention everywere, some people might start feel insecure about their favourite couple. I remember the time Hinata confessed in the manga (I wasn't an member yet), and when I visited the forum here, everyone was going insane, thinking Kishimoto gave up on Narusaku and sided on NH, wich didn't happened at all. Now is the same all over again, as long as Kishimoto don't give development to Naruto and Sakura ( wich I think will take an looong while to happen), some people around might start feeling doubtfull.

[Gravenimage]

You know how it is Grave, with Naruto and Sakura without any development lately on the manga, and all this NH atention everywere, some people might start feel insecure about their favourite couple. I remember the time Hinata confessed in the manga (I wasn't an member yet), and when I visited the forum here, everyone was going insane, thinking Kishimoto gave up on Narusaku and sided on NH, wich didn't happened at all. Now is the same all over again, as long as Kishimoto don't give development to Naruto and Sakura ( wich I think will take an looong while to happen), some people around might start feeling doubtfull.

What NH atention???

Because Pierot doesn't count they support NH and that's why they changed Hinata's confession turning into an episode dedicated and worshiped by her. The only thing missing from ep 166 was the flying hearts, rainbows and unicorns to make it more Disney corny.

Kishi however hasn't given any specifications or signs that Naruto has stop loving Sakura and has suddenly from out of nowhere fallen for Hinata.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 November 2010 - 01:30 PM.

[alexander]

What NH atention???

Because Pierot doesn't count they support NH and that's why they changed Hinata's confession turning into an episode dedicated and worshiped by her. The only thing missing from ep 166 was the flying hearts, rainbows and unicorns to make it more Disney corny.

Kishi however hasn't given any specifications or signs that Naruto has stop loving Sakura and has suddenly from out of nowhere fallen for Hinata.

Even if they don't count in the canon material, they still add a lot of fire to the fandom, and this is something that can't be denied. Remember that half of the NH fans appeared because of the anime fillers.

[Gravenimage]

Even if they don't count in the canon material, they still add a lot of fire to the fandom, and this is something that can't be denied. Remember that half of the NH fans appeared because of the anime fillers.

Right I forgot we should thank Pierot for that.

[alexander]

Right I forgot we should thank Pierot for that.

Don't forget to send some chocolate...... with explosives

[Gravenimage]

Don't forget to send some chocolate...... with explosives

That looks like something Daffy Duck would do to Bugs Bunny.

Edited by Gravenimage, 22 November 2010 - 02:01 PM.

[crazyefra]

I for one hate what yaoi fangirls/fanboys and Pierot have done to this wonderful series because really how can Naruto be gay for Sasuke when we all know that Naruto's friendship/rivalry with Sasuke is the same as Jiraiya's with Orochimaru. In other news is there a possibility that Kishi shows that Kabuto resurrected someone from Sakura's family (her father maybe?) who was once a good ninja (like all the ninjas resurrected) before he died and at last show a little bit of who her parents were/are.

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Edited by crazyefra, 22 November 2010 - 02:31 PM.

[Derock]

I for one hate what yaoi fangirls/fanboys and Pierot have done to this wonderful series because really how can Naruto be gay for Sasuke when we all know that Naruto's friendship/rivalry with Sasuke is the same as Jiraiya's with Orochimaru. In other news is there a possibility that Kishi shows that Kabuto resurrected someone from Sakura's family (her father maybe?) who was once a good ninja (like all the ninjas resurrected) before he died and at last show a little bit of who her parents were/are.

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Actually, you can only blame the yaoi fans because they are the ones who think like that, when we all know Naruto is a bit homophobic (proof is in both manga and anime). And I'm not sure why we are blaming the studio just because Naruto and Sasuke is on screen for one of the openings, we, the audience, most of the time concluded that the thing is gay but in a matter of fact, it showing an abstract of how their "bond" is heading... well in other words, more like heading toward enemy territory. As Kishimoto said in the "true" American interview about Part II, the theme about bonds is a very complicated subject, not to mention in Western culture, it almost a taboo category because of how the way we see it.