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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Well I think she thinks of Sasuke more as a friend/comrade now. She still has some lingering "crush" feelings, we can't deny it, but I think that her genuine love for Naruto will overweight them soon enough.

How on Earth can NS be asspulled with all the development they've got? 

All the development she got was for her to move on then she still doesnt move on dont you think it's not going to be asspulled?

Combining it all shows tha she should already moved on since when the alliance arrives, i felt that Naruto is overweighting Sasuke, and latest chapter showed this, she's not fangirling and Sasuke was almost being ignored, if wasnt the "Sasuke-kun" which was understandable but no pairing hints.

She talked with Naruto, she sought his acknowledgement and then said that they would fight back to back.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 June 2013 - 04:08 PM.

[Don-kun]

@ramenanmitsu

I also did not like the way she expressed her self about Sakura. It the bother me but I cannot force her to take that back even when I really wanted to tell her to take it back, after all opinions are just opinions, sadly those opinions tend to ignore true fact.

I don't get why NH needs a proper resolution it only happens when you want to see that everything that happened between Naruto and Hinata is some kind of pairing development that they so call of, do you want resolution, simply read the chapter where Naruto says that Hinata is strong, no feelings for her, Hinata loves Naruto ofc, but he doesn't feel the same way, and it's stated again and again, does he really need to talk with her just to say the obvious?

He give development to her and she was acknowledged that was her resolution and NH ended there, there's nothing that Hinata can do anymore, it's basically the same thing with Naruto, Naruto already did all the things and there's nothing left for him, it's up to Sakura and the fact that it's up only to her is that make her the romance subplot of this manga, when he said she was his gf, and when the parallel got settled on the manga, it's kinda obvious that he loves her and there's ground for this love, it's different than SS and NH, they do not have ground or any kind thing to hold their ground for.
Naruto is unable to retribute Hinata's feelings due to his genuine love for Sakura, and Sakura already show that she wants to retribute Naruto's feelings on the confession.

Just compare when Hinata made a confession to Naruto and when Sai told Sakura that Naruto loves her.

Naruto kept thinking about Hinata the same way he thought about her before her confession, with Sakura she started looking at Naruto differently this time as someome who can be her boyfriend.

 

Bolded : Wasnt what i was saying?

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men if I don't take every NS development as romantic hint, why would I take NH development has pairing hint when NH never included Naruto's consideration for NH and ignore Naruto's feelings for his teammate.

NH resolution consist in Naruto thanking Hinata for saving him (done) and expressing his romantic aspiration for someone else.

Hinata thank but no thanks is a good NH resolution not him calling Sakura his gf without addressing Hinata's confession and effort first. That's is resolution and good story telling, it shows characters growth and Authors dedication.

 

You know what's the most amusing part?

Every single week, a few days before chapter releases, people say: "Okay guys, don't worry... It's inevitable that Kishi will throw a SS interaction, you know this. Keep clam.". And a lot of people agree like "Yeah, we know... No problem. Nothing to worry about, etc.". Then let me ask you: if you know that Kishi will throw a few SS moments (not necessarily romantical!) why on Earth 80% of the fandom start panicking and sound the alarm?

 

Is not that I disagree with you completely since I also believe in NS, but acting like if we sure NS will happen is not good, only because Sakura might get over Sasuke doesn't mean NS is sure to happen Naruto or Sakura could not make it to the end, or the Manga could end with no pairing, Manga gives us a lot of NS hint, but we just need to believe in our pairing not act as if we sure NS would happen lets not get too cocky.

Anything can still happen, would it make sense? Absolutely not but Kishi can do what he wants by the end and we might just need to get over it and move on.

Edited by Don-kun, 01 June 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[Awes9]

i'll just put how i will react anyway, i'll get pissed off because after all that happened she still has feelings for him despite a lot of people and events telling her to move on and how her love for Sasuke is bad thing and also Sasuke himself and how she deserves someome better.
then i'll honestly think that for real that NS will become canon but asspulled or done poorly.
There's nothing that Naruto can say that will trigger Sakura loving him without being inconsistent.

I will give Kishu his chance and judge it in the end. I am one of those who believes he has been pretty consistent in the grand scheme altough he tends to forget some details, the big picture aside from pairings make sense. My only problem is chapter 615 because of the way Naruto gave up so easily, for the rest Kishi proved me wrong.

[Dkey]

 

Well I think she thinks of Sasuke more as a friend/comrade now. She still has some lingering "crush" feelings, we can't deny it, but I think that her genuine love for Naruto will overweight them soon enough.

How on Earth can NS be asspulled with all the development they've got? 

 

If anyone considers NS an asspull then they are denying but seriously however we wish the shipping wars to end and one of the pairings to become cannon the story isn't there yet. So patience and not freak out at any small detail.

[Akashi]

Oh I know. I got those out a long time ago. You may ask, "Well, what about last week?" Well don't blame me for Minato clearly direct ask about love. That's near impossible to dodge it. I explained enough and I know this place knows a lot. If mods from NF know this is a huge deal to the point they have to close all pairings threads, then we all should know.

Well I bet if you ask NARUTO readers who don't care about pairings at all (I bet there are some of them out there), they will confirm that Minato/Sakura/Naruto interaction was a solid NS moment. The people who try to deny it are definitely biased.

[Don-kun]

Actually, I'm sure a lot of people got annoyed with the bolded. I wrote a looooong post about how I was disappointed with Sasuke but it got ignored. If you were disappointed with Sasuke last chapter you should have replied to me 

 

And Naruto's hyperventilation,there was too much going on his shoulders, it's understandable that he would break. 

Never saw that post I be glad to read it.

[六道仙人]

You mean this?

 

 

 

Well, I know that we shouldn't talk about other pairings... I just went on tumblr and seeing accidentally SS tag about the chapter 632... Seeing how they twisted some things like Sasuke smirking to Sasuke as he wanted to say "That's my woman" or when Sakura blushed to him and saying that now SS is canon because Sasuke loves her since he was the first who have protected her, It's hilarious anyway...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

men if I don't take every NS development as romantic hint, why would I take NH development has pairing hint when NH never included Naruto's consideration for NH and ignore Naruto's feelings for his teammate.

NH resolution consist in Naruto thanking Hinata for saving him (done) and expressing his romantic aspiration for someone else.

Hinata thank but no thanks is a NH resolution with him calling Sakura his gf without addressing her confession first. That's is resolution and good story telling, it shows characters growth and Authors dedication.

You took as general expression if it was a normal manga with a normal theme ofc a resolution like that would be expected but it's a shonen where Naruto never has been a driven factor for romance, he states and etc... but the motor for that is Sakura is her that makes confession, states feelings and more.
Naruto and other males doesnt meddle with that, it's up to usually the girls and what happens get hinted, Naruto never gives romantic hints, and even when it was the time to give an answer if his views about Hinata changed like started looking her differently than a friend, didnt happened and that's which it gots a resolution, where Hinata said she would stop chasing him and plus getting her development afterwards and finish up her finnaly helping him, then it ended, and showed her development as a leader of her clan.
Then we came back to Naruto and Sakura where Naruto states again that he loves Sakura, and when we come back forwards we have Sakura being the motor of the romance sublplot where she started viewing Naruto as someome who could be her boyfriend and sought to start a romance with him.

Naruto never give hints towards that, and moreover Kishi continued giving more reasons to Naruto love Sakura and now the resolution for NH happened.

 

Then i end up with a famous sentence, NH already gave what it had to give

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 01 June 2013 - 04:16 PM.

[Akashi]

All the development she got was for her to move on then she still doesnt move on dont you think it's not going to be asspulled?

Combining it all shows tha she should already moved on since when the alliance arrives, i felt that Naruto is overweighting Sasuke, and latest chapter showed this, she's not fangirling and Sasuke was almost being ignored, if wasnt the "Sasuke-kun" which was understandable but no pairing hints.

She talked with Naruto, she sought his acknowledgement and then said that they would fight back to back.

To have a lingering feelings (like memories from the past) doesn't mean that person didn't move on. In fact, people never forget their first crush. Neither Sakura, nor Naruto can't pretend that Sasuke didn't exist in the first place. All the SS interactions in the manga (pairing-wise) have been there to show the negativity of crushes based on nothing, and NS is to show the reader what true love is. The negative "love" will be overweighted  by true love soon enough.

Is not that I disagree with you completely since I also believe in NS, but acting like if we sure NS will happen is not good, only because Sakura might get over Sasuke doesn't mean NS is sure to happen Naruto or Sakura could not make it to the end, or the Manga could end with no pairing, Manga gives us a lot of NS hint, but we just need to believe in our pairing not act as if we sure NS would happen lets not get too cocky.

I never said that NS is 100% officially canon already. The point of my post was that people often can't see the wood for the trees. And they tend to jump to conclusions quite often. And sadly, they're quick to panic over nothing.

Edited by Tauriel, 01 June 2013 - 04:22 PM.

[Chatte]

I think the forum is not optimized for Google Chrome... I can't view threads properly. :|

[Don-kun]

@Chatte

I have no problem with that browser but fire fox works fine.

 

@Tauriel

I never said that your or other post were indicating that NS is 100% canon I said your post indicate that regardless of what happen with SS NS would be the end pairing.

I believe NS is the most logical pairing, it has the most hint, parallels, if the theme is linked to the main character them the theme also help the main character and most of the Narutoverse seems to like the idea of NS, Village 450, Jiraiya, Tsunade hospital scene, Kakashi, Sai, Yamato etc, so that allows me to read the Manga with positive expectation.

 

But others are saying don't worry SS will get some resolution and they might even be some moment where the pairing might look cannon but in the end it would be NS so we should not worry is all part of Kishi's game to keep the tension.

 

Compere this, with these hint NS might possible be the pairing of Kishi's choice vs don't worry SS is bond to have some moment but NS would be the end pairing.

Tell me with one seems too sure NS will happen?

Edited by Don-kun, 01 June 2013 - 04:50 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well I bet if you ask NARUTO readers who don't care about pairings at all (I bet there are some of them out there), they will confirm that Minato/Sakura/Naruto interaction was a solid NS moment. The people who try to deny it are definitely biased.

Actually, many of them acknowledge that NS is the end pairing. Some were a bit confused that NH was going to be the one after 615, though again, confused. They didn't bother because love is not their thing, which I don't blame them. We do have one that is hardcore of Naruto and he knows NS has been endgame. In fact, he's one of the few that took the opposite effect of 615. He's a pairing fan, but after talking to him, he's a fan first, and a paring second, but far apart from first.

[Akashi]

@Chatte

I have no problem with that browser but fire fox works fine.

 

@Tauriel

I never said that your on other post are indicating that NS is 100% canon I said your post indicate that regardless of what happen with SS NS would be the end pairing.

I believe NS is the most logical pairing, it has the most hint, parallels, if the theme is linked to the main character them the theme also help the main character and most of the Narutoverse seems to like the idea of NS, Village 450, Jiraiya, Tsunade hospital scene, Kakashi, Sai, Yamato etc, so that allows me to read the Manga with positive expectation.

 

But others are saying don't worry SS will get some resolution and they might even be some moment where the pairing might be cannot but in the end it would be NS so we should not worry is all part of Kishi's game to keep the tension.

 

Compere this, with these hint NS might possible be the pairing of Kishi's choice vs don't worry SS is bond to have some moment but NS would be the end pairing.

Tell me with one seems too sure NS will happen?

I guess you misunderstood me.
I'll try to make it clear once again: I don't claim that NS is an endgame, I just try to explain people that we shouldn't freak out every time there are some SS or NH panels. Fandom tries to find romantic subplot in almost every SS or NH interaction, even if there's none. It's all about using logic, and being rational.

Edited by Tauriel, 01 June 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[HauntedCake]

@Rikudou: she was mostly talking to Naruto even ignoring (thou Sasukes comment brings back to the old team 7 days) Sasuke. Lets stop analyzing every bit of detail in those panels and wait to see the bigger picture.


As for romance being 90% of her character I disagree. If anything 50%. She became stronger not only because of Naruto but also Sasuke.

As for goals she refuses to let Naruto shoulder all the burden (#573) and we can all blush and squell about it being romantic but it's not only romantic.

 

Yeah i was a little silly saying 90%, but a reasonable portion of her character development is romanced based

 

i'll just put how i will react anyway, i'll get pissed off because after all that happened she still has feelings for him despite a lot of people and events telling her to move on and how her love for Sasuke is bad thing and also Sasuke himself and how she deserves someome better.
then i'll honestly think that for real that NS will become canon but asspulled or done poorly.

There's nothing that Naruto can say that will trigger Sakura loving him without being inconsistent.

Bolded: hmmm, can't agree with you there, could you elaborate?

[Sojobo]

I think the forum is not optimized for Google Chrome... I can't view threads properly. :|

Yup same here. I went to firefox

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yup same here. I went to firefox

I use Chrome and it's fine here :)

[T XD]

NS isn't officially canon, but it's on its way. NS having only this huge development between the two characters is enough without other developments or parallels or the other things.

 

Sure Kishi can not make any pairing at the end, but after all this with NS... I don't think so.

[Phantom_999]

 

Well I think she thinks of Sasuke more as a friend/comrade now. She still has some lingering "crush" feelings, we can't deny it, but I think that her genuine love for Naruto will overweight them soon enough.

How on Earth can NS be asspulled with all the development they've got? 

 

It's not. But as I thought other sites are calling pairing backlash just cause she Shouted "Sasuke-kun!!" when he saved her. That is what pisses me off. They do have  valid point though. Right now there hasn't been and completely visible relationship upgrade from Naruto and Sakura to make many see otherwise. though I'll be honest seeing other sites being biased towards NH or SS or being neutral about it is kind off discouraging. Not saying I agree with them but it'd be nice that they acknowledge Sakura feels "something" for Naruto. For instance Tvtropes Is stating that Sakura is a love Matyr to Sasuke and really does not say much about how she feels about Naruto accept that she is kinder and closer to him as a friend. I'm really not satisfied with that. plus they said That interview that many anguish over about Sakura loving Sasuke though Naruto is close is valid and that Sakura was not meaning her confession when she said it. Again the credibility of that translation must be taken into account. though they are good researchers apparently so I can't imagine the source as unreliable. But anyways I'm not complaining really. I would just like for every one to not make it seem Naruto has no chance with Sakura or that she is only platonic with him. As long as that happens I' will be fine With NS not happening. Not saying I'll like it , but I would be accepting of it if at least Kishimoto can make it vivid that they COULD happen. Though I stick by the huge possibility that NS is in fact his intention. I say possibility because it is not a guarantee, since we can't read his mind , and despite the many hints he's shown us, there is something to cause doubt later when something opposing NS shows up and he''s not spoiling anything.

Edited by Phantom_999, 01 June 2013 - 05:42 PM.

[Akashi]

It's not. But as I thought other sites are calling pairing backlash just cause she Shouted "Sasuke-kun!!" when he saved her. That is what pisses me off. They do have  valid point though. Right now there hasn't been and completely visible relationship upgrade from Naruto and Sakura to make many see otherwise.    

Well, to be more precise it was a NaruSasu combo rescue. She called Sasuke's name because he landed next to her first.

[Don-kun]

I guess you misunderstood me.
I'll try to make it clear once again: I don't claim that NS is an endgame, I just try to explain people that we shouldn't freak out every time there are some SS or NH panels. Fandom tries to find romantic subplot in almost every SS or NH interaction, even if there's none. It's all about using logic, and being rational.

I usually don't point out something I don't see in someones post but if you saying that you didn't meant it that way the I'm really sorry.

 

 

Yeah i was a little silly saying 90%, but a reasonable portion of her character development is romanced based

 

Bolded: hmmm, can't agree with you there, could you elaborate?

I can't agree with you and worst with what he said, in fans eyes it might seems that they only care with boys Sakura will end with in the end, but there is a lot more about Sakura that want people want to accept, like for example even when it's just a filler Sakura stoking an apple in Naruto's mouth was very funny, there is many aspect of Sakura character, like her compassion, her medical skills evolution, Inner Sakura, her care for others, her care for her teammates, her desire to not be a hindrance to her teammates, her desire to be stronger, her interaction with Ino, her funny moment etc, sadly some just focus on who she would end up with plus the laud fans also help deviate that aspect of her character from others who try to enjoy everything about her character.

Hinata character is so heavily revolve around her feeling so there is no discussion who she likes, in Sakura's case if her Romantic feelings were the focus of her character it would be obvious who she wants to be with, her character was about 20% 25% focus on her feelings and is mostly because of part 1.

 

 

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Edited by Don-kun, 01 June 2013 - 05:45 PM.