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[Dreamer]

I agree that Danzou's rein will be short lived. To many factors that indicate that it will be.

1. Naruto learned about Danzou corrupt past through pain.

2. The people of Konoha want either Kakashi or Naruto as the next Hokage.

3. If no one else has stopped Danzou Sasuke will for sure.

Maybe that will be a chance for Sakura to see Sasuke's true dark side for the first time. The last mystery is both Danzou and Madara have one eye covered while seeing through the other. I don't know why but i think Naruto still has a chance of becoming Hokage. (Otherwise Cosplay making a Naruto as 6th Hokage Cloak would be a disappointment and also the other Naruto Rokudaime fan pics.) I can see Danzou walking outside were everyone is and Naruto standing up high at the opposite end of the crowd telling everyone about Danzou the traitor and his past, I wonder how long he'll live then.

I ultimately believe a part 3 time skip is needed for further plot development for Naruto to get strong enough to take on Madara and for Konoha to be rebuilt.

Edited by 6thHokage, 06 June 2009 - 03:16 AM.

[tosakuai]

I too noticed that Danzo's covered eye matches the Sharingan of Madara's.

Call me a romantic, but I just hope we get a little NaruSaku action before Sasuke ruins it by showing up.

[Prime]

I agree that Danzou's rein will be short lived. To many factors that indicate that it will be.

1. Naruto learned about Danzou corrupt past through pain.

2. The people of Konoha want either Kakashi or Naruto as the next Hokage.

3. If no one else has stopped Danzou Sasuke will for sure.

Maybe that will be a chance for Sakura to see Sasuke's true dark side for the first time. The last mystery is both Danzou and Madara have one eye covered while seeing through the other. I don't know why but i think Naruto still has a chance of becoming Hokage. (Otherwise Cosplay making a Naruto as 6th Hokage Cloak would be a disappointment and also the other Naruto Rokudaime fan pics.) I can see Danzou walking outside were everyone is and Naruto standing up high at the opposite end of the crowd telling everyone about Danzou the traitor and his past, I wonder how long he'll live then.

I ultimately believe a part 3 time skip is needed for further plot development for Naruto to get strong enough to take on Madara and for Konoha to be rebuilt.

Well of course he will eventually become the Hokage anyways but does the series end when he does. It's like i want to see all the major stuff of the story happen but when it does the story will most likely end and that's not cool. Unless of course they begin to focus on other people or more rivals continue to come. I just don't like not knowing the idea of what happenes once he becomes Hokage/Sasuke comes back to Konoha or dies/He gets the girl i guess?

Also when the other time skip happened did they wait a few weeks before they started to release episodes/manga again or how did that work?

Edited by Prime, 06 June 2009 - 03:25 AM.

[Freakazoid]

I just hate all this "can't wait for Sasuke to kill Danzo" stuff. I mean, come on! He is heading to the village for his own selfish reasons, and if he kills Danzo it will be for those reasons. I just don't want to see everyone go crazy over Sasuke if he does indeed kill him.

[Paradox Jast]

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[elmonoloco]

Guys look over this discussion I had with some kid on the Narutocentral forums and tell me if you think my points are valid.

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If by accepting it you mean " a hug is no big deal " then yes, its ridiculous to believe in anyway shape or form that Hinata is just going to forget about what happened and what she did and how she feels about Naruto. Come on, she took a ST for the kid, as well as expecting Naruto to simply brush it off.

If I recall correctly wasn't it Sakura who also did the running recklessly into danger stunt when he turned 4 tails ?


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As for Dev in part 2, Sakura has the Yamato comment and now this hug, which people will interpret as they see fit.

Hinata has her confession, but that opens the door for a ton of new dev.

I'm pretty sure that there has been more than just those two scenarios when it comes to people wondering what exactly are Sakura's feelings towards Naruto.


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The ball is in Naruto's court now just like it was in Sasuke's when Sakura confessed to him. I've explained before the parameters/criterias i used to back NH happening in the future based on other stories in which confessions are made/used etc.

Well as far as confessions go it really has little impact on a relationship if one person isn't intrested the progressing it into a romantic level. So while Naruto may like Hinata as a person and as a fellow nin, we have yet to find out what his feelings are as far as the confession goes, and he isn't obligated either to return those feelings, and i'm sure Hinata would understand that aswell.

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As for why i Like NH more than NS, well i don't like Sakura's character and im not shy about letting people know that. However my way of thinking goes deeper that that.

And thats how you get biased remarks and opinions. In my opinion while I do prefer NS over NH, It doesn't lead me to hate Hinata, actually I feel that if NH were to happen that it would be cute and I'm sure Hinata would treat Naruto well, and vise versa.


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First of all, both pairings are cliche.

NH- Shy girl gets the guy she loves at the end
NS- Girl couldn't careless about the guy in the beginning but now that hes respected she likes him.

To me the deciding factor is the fairness issue. Hinata loved Naruto for what he was, is and will be. She was pretty much the only girl not to drool all over Sasuke which is a plus, but she was too shy to say anything to Naruto face to face. There were a few moments though:

While I may agree on your opinion that NH is a cliche, I respectfully disagree as far as NS. Because she did care for him at the very least as a friend and a team mate for most of part one after the beginning and slowly their relationship (regardless of how far and deep it is) has grown. She was one of the earlier people to accept him.

As far as Hinata loving Naruto goes at least in part 1, you cant say she did. She rarely had any opportunity to speak to him and get to actually know him. Yes she had a crush on him, yes she had a deep admiration and respect for him, but love ? I dont believe so.


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Giving him the medicine, him cheering her on against Neji and when they had a little chat before the Chunin exam finals. Now in p2 she finally confessed, in a big dramatic way. So for her to receed into obscurity with nothing to show for it would be a huge slap in the face for the fans, and i know Kishi won't do that because from a writers pov it makes no sense.

I agree that Naruto Aknowledged her excistence and saw her as a pretty cool girl during that moment in the chunin exames, I also agree that now the she has confessed her love that it does open many potential scenarios for the two of them to develop their relationship wether it be friendly or intimate. But for you to say that Kishi is obligated to put them together for the fans is sorta silly, and though I do not believe that she will become obscure, I also do not believe that it would mess up the story if they dont get together, because I feel that Hinata's character was made to show how Naruto can make people believe in them selves, and now later on in the story she's a character used to show the growth a person gains when you exert your self and face some of your fears. Saying that she was made for the sole purpose of ending up with Naruto makes her look like she has no self worth.[/QUOTE]
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Now i know people will say " But Naruto has always loved Sakura ". No where in the series has he ever used the word love to describe his feeling for Sakura, its a crush ( a long standing one ). Sakura and Sasuke were the first people Naruto trully bonded with because they were placed in the same team therefore forced to interact with eachother in some way, meaning Sakura is the only girl Naruto has ever had the chance to spend time with.

In the beginning it wasn't love, but it was a deep crush. He doesn't even realize it until he turns into Sasuke and hears her explanation as far as wanting to be aknowledged by Sasuke. You are right that Sakura is the only girl that he has been given the chance to bond with but because of that they both managed to grow with one another and they are really close because of it, its probably the reason why we're having this discussion at all.

Due to this opportunity of them both being on the same team has allowed Naruto unintentionally to have Sakura at the very least admire him deeply as opposed to just think he was annoying way back in the start of the manga.


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So if Naruto was to reject Hinata the confession becomes a meaningless plot tool and a shameful one at that because Kishi could've had the Kyubi bust out for Naruto's sake alone with no other insentives thus leading to his chat with Minato.

Um, honestly, I feel if anyone who was realitively close to him were to jump in to save them and get almost killed after would have caused him the unleash the Kyubii even without a confession. Thats just how Naruto is.


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Also this opens the door for great Dev between NaruHina in the form of Role reversal. Naruto becomes the one who struggles to express the way he feels as they dev while Hinata gains more confidence.

I wont argue with that, I do agree that it does open up a door for development for the two, and honestly I do want to see where it leads. That's only if Naruto feels the need to return the feelings back to Hinata though.

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Now why i don't like NS.

Sakura loved Sasuke first and tossed Naruto aside like an old rag like the rest of the village. Now that hes a respected shinobi and she knows what a sh*tty life he had she'll come around ??

Thats kinda f**cked up. I don't think its fair for Naruto's character because it would make him her second choice, he would have to fill Sasuke's shoes which is Lame.

Um, no. The only real time that she's tossed him aside and treated him like crap was way back in the beginining and that was only because she found him annoying due to his pranks and way of acting. It's not like she hated him for being the 9 tail beast, because she didn't even know about it. Like I said earlier, she was actually one of the first people to actually aknowledge him due to the fact that he opened her eyes because they are teammates. She didn't decide just now to start liking him, she's liked him as a friend at the least almost since the start.

And as far as Sasuke goes, he wouldn't be filling in his shoes. Haven't you taken into consideration that maybe, just maybe Sakura may not feel the same for Sasuke anymore, and now she has been slowly getting over him, even if she doesn't realize it ? What she has been realizing is that Naruto is always there for her, always by her side, and thats why NS I feel is great, because it started out under circumstance in which you would think that it wouldn't happen, to now that they are embracing one another and are as close as you can be before crossing that line of being in an intamate relationship. We just have to see what the future has in store for both of them.

[Paradox Jast]

I'm too tired to go into too much detail, but they all look valid to me.

Though your post probably should have been put in another forum, and not on this thread, since the above discussion really doesn't pertain to the current chapter. (Well, 90% of it.)

[Onionhead Attacks]

I'm too tired to go into too much detail, but they all look valid to me.

Though your post probably should have been put in another forum, and not on this thread, since the above discussion really doesn't pertain to the current chapter. (Well, 90% of it.)

Yep. It should probably go in the debate thread that's pinned up somewhere since like PJ said, it's not really that relevant to this chapter.

[BlackLightning]

here's another point(s?) that you may want to put into your argument about Hinata "loving" Naruto:

At part one of the series, Hinata sees Naruto as the "perfect" type of person that she want to be AKA an idol. does she loved him as himself? maybe but so far there has been no mentioning about it, all that we know that she admired Naruto for his determination to never give up. There's a fine line between love and hero worship, you cannot claim that you love someone without truly knowing them first and Hinata NEVER strikes any form of communication with Naruto for any more than a few sentences and even those are few and far in between so how the hell should she know anything about him in the first place?

Part two (Hinata's confession): Just because Hinata does a dramatic confession does NOT mean that Naruto have to reciprocate with her. Is there a possibility for it to happen? absolutely but will it happen? I'll say the chance is pretty slim considering that theres hardly any appearance of Hinata in the series much less any interaction with Naruto. In short, there will be little to no basis of their relationship unless you call Hero Worship and "Oh, she's cute, I kinda remember her during my genin days. She's always fainted when talking with me." as one

[Shadowmoon~]

yeah that what I have noticed too. I doubt her parents are Anbu but just low level ninja. I also think her parents own a bakery if memory severe me right she was delivering bread in a filler episode.

I'm too tired to go into detail since I read this topic for almost 1 hour, so please, just check this out.

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Danzo = Tobi = Madara?

Whoever listed that theory earlier, I'm starting to believe it. Tobi had "another matter" to attend to...

I also thought of that, when I read/saw that panel! That theory is now sounding real to me every minute I read this topic.

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Also, quoting elmonoloco's post would be insanely long, so I would just state my opinion.

That guy is really determined to prove that the NaruSaku hug is worth nothing, that it kinda pissed me off. I will not rant about that, so I will just say that the points you brought up is valid, trust me. It would be better to post this in another thread, since this focuses on the pairing debates; it just included the Chapter 450 hug. Sorry.

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Back to the life of the party.

Yey! :A NaruSaku hug! Little by little, the couple is developing ever so gracefully slow. But, otherwise, I'm just happy that this happened! Nicely done, Sakura! I'm so proud of you.

And, the villagers' celebration of Naruto's greatness brought tears to my eyes. I felt like shouting 'Finally!' in that panel since I knew that Naruto's goal was finally achieved! Hurrah for Naruto's macho-ness! I'm so happy, yet again!

Hinata's face looked like she accepted this all! Maybe she's just genuinely happy that Naruto was back safe, and is being HUGGED by the girl he loved so much. Maybe she'll think about giving him up, and open her eyes that someone else loves her as well. (Kiba) :teehee: What a look of pure modesty.

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Lights off. Darkness.

Why did the Fire Daimyo agree to pick Kakashi, then pick Danzou next! Evil. Just because a few angry words changed his mind, it won't change mind! Really weak, dude. Eat some protein.

Can't wait for the next chapter!

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[AchikaMiyu]

I just hate all this "can't wait for Sasuke to kill Danzo" stuff. I mean, come on! He is heading to the village for his own selfish reasons, and if he kills Danzo it will be for those reasons. I just don't want to see everyone go crazy over Sasuke if he does indeed kill him.

I agree that it would be a really one-dimensional for everyone in Konoha to "accept" Sasuke again if he does have his way and kills off the 6th Hokage (Danzo) and the council members. But you have to admit, it would be like killing off poison with another poison. Why waste good resources on taking out your opponent when some other opponent can take them out for you? Kind of like how Orochimaru (or at least part of him) was taken out by Sasuke.

One thing that I'm wondering is if Tobi/Madara is going to find Kabutomaru and ask him to be the pawn to take over the Gedo Mazu. I don't think Sasuke ever took Orochimaru's Akatsuki ring or even knows about it. We do know what Kabuto knew about it. Kabuto is such a wild card right now it'll be interested to see what role he plays.

[Shadowmoon~]

One thing that I'm wondering is if Tobi/Madara is going to find Kabutomaru and ask him to be the pawn to take over the Gedo Mazu. I don't think Sasuke ever took Orochimaru's Akatsuki ring or even knows about it. We do know what Kabuto knew about it. Kabuto is such a wild card right now it'll be interested to see what role he plays.

Yeah, that is really a big twist! Imagine, the Orochimaru-Kabuto-Madara-Kisame-Zetsu-Akatsuki alliance will really pose a threat, especially with Danzo probably working with them. Awesome!

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[Dreamer]

name='Shadowmoon-Sakura' date='Jun 6 2009, 08:21 AM' post='226383']
Yeah, that is really a big twist! Imagine, the Orochimaru-Kabuto-Madara-Kisame-Zetsu-Akatsuki alliance will really pose a threat, especially with Danzo probably working with them. Awesome!

I thought Orochimaru was a former member of Akatsuki, I remember him having the ring in his hideout cave on part 1.

About the debate that was posted earlier, the NH fan you were talking to doesn't understand that Sakura was a child back then and was just obsessed over Sasuke's looks and just being a Uchiha. What I'm trying to say is Sakura didn't know the meaning of true love was back in part 1. I've seen Naruto do so many brave acts out of love for Sakura in part 1 and 2.

Anyways now that's over with i do wonder who else possesses Rinnegan to control Gedo Mazu. I hope Kishi finds some way of putting Naruto's mother Kushina back in to the manga and also his father again.

Danzou and Madara both look through one eye while the other is covered, (maybe Madara implanted his eye into Danzou just a thought.)

Edited by 6thHokage, 06 June 2009 - 02:31 PM.

[ciardha]

After that long wait i feel better now. Does it seem like the Hinata smile thing = she assumes Sakura loves Naruto and she accepts it? Or does everyone assume she is just happy because Naruto is home? Great chapter either way.

Note Hinata and Lee are the most prominent in the panels right below Sakura embracing Naruto so romantically. I think that pretty much confirms what I thought all along, Hinata's confession chapter to Naruto=Lee's confession arc to Sakura. Too many parallels- comes out of the blue, Naruto and Sakura's reactions were both= WTH?, soon after (immediately in Hinata's case, in the Forest of Death in Lee's case) Hinata and Lee were hurt (but healed without difficulty) and briefly knocked unconscious defending Naruto and Sakura. Sakura acknowledges in her thoughts that Lee's actions were because he loves her, and Naruto thinks about Hinata being hurt. There's no scene afterward where Sakura ever says anything to Lee about his feelings for her, much less her dating him. What happens is it creates a friendship bond in Sakura toward Lee. When he is much more severely injured during the fight with Gaara she visits while he is unconscious and leaves a flower for him.

Also note how in this chapter Kishimoto outright mocks the whole confession thing with Omoi's and Karui's conversation. He's made it obvious in his manga that confession equal= doom for any chance of a relationship. ( Obito to Rin, Rin to Kakashi, even Jiraiya's and Tsunade's dance around a mutual confession= doom) The relationships where couples actually got together in Naruto had no confession scenes. They had what narusaku has had- Other people talking about it before it's shown or confirmed in some way. (Tsunade and Dan, Shikaku and Yoshino, Asuma and Kurenai, Minato and Kushina) Following that pattern it looks like the pretty much confirmed couples are: Narusaku and Shikatem, likely couples: Sasukar and Chouino. Kibahina hasn't had the others talk about it yet, but Kiba and Hinata have both shown hints of feelings for the other, so preliminaries are there. With Hinata's smiling reaction to Sakura's romantic embrace of Naruto, and the mocking of confessions in this chapter, I have a feeling it won't be long before someone else does note how close Hinata and Kiba are...

Edited by ciardha, 06 June 2009 - 02:36 PM.

[Dreamer]

ciardha Posted Today, 09:30 AM
Also note how in this chapter Kishimoto outright mocks the whole confession thing with Omoi's and Karui's conversation. He's made it obvious in his manga that confession equal= doom for any chance of a relationship. ( Obito to Rin, Rin to Kakashi, even Jiraiya's and Tsunade's dance around a mutual confession= doom) The relationships where couples actually got together in Naruto had no confession scenes. They had what narusaku has had- Other people talking about it before it's shown or confirmed in some way. (Tsunade and Dan, Shikaku and Yoshino, Asuma and Kurenai, Minato and Kushina) Following that pattern it looks like the pretty much confirmed couples are: Narusaku and Shikatem, likely couples: Sasukar and Chouino. Kibahina hasn't had the others talk about it yet, but Kiba and Hinata have both shown hints of feelings for the other, so preliminaries are there. With Hinata's smiling reaction to Sakura's romantic embrace of Naruto, and the mocking of confessions in this chapter, I have a feeling it won't be long before someone else does note how close Hinata and Kiba are..

I totally agree with ya.

Edited by 6thHokage, 06 June 2009 - 02:43 PM.

[Freakazoid]

Great theory there! Love it.

[ciardha]

hmmm the context of that post may have been misunderstood...my fault...i did not not expect him to be shocked, it was a different point all together but moot as of now.... Yay hugs!



maybe i can clear it up, as a bro myself(urbandictionary #1 definition) this is how one of the many bro hugs i have participated in are acted out:

Sakura was hugging Naruto with full body contact- groin to groin, breasts pressed against his chest, both arms around him with one hand cupping his face and the other around him around his upper back, chin on his shoulder next to his face.... that's a lot closer than a "bro hug" (and as was said, we don't get to see if he brought his arms up to rest around her waist, with his hands on her back.) If you've seen bro's hug closer than that they must have been "on the downlow"

[Dreamer]

I'm a brother myself I've never hugged like that before. I know the difference from a friend to a romantic hug and that my friends was a romantic one.

[desaix]

I too enjoyed the NaruSaku moment.

I'm starting to get the feeling; that with Sasuke on his way to Konoha, the cloud team already there (yes, they are a little strange), Madara needing to take care of something, and Danzo as Hokage; that we are coming towards the final battle. At the rate Kishi is moving, it may be a year before they are done. However, I just have this feeling that the action is building if you know what I mean.

I can't really say I've read every issue since then (or at least SEEN every issue; I've probably read the non-scanlation translations, at least, but not seen them), but has Kabuto-Maru even shown up since his creation? I've been thinking for a while now he'll be the final villain, and he's conspicuously absent from this 'coming wrap-up.'

[RyrineaHaruno]

I'm a brother myself I've never hugged like that before. I know the difference from a friend to a romantic hug and that my friends was a romantic one.

I agree that was a romantic hug, that is no bro hug.