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[Raiya]

I've been lurking here for quite some time, waiting for a pivotal moment to finally occur. I must admit, I lost a good amount of interest in this manga after the time skip. Suddenly every ark was so long and tedious - plus I missed the days back when characters were actually developed.. If only to a small degree. It feels like Kishi has grown tired of this manga, because everything's moving foreward in a blur and alot of the material is just.. Nonsensical.

We barely know Hinata at all and suddenly she's been thrust into a mislabeled 'epic' event. What do we know about her, save for the basics? Are we, the readers supposed to feel empathy because she is apparently dead? If Hinata survives this, I will lose all respect (or should I say, 'what little respect') I have remaining for the author. Back in the good ol' pre time skip days people who were killed stayed dead, it made the overall feel of the comic grittier, darker, more desperate. With all the ressurection that has happened the emotions that would normally be associated with such a great sacrifice aren't there. Hinata's sacrifice is so pitifully... Empty.

Sure, she confessed her love.. But how many appearances has she made since the time skip? And when did we learn anything more about her? If this sacrifice was actually to mean something, wouldn't Sakura be the one getting offed? It just feels like a lame plot device, as others have said before. I don't hold any bitter feelings over pairings, it's just the content of the manga that has become disheartening. I miss that carefree, but still shadowed feeling from the Team 7 days when it was still in it's enfancy.

We have to keep in mind that only six of the nine tails have emerged, as horrible as the chapter was something worse has to happen in order for the Kyuubi to come out in full force.. and that will happen later. But I digress.. Having Hinata revived would be so horribly unreal, and the once wonderful story of Naruto will have digressed itself into nothing more than poorly written official fanfiction. I swear, if somehow the Kyuubi's chakra heals Hinata or revives her in some sort of lame miracle designed to push them together I will go on a rampage. Considering all the crap Kishimoto has pulled out of his arse before, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it happened. /rant

[Kyuudaime]

Well said Raiya.

I've said it before but to remind you guys, absolutely NO forum/fandom bashing. We have rules on forum-to-forum conduct and I'd like you to respect that.

I don't mind discussion relating to the chapter, but do not speak of "NaruHina/Hinata fans are doing this/that'. Keep it to the subject at hand and about the manga and not fandoms.

That's right True, you tell them.

[roninmedia]

Let's go back over the killing sequence again.

1. Hinata attempts to attack Pein.
2. Pein uses a Shirai Tensei against Hinata.
3. Pein's jutsu knocks Hinata to the ground.
4. Hinata is laying injured, with oral bleeding (which should indicated internal bleeding with injury to the pleural cavity due to the force, trauma of hitting the ground).
5. Pein proceeds to stab Hinata at least once at close range drawing blood.

And Pein, a ninja of his caliber doesn't have the presence of mind to land the fatal blow at that juncture. Highly doubtful.

[Sakura Blossoms]

But then, some of us here absolutely panicked just because Hinata finally got out a confession, so what does that tell you? For all the analysis of Kishi's writing and the way things have gone in this manga, it sounds like a lot of people here aren't as sure in NaruSaku as they come off to be.

That's not the problem. We all have faith in NaruSaku, because we see and believe in the development between Naruto and Sakura. The problem is that we don't necessarily trust Kishimoto to follow through on his own development.

[Arden! (:]

Hi guys. (:
I know I'm knew here, but i am VERY fond of NaruSaku
&& i just came from youtube to tell you all not to worry. : D

Honestly, With the whole Hinata confessing && then dying thing, it's really nothing to loose any sleep over.
it's just like when sasuke departed from Kohona.
It's not like Naruto is going to go "Seriously? Wow, I guess I love you too Hinata. Not that we ever really talked, but since you put your life on the line I'll go out with you out of pity because I feel like I owe you that. Screw Sakura."

NaruSaku has MUCH more devolopement than NaruHina in both the manga && the anime. NH is only in fillers, besides when she's STALKING him.

I think Kishi is way smarter than to make NH canon just because of that.

Well, have a NaruSaku day!

[alucard]

Well hasnt it been awhile since I posted here ehh? been keeping up with naruto and after 437 iam kinda shocked.. So in a real term of sense now we truly know hinata loves naruto. I still love NaruSaku but am interested to see what will happen once peins gone? I don't think hinata will die though. Unless kishi wants naruto to go fully nutz and go after pein wherever. ( which by the way would be totatly f'ing sweet)

But man 6 tails? I think pein ganna get his ass kicked. We already saw him coughing up blood. no way in hell he will survive this.

[Pite]

Hmmm... As we saw Naru-Kyuubi in 4-Tail state was uncounscience enought to harm Sakura. So in conclusion Naruto in his 6-Tail state is capable of ridiculous collateral damage. And considering how close Hinata's body is to Pain we can either conclude that either:

1) Kishi will pull off a remarkable Plot-Hole of the Century Jutsu and somehow save Hinata's body from utter destruction that 6-tail Kyuu-chan will rage.
2) She'll be used as a cannon fodder for Pain to stop an attack and Kyu-chan in his crazed state will eradicate the body into little bits and pieces.
3) Her body will be evaporated in one of the super-Kamehameha attacks that Kyu-chan has.

Also, the argument of Naruto also loving Hinata thus turning into rage is a grandiose confusion of the situation.

Naruto just upon hearing about Sasuke and seeing Oro-chan turned into a feriocious 4-Tail Kyuubi. So? We an conclude that Sasuke is loved by Naruto ? That Naruto harbors love and desire towards Sasuke? No.
We have to consider that he also experienced the compounded anger of seeing Konoha destroyed, his teachers dead/limboed, and was pushed back by Pain to the edge.

That componded into the 6-tail Kyuu-chan we can see.

[Codus N]

Whether Naruto returns them or not has no bearing on this whatsoever. The act of telling him alone is the representation of courage and shows that she has grown the spine she desired and is able to help muster the courage to try and help him like she longed to do. He could love her, he could reject her. Neither result changes what the confession itself represents. Thus, if the purpose of this is about her changing, then the confession is the resolution.

If the purpose was more geared toward pairings, then yes, there isn't closure. However, IMO, everything about this confesssion suggests that it was far more about Hinata than it was NaruHina.

Wow, Nate yer amazing yer just about as great as Truesensei at MH. BTW a li'l off topic question if u don't mind answering how old are u anyways? the way you analyze things seem like yer the oldest out of all the members.

Edited by Newkerz, 28 February 2009 - 06:42 AM.

[True]

Volume 9 Neji/Hinata fight

click --Click here to view--

Notice anything interesting about the number of scrolls on Naruto's back?

Kishimoto: JUST AS PLANNED

[Fallen_Angel]

http://www.narusaku....mp;#entry215766

Check out the Post above mine - he explains it the way that i think it should be so if you dont think it will be interesting....right...

Do it for the fandom - if not - then do it for the Kitties in Japan

[Sakura Blossoms]

Totally off-topic post

I am just amused to see how many members whom I have not seen in AGES, suddenly popping up again and posting in this thread, because of this chapter XD

If the purpose was more geared toward pairings, then yes, there isn't closure. However, IMO, everything about this confesssion suggests that it was far more about Hinata than it was NaruHina.

Wow, Nate yer amazing yer just about as great as Truesensei at MH. BTW a li'l off topic question if u don't mind answering how old are u anyways? the way you analyze things seem like yer the oldest out of all the members.

And you can always just check out member profiles for that kind of info

[Dormin]

Wow True, cool find, one side of my head says "Wow, Kishi had this story in the back of his mind for years huh?" but the other side says "Dude, you are acting like the guy who thught he saw Jesus in his soup"

[dl316bh]

You know, the more I've thought about it, the more this entire moment with Hinta has felt completely half-assed.

This is the kind of thing that happens after a character has progressed. Had we actually seen development, things would make sense. Instead, Hinata's done nothing of consequence since the Chunnin Exams. Suddenly, here she comes with a backbone of steel.

They're not quite as important, but if you're going to develop your background characters, you should at least do it properly.

But this could just be me being very hard on Kishi. I can't help it. I lost a lot of faith in Kishi's writing skills a long time ago; and the more time passes the more bothersome things jump out at me.

It's probably the writer in me.

That's not the problem. We all have faith in NaruSaku, because we see and believe in the development between Naruto and Sakura. The problem is that we don't necessarily trust Kishimoto to follow through on his own development.

That maybe true, but my point is that it doesn't much seem like it.

[Dormin]

You know, the more I've thought about it, the more this entire moment with Hinta has felt completely half-assed.

This is the kind of thing that happens after a character has progressed. Had we actually seen development, things would make sense. Instead, Hinata's done nothing of consequence since the Chunnin Exams. Suddenly, here she comes with a backbone of steel.

They're not quite as important, but if you're going to develop your background characters, you should at least do it properly.

But this could just be me being very hard on Kishi. I can't help it. I lost a lot of faith in Kishi's writing skills a long time ago; and the more time passes the more bothersome things jump out at me.

It's probably the writer in me.


That maybe true, but my point is that it doesn't much seem like it.

Couldn't agree more.

[Chivalrysae]

True, Hinata does pop up out of the blue. But you can kind of see why she's the only one that comes to Naruto's aid. No one is near the fight and she is pretty much the only one in the village that can see what is happening. She can see the tides have turned and Naruto is in danger. I am sure if Sakura or anyone else that had the strength left would have stepped onto the battlefield if they knew the situation. All they know is that they would get in his way if he was "fighting" at the moment. She can tell he's not fighting, and she can tell he is currently defensless.

So I totally understand her coming out to protect Naruto. If you agree with that you know she does not expect to survive full knowing how powerful her opposition is. So if you were going to die, you'd get whatever it is off your chest. You would do that things you normally wouldn't do. Think of the movie The Bucket List. I think it was totally out of the blue, but not completely unjustified. I do think Kishi could have done a better job building up to the situation.

[Verilance]

I think the point is, as it has been in the entire manga

True strength comes from the desire to protect someone you care about.

Hinata has the Byakugan and thus is the only one who can see the fight between Pein and Naruto thus she decides at that moment that she must do something to protect him.

She finds her strength the same way Naruto did when trying to protect Sakura against Gaara

I like Hinata I always have but am a firm narusaku believer I just don't like it when people say it is shoddy writing when Kishimoto-sensei is exploring a major theme of his Manga

[dl316bh]

I do think Kishi could have done a better job building up to the situation.

Therin is my problem with it and the reason it feels halfassed. It's the culmination of a plot that... never really went anywhere or did anything. She's quite literally been quite possibly the most underdeveloped character in the manga, then suddenly here we are. Even if he used this whole death thing just to wrap up her plots and squeeze some use out of her, it really goes to show just how poorly she's been handled on the whole.

When you look at it, it's kind of like this: Shy girl who faints at the sight of her idol ----------------- well over two hundred plus chapters of the character going nowhere with no real development of her character --------------------> BAM MUTHA****A APEX OF CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

Big gap, amirite?

But, in the interest of fairness, this isn't even just a problem with Hinata. Kishi's strength is definitely not with support characters or a lot of people not Team 7. This has generally been a bit of a problem with the manga in general, but it seems oh so much more noticable lately.

I like Hinata I always have but am a firm narusaku believer I just don't like it when people say it is shoddy writing when Kishimoto-sensei is exploring a major theme of his Manga

That's actually pretty far from the issue I'm taking with this. If Hinata had done more than end up as background scenery for most of the manga and had gotten some more development, this wouldn't have been an issue.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 February 2009 - 02:55 PM.

[Verilance]

People see what they want to see I guess,

Hinata is obviously a chunin and therefore not the same girl she was before she fought Neji we have only seen how she reacted around Naruto we haven't seen more of her because unlike what some people may have you believe the story isn't about her.

I understand what you are arguing but I don't see it myself

If she is dead i think she has died an honourable death similar to Obito

and he as well showed his strength when he needed to btw

[dl316bh]

Which can be applied for your side of the token too; the whole seeing what you want to see.

People will like what they like is proably a more apt and less annoyingly insinuative description.

we haven't seen more of her because unlike what some people may have you believe the story isn't about her.

You know, that's hardly the point; I never said she was. Nice to see my points glossed over so easily. Awesome to see I haven't slipped in my points being avoidable.

If she is dead i think she has died an honourable death

Perhaps. I'm really not debating that. I don't think I did at any point.

Edited by dl316bh, 28 February 2009 - 03:36 PM.