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[Ani]

I heard from an argument involving the data book: "Sakura does love Sasuke and Kishi has stated it in the data book and in the manga. The data books says that Sakura loves Sasuke on Sakura's profile; Sakura loves Sasuke in Sasuke's profile; and nothing on love interest in Naruto's profile". I've never seen the data book, so I cant reply.

[tombadgerlock]

I don't like sasuhina, because it means that hinata believes that sasuke is better than naruto, and i just plain don't think sasuke is a good character...

[Smiter]

I heard from an argument involving the data book: "Sakura does love Sasuke and Kishi has stated it in the data book and in the manga. The data books says that Sakura loves Sasuke on Sakura's profile; Sakura loves Sasuke in Sasuke's profile; and nothing on love interest in Naruto's profile". I've never seen the data book, so I cant reply.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I've not seen that bit of the data book, but I do remember there was this diagram in it, clearly showing Naruto having feelings for Sakura. Of course, it labelled all the crush feelings (even Lee -> Sakura, which didn't last that long) so it's not much help.

Besides, while Sakura did love Sasuke in the past, the manga does clearly show she has emerging feelings for Naruto - and it's the manga that's important. I do like many of the points brought up by everyone here. Go easy on the language though...

In a way, it might still be a bit early, but so far it looks as if the manga is shaping up like this:

Part One: Naruto shown falling for Sakura, tiny hints of Sakura beginning to notice him despite her obvious feelings for Sasuke.

Part Two: Sakura showing growing feelings for Naruto, little bits of confirmation of Naruto still liking her.

So it seems (so far) that (NaruSaku-wise) Part One was focused Naru->Saku(->Sasu), and Part Two has Saku->Naru

Since Kishi specifically said he would be writing romance in Part Two (when Part One did have some), I wonder if it will be just more development with a possible relationship in Part Three, or if he actually plans to have something happen between two people (hopefully Naruto and Sakura)?

Cutting this short since 311 RAW is out.

[Daniee]

Yeah, in that relationships diagram in the databook, there's an arrow pointing from Naruto to Sakura that says "suki"(love) with a heart next to it. As well as Sakura to Sasuke, Lee to Sakura, etc. Interestingly enough, there is NOT one going from Hinata to Naruto. See for yourselves:

http://i7.photobucke...e78/290-291.jpg

I can't read what it really says. Probably "admiration" or something.

[Nick Soapdish]

That wasn't a call to arms that I was making. Just a suggestion for those of you that want to debate. No need to turn it into a crusade.

[gamerman_007]

I was just about to get the hammer of narusaku logic out............... ah well.

Here's another place to debate narusaku, i could always use some help.

[gamerman_007]

If sasusaku fans hate sakura.....why do they pair her up with him?
Shouldnt they pair him up with some other girl....that they do like?
Strange how the human mind works.

[DazeDreamer]

Hey can someone put SakuSasu and or NaruHina argument? Cuz right now I'm getting very ticked off with the couples. You know why? Cuz when I look through fanfics now and then, almost all of the ShikaIno or NejiTen seem to always be attatched to (yup you guessed it!) SasuSaku and NaruHina. No fair. And most of the other fans of ShikaIno and NejiTen seem to swoon over NaruHina and SasuSaku as well.

Oh and I agree with Gamer-kun! For example I dislike the character Temari so I don's pair Shika-kun with her. But the SasuSaku fans seem to pair "their precious Sasuke-kun" (notice it was all in air quotes) with a girl they hate. Doesn't make sense. ANyway if I'm offending anyone here, I'm really sorry!

[MBKon]

Personally my favorite pairing with Sakura has to Saske because in the
episode were Sakura finally fights (it is so sad sob) to save Saske and
Naruto. Saske wakes up and he says * Sakura who did this to you*
doesn't that line sound protective and then the part when she hugs him. He
doesn't pull away or anything he lets her.And with that he goes back like
the power of love broke the spell. Don't get me wrong Naruto and Sakura
would be cute but it wouldn't be the same . Sakura and Saske have so
little in common that makes them so perfect and yet in the moments of
Crisis they seem more emotional towards 1 another well who knows. . . . .
. LONG LIVE SAKURA AND SASKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I countered it already, but if you wanna help go to:

FF.net debate

[Smiter]

Yeah, in that relationships diagram in the databook, there's an arrow pointing from Naruto to Sakura that says "suki"(love) with a heart next to it.  As well as Sakura to Sasuke, Lee to Sakura, etc.  Interestingly enough, there is NOT one going from Hinata to Naruto.  See for yourselves:

http://i7.photobucke...e78/290-291.jpg

I can't read what it really says.  Probably "admiration" or something.

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Ah! That's the diagram!

Thanks for posting that, Daniee. I can't believe I forgot the interesting bit - you are right, Hinata's feelings towards Naruto are NOT labelled as "love", but as "admiration". Mizura from the NaruSaku FC on Narutofan confirmed that.

It highlights that Hinata just admires Naruto and wants to be more like him so she can believe in herself and gain inner strength. Her behaviour around Naruto is just like how a fangirl behaves when she sees her idol (fainting etc).

[gamerman_007]

Sadly though, many naruhina fans think its love. poor saps.

[Hopestar]

If sasusaku fans hate sakura.....why do they pair her up with him? 
Shouldnt they pair him up with some other girl....that they do like? 
Strange how the human mind works. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Where did you hear that? As far as I know no SS fan had even mention any true hatred of Sakura (only her character).

I think everyone should chill do i think sakura's useless yes but we all are at times, do i think Sakura is useful- Hell yeah!, now that's the differance i think Sakura has become more useful then useless! So being both is ok that's normal. What i have a promblem with is her *now* flackyness in character. I use to be able to relate with Sakura's character but now i'm confused by it. It's like she can't decide how she should act. I want to know whats up with Sakura's lack of direction, you really don't exactly know why she is even in this arc yet ( she was in the Garra arc to show some development and advace the story by making Saori passonate and giving info on Sasuke *so her invovment progressed the story plot* USEFUL!!!) and we all know if a character is in the scene they have some importance to the developing story plot. Why ditch Kakashi (why make Kakashi stay out this time like he happened to stay out when Sasuke left Konoha?) and put 2 new characters in when they go to meet Sasuke for the first time. Not to mention what that new guy  Yamoto (or somethin)  sayin he regreted sayin that he would make sure everyone was not hurt. I'm beginig to wonder if she or Naruto or Maybe even Sasuke will really be messed up really bad. In my oppion Sakura's presence in the chapters have lead to new chapters so my point is what is her point in this one? Maybe she will leave with Sasuke because they made a point to only show Naruto eat that pill locator thing!  Or maybe she will find a way to put it on Sasuke? Sorry just my theroy.

And that's very true she very vague of feelings whenever it comes to Naruto. Of course there points out various of evidence that are obvious but still find it very annoying.

On the flip side Kakashi is planning to train Naruto since Sasuke is becoming powerful way too fast. However despite the all the training in the world, both Naruto & Sakura must put feelings aside and fight Sasuk as if he's their enemy because that's the only way they'll be able win. However doesnt mean he'll return might just fleet from the fight and come back another day stronger & full of pursuit. I can see their battle might round up to be like the Tsunade & Jiraiya vs. Oromichmaru. I doupt next they meet Sasuke, they'll succeed and may wallow in sorrow once again. Maybe by part 3 or 4, the two may give up Sasuke and move on. That's assuming if Sasuke is still alive and remains in the dark side as a villain.

[DazeDreamer]

Thankies MBKon! I got a few debates for people here:

Uhh... NaruHina seems to be a pairing set in stone. I can't see the creator dropping so many obvious hints to us, just to pair Naruto and Sakura (*shudder*) together in the end. Not unless he wants to get mauled by rabid fangirls, that is.

Okay, OBVIOUS? Just cuz Hinata has a CRUSH on Naru-kun does not mean she'll end up with him. Same goes for SasuSaku. Now NaruSaku hasn't been set in stone forever but from a love(NAruto)-hate (Sakura) relationship the paring bloomed wonderfully. I think that NaruHina is more of a best friend relationship. I think that KibaHina has more of a chance. They're teammates and Kiba acts like NAurto too. (But in a more toned down way)

Here's a quote I found who agrees:

Most of you will argue, "OH MY GOD!! HINATA AND NARUTO IS THE BEST PAIRING EVER!!" It's not. Hinata just has a crush on Naruto. Big deal. Every single other person in the entire show has a crush on somebody but if everyone got together with the person they had a crush on, Sasuke would have a harem of wives and we'd have quite a bit of scandals going on. How is Hinata's "Na-na-naruto-kun..." any different from Sakura or Ino's "SASUKE-KUN!!"? Besides from being seven levels quieter, it's not. Hinata is just like the other girls only less loud and boisterous about her crush. But then again, Hinata's not loud about anything. You know that old saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the oil." It means that you get what you want if you say something about it. I can see Sakura or Ino getting Sasuke long before Hinata gets Naruto. Maybe if Hinata spoke up then Naruto may notice. But Naruto's also crushing after Sakura and he thinks Hinata is weird so maybe not.

Hinata's relationship is just as lustful as Sakura's is. Let me spell it out for you.
Sakura loves Sasuke. Sakura pines for Sasuke but he doesn't return her love. Sasuke gets hurt (in the Forest of Death). Sakura cares for him. Sasuke doesn't notice the care. Sasuke and Sakura are not together.

Now let's see here...
Hinata loves Naruto. Hinata pines for Naruto but he doesn't return her love. Naruto gets hurt. Hinata cares for him (secret lotion). Naruto doesn't notice the care. Naruto and Hinata are not together.

So where does Kiba factor into all of this? You're probably all thinking, "You're just biased because this is a Kiba shrine and you love Kiba!" That may be true but I'll have you know, we supported Kiba/Hinata before we even came to love Kiba for the awesome character he SO is. Kiba appears to have a crush on Hinata without even realizing it. Hinata doesn't realize it either because she's too busy trying to say Naruto's name but she just can't get it out. Kiba cares for Hinata. She's coughing up blood and he immediately sprints up the stairs with the ANBU member and stays to make sure she is all right. I'm not about to nit-pick and find tiny little moments where they were on the same screen as each other and say that that counts for their love. So just take my word on it. Kiba's in love with Hinata. Kiba's love also isn't out of lust, obviously. Hinata's not exactly the most attractive girl out there and it's not like he had a crush on her prior to them being on the same team together. He got to know her!! ARGH!!! The horror!!

We can't just leave Naruto here in the dark! Where is HE supposed to factor in? Okay, as stated earlier, Hinata's love for Naruto is pure lust. Just like every other relationship in this entire show, her love for him is one-sided. Naruto thinks she's weird. He notices that she acts strange around him but is too dense to pick up why. He is also madly in love with Sakura. The only difference is, Naruto TELLS Sakura that he's in love with her. She expresses her disinterest in Naruto every single time but she is definitely warming up to him or at least, there is ROOM for her to warm up to him. With Hinata, Naruto has NO idea that the two of them even have some sort of connection with each other! He'll never know because she'll never tell him! Look at her hide in this picture! Just the mere sight of him causes her to run behind a tree and hide! How can she expect to get close to him if she can't even LITERALLY get close to him?!

I think that once Hinata realizes that Kiba is the one for her and that Naruto is not, then the two of them will hook up, get married and have many hybrid Inuzuka/Hyuuga babies that'll just be the silliest looking gosh-darned things ever known to the world.
HA! If you want more then tell me. Cuz I don't like Hinata/Naruto. They are just friends.

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Sasuke and Sakura. Why? Well...lemme see...the main character doesn't always get the girl...Sasuke needs to RESTORE HIS CLAN! (CoughSakuraCough)...

And about Sasuke leaving Konoha...In case no one noticed, he had a look of regret on his face. Sure, I'm well aware of the fact that he left anyways, but still-you cant blame the guy. I probably wouldve done the same exact thing. Kishimoto even said that he adored Sakura's feelings for Sasuke, and that Sakura's love for Sasuke is real and genuine, whereas Ino's love for Sasuke is more shallow. (all of this was according to a girl that doesnt have any preferences on pairings that watched the interviews) Sasuke is Kishimoto's favorite character. If Sakura truly loves Sasuke and Sasuke's his favorite character that plans on restoring his clan, then...

I mean, wouldnt you want nothing but the best for your favorite character???

And besides, Sasuke may not "deserve" Sakura's love, but seriously, and I dont mean to be rude or mean, but, who are you to judge? We dont deserve God's love, but He loves us anyways. I mean, honestly-you never kno what'll happen. Sasuke may redeem himself so that he will finally "deserve" her love!

And I think that Naruto has sort of "moved on" from Sakura, though this is only my humble opinion. Remember when he saw Sakura hug Sasuke in the hospital and left them alone? Tsunade said something along the lines of "Naruto is very sensitive." I think that it was there that he sort of decided to move on...

In case I wasnt very clear, I am a Sasusaku fan. There. I said it. I'll admit that I see narusaku as a possibility, but at the moment, the most that I could see with that is a love triangle between the Team 7 ppl.

Oh boy! First of all when in the world does UCHIHA SASUKE show any emotion besides anger,pain, and anguish? Seriously..What goes through that empty little Sasusaku fan head of yours? -sigh- Plus the manga is called NARUTO not Sasuke. If Sasuke was indeed Kishi-kun's fav. character, which he isn't, then would he put Sasuke as the traitor who doesn't give a s*** about anyone but himself? Wouldn't he put Naruto is the stupid idiotic moron who's weak and pathetic?

Plus I think you got it the other way around. Sakura doesn't deserve his love. Well he didn't even love her in the beginning so the statement is null and void. Plus redeem? You must be kidding me! Alright I admit I want him back in Konoha, but only for Naruto and Sakura's sake. Hah! Redeem indeed.

Okay now I get it. You must of not read the latest manga chapters right? Cuz if you did it's showing that he hasnt' moved on at all. Oh sure it isn't completely obvious but you can tell! He really loves her dearly. And of course he's sensitive! For starters he's been shunned by all well almost all of the villagers! Plus he has NEVER moved on.

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personally I got to go with Sasuke and Sakura. Mainly because I think that Naruto and Hinata go together. Here are my reasons(note: I've only seen up to 175 in japanese anime so don't kill me if I make a mistake).

Naruto obviously likes Hinata, aybe not in a romantic light but it seems to me as the series goes on that naruto begins to notice he more and more. The Scent Bug mission(can't remember how to spell the name so this is what I put) really brings this home when Naruto sees hinata(granted he doesn't know its Hinata) and says shes beautiful and graceful.

Sasuke is probably going to get Sakura just because hes A) The focus of like a hundred fangirls and she's the only one who he can actually stand. B) Sakura obviously still likes him and Sasuke likes Sakura. I mean when she says she loves him he thanks her and knock her out so that she won't become like him and get hurt(thats mainly interpretation). And C) I think Sakura and Naruto view each other as more of brother and sister now then lovers(and I don't think either of them is going down the incest path).

But pretty much thats my reasoning. Its probably flawed in there somewhere so please feel free to argue with me. Oh yeah almost forgot, I'm not including yaoi just because the thought of naruto and Sasuke together makes my head hurt(not because it wrong, its mainly the thought of hyperactive idiot and silent avenger really don't mix).

Oh jeez another one. I've seen quite a lot off ppl use that as an excuse, and I gotta say it gets me annoyed. Oh for ONE time he somewhat admires her. Give me a break. It was dark!

Oh great yet another SasuSaku to disprove! Alright yes he can tolerate her, so what? Sasuke can tolerate Naruto. Does that mean he loves him? Still I'm glad that you admit it's flawed. Most fans think that this couple is perfect blah blah blah. Anyway Sakura most defenitly does not think as NAruto as a bro.
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Anyway that's it for now.

[Hopestar]

I was just about to get the hammer of narusaku logic out............... ah well.

Here's another place to debate narusaku, i could always use some help.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Damn is all I can really say buddy. Those were very goody arguments you threw out there thank heavens there was noone else involve.

This is where I can become easily upset because it a pity that many NH fans based their relationship onto these fillers which clearly has nothing to do with the original storyline. It's just an bundle of series events that made up to occur in order to give the manga extra time to be well written. Sure that bonded during the Chunnin exams but really that's it and all. At least SS & NS has hell lot more to carry forth than that.

I'll tell ya debating with NH fans is completely waste of time because it's never gonna be and had already has been stated by Kishi that they'll be nohing more than friends. Gamerman, you made your point and just nothing gets throught to them becasue they remain living in illusion. I can understand if that person was SS fan because then there's something worth debating since SS fan will cover the developments made in part 1 while NS will its developments in both parts (more towards part 2 however).

[gamerman_007]

Kishi said they'll only be friends? where is this, i must use it! If kishi says no naruhina, joys!

[gamerman_007]

I wonder if i should sign up at NF..............should i? cause i realized debating is fun! Cause now, i just kicked the naruhina fan that i was debating with at NMR's ass.

[surlymoogle]

Uhh... NaruHina seems to be a pairing set in stone. I can't see the creator dropping so many obvious hints to us, just to pair Naruto and Sakura (*shudder*) together in the end. Not unless he wants to get mauled by rabid fangirls, that is.

Uhh...NaruHina seems to be a one-sided case of idol-worship that isn't even set in Silly Putty, let alone stone. I can't see Kishi-san spending hundreds of panels focusing on the well-established, gradually developing relationship between Naruto and Sakura (*cheers*), just to pair Naruto with Hinata (*shudder*), a girl he's said about five sentences to in his entire LIFE.

And furthermore, Kishi-san doesn't write to appease the massive sense of entitlement of rabid fangirls. In fact, I imagine he could care less about the rabid NaruHina contingent, which exists almost entirely in the Western fandom, which isn't his main audience. So...sorry, rabid fangirls! I'm sure Naruto will still be able to exist even without you around.

Naruto obviously likes Hinata, aybe not in a romantic light but it seems to me as the series goes on that naruto begins to notice he more and more. The Scent Bug mission(can't remember how to spell the name so this is what I put) really brings this home when Naruto sees hinata(granted he doesn't know its Hinata) and says shes beautiful and graceful.

The fact that this person has to use filler to make their case automatically tells me their argument is worthless.

And besides, Sasuke may not "deserve" Sakura's love, but seriously, and I dont mean to be rude or mean, but, who are you to judge? We dont deserve God's love, but He loves us anyways.

I...just...What the hell?

[surlymoogle]

If I want to replicate the experience of visiting that particular anti-FC, I could always eat a jar of expired mayonnaise. But...eh, I'll take a brief whack.

Yes, Naruto KNOWS and ACCEPTED Sakura's feelings. That's why I don't understand why some NaruSaku-ers ignore that.

But was Naruto HAPPY about Sakura's feelings? Not according to his facial expression. So WHY would he accept them, then? Perhaps because HER happiness is more important to him than his own?

I don't understand why anti-NaruSaku-ers ignore that. Oh, wait, that requires more than mere surface analysis, god forbid.

Sasuke's goal: To restore his clan and kill a certain man.

Please provide solid proof of the fact that Sasuke is still intent on restoring his clan, now that his name is completely mud in Konoha, causing him to be killed on sight should he return home? And that he even cares about such a thing anymore?

Sakura's however, was more than a crush. Come on she was willing to betray her whole VILLAGE just to BE with Sasuke.

Already posted theory on this further up the page.

It's pathetic if NaruSaku happened IMO. Well lets see.. Sakura spent the ENTIRE part 1, OBSESSING over SASUKE...So in the end she winds up with NARUTO?

Let me see: Sakura obsesses like an idiot over a boy who finds her annoying, ignores her and has not once professed to like her, and ignores herself the one boy who not only likes her but understands her. What's more pathetic--staying infinitely stuck on No. 1, Mr. Hopelessly Lost Cause, or growing gradually more fond of No. 2, after spending a hell of a lot of time with him and coming to understand him as well?

Naruto didn't spend basically every second in part 1, obsessing over Sakura or delayering is so called 'love' for her. Heck I dont even REMEMBER him telling Sakura he LOVED her. He liked her b/c she was the same as him. Because they both seeked acknowledgement. And now he has it. That's all.

"Delayering"? "Seeked"? Grammar skills am good!

Oh, so because Naruto doesn't obsess over Sakura the same way Hinata obsesses over him, he couldn't possibly love her. Because it's not like love develops over time, through interaction and experience with a person, like the sort of experience we've seen between Naruto and Sakura since the skip. No, all love must be declared through childish crushes, fangirling, stalking, and flowery proclamations to be considered valid. What an immature concept of love of that is.

And if he only liked her as far as seeking acknowledgement, why would he continue to show interest in her after he gained said acknowledgement?

There's no way Kishi could forget about Hinata. One, she's one of his characters. Two, he even kept her feelings for Naruto after 2.5 years. If he forgot about Hinata, hell I bet we wouldn't have even seen her yet for part 2.

Never mind that her feelings for Naruto after 2.5 years were played for comic relief and lasted all of, what, two pages before she disappeared again. Kishi hasn't "forgotten" her, for cripes sake--give him a TINY bit of credit, please. The man knows what he's doing. If she were especially significant, she'd play a bigger role. She's not, so she doesn't. End of story.

But, blahditty blah blah, reading the same anti-NaruSaku dreck over and over is giving me migraines, so I'll quit there.

[gamerman_007]

All those arguments........gah!.....im not gonna try. i cant, the stupidity in that post overwhelems my very soul.

Why naruhina is dead:
HINATA WAS NEVER AN IMPORTANT CHARACTER AND WILL NEVER BE!
In aethos-san's (paraphrased) words "Screw her".

It said that naruhina always drabbles in filler. They will only point to one scene in the manga, then fillers abound. On naruhina fan said that

"Kishi is discreetly oking naruhina cause if he didnt want the fans thinking that naruhina was gonna happen, he woulda said no"

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http://groups.msn.co...576958223290953
is the link.