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[Bail o' Lies]

@Tricksie if you want kishimoto to do what you want (an NS ending years down the line), you should write him a letter or something about you're feeling of the series. Not to guilt him into it but to show how much you care about the series.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Whelp, looks like Kishimoto is a filthy liar.
 
Surprise surprise.
 
https://40.media.tum...1riyb5k_540.jpg
Apparently, this says something about a new series this spring and that it's gonna be a monthly manga.
 
Closer look at image; http://psychedelic-c...ge/135490803301
 
Man, Salad's gone through three costume changes already. The first one matched Karin's the second one was a replica of Sakura's, and now she's in this short dress and high heels.
 
Edit; so apparently Kishimoto's assistant, Ikemoto, is drawing the manga, while the guy who wrote the Boruto movie is writing this, and Kishimoto is just "supervising" the new series.

that's why the drawings looked strange.

[tricksie]

If they back to ns then how you think this would happen ?

I really don't see something like a divorce happening 

I said alternate ending. Not a divorce. Like the theory of the whole current ending being a genjutsu. 

 

Also, I'm open to more NS moments too, not just a whole ending. I can easily see them resurrecting the shipping wars if that's was a big money/interest generator for them.

 

All these things are still options as along as the series is continuing with Boruto. So that's the upside of the new manga series. If the series was over, then all other options would be finished along with it.

[Bail o' Lies]

If they back to ns then how you think this would happen ?

I really don't see something like a divorce happening 

Everything is about profit. Honestly if Bolt flops hard enough because the clown and the pedophile can't cut it. But the Itachi series and the other stuff still sell well enough. Then since Naruto is now a franchise. They would/may re-examine why those thing are working and why the new generation are failing. Once they find the answer is the paring and the creative team behind the manga. They'll get rid of them like dirty old rags and replace them with someone else. If that someone is able to convince them that they should go back to part two ending and go for ns sk ending instead. Then the companies behind Naruto would/may allow it. Especially if they got kishi to state his approval of the idea.

 

They are keeping with it since they fear of losing what left of the fan base, but if they are convince they're is more money made in dropping nH and going ns then they will/may.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 21 December 2015 - 04:06 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I said alternate ending. Not a divorce. Like the theory of the whole current ending being a genjutsu. 

 

Also, I'm open to more NS moments too, not just a whole ending. I can easily see them resurrecting the shipping wars if that's was a big money/interest generator for them.

 

All these things are still options as along as the series is continuing with Boruto. So that's the upside of the new manga series. If the series was over, then all other options would be finished along with it.

The problem with that is you have the guy who despises Sakura doing the art. Not the story thankfully. That person is content enough just ripping of ns and sns for bs.

[yimiiyumi]

I said alternate ending. Not a divorce. Like the theory of the whole current ending being a genjutsu. 

 

Also, I'm open to more NS moments too, not just a whole ending. I can easily see them resurrecting the shipping wars if that's was a big money/interest generator for them.

 

All these things are still options as along as the series is continuing with Boruto. So that's the upside of the new manga series. If the series was over, then all other options would be finished along with it.

I see an alternate ending and genjutsu as two different things, because going by alternative ending they just need to change things from chapter 693 and make a good ending while genjutsu will change a lot of things (if anesuna is right about genjutsu starting at 609 chapter)

NS moments where ? in the anime ? I odn't think they will make any NS moment in the same bs universe after ending

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

You know, I'm kind of glad they've finally come out and annouced the new Boruto series. It makes it official that the botched ending, the bait-and-switch of pairings, the god-awful movie, and the trampling of everything that Naruto ever stood for in the series was all for this.

 

It wasn't because NH was the end pairing all along. It wasn't because Kishimoto planned it this way.

 

It was all for to reboot the series under new management. Now that Kishimoto's out of the way and they are creating their own series,  they can keep pushing the Naruto series, in all its forms, forever and ever and ever. In any direction they want.

 

This is why the ending went down the way it did. It was all for this. And now they've made it official.

 

Yeah, no kidding. It basically is the fact they sold out, Tricks. And now this proves it beyond of a shadow of a doubt for sure that this is what this was all about. And I bet that Kishimoto's assistant must feel proud of himself. As for me, I just feel like that this means the Naruto that I loved in my heart is never gonna come back. But I don't care, since if they want to reboot the series under new management, good for them. I don't give a damn. But I do agree completely with you.

[BlackBird19]

I personally don't think they would ever back track to the original manga for an alternate ending without a tremendous amount of fan support to do so. And by fan support I mean enough numbers to show that they could make some real money doing that. I don't believe there are enough fans to make that possible. This franchise actually disenfranchised a lot of it's fans as it went along and I'm not sure many are wanting come back.

 

I also don't believe they'll give up their decision on the pairings so easily even if the Boruto manga flops. If they want to go back to the original characters they have a lot time skips at the end that they can fill in with more made up stories. They have enough pro-ending fans to still make money off of that. It seems it doesn't matter how much profit they make, so long as it's profit they'll always consider their decision to end the original manga the way they did to be the right one.

 

I don't see them having the guts to admit they made a mistake without some genuine outcry from the fans en masse, but that just hasn't happened yet.

[NeonRanger]

I see an alternate ending and genjutsu as two different things, because going by alternative ending they just need to change things from chapter 693 and make a good ending while genjutsu will change a lot of things (if anesuna is right about genjutsu starting at 609 chapter)

NS moments where ? in the anime ? I odn't think they will make any NS moment in the same bs universe after ending

 

Actually they can. The Last takes place two years after Naruto 699. SP can makes NS moments between those times, like a mini date or a silly rivalry against Lee, or another mission. SP already confirmed that they will be add more after 699, before the last chapter. And I'm taking about canon timeline, not an alternate ending. 

[yimiiyumi]

 

Actually they can. The Last takes place two years after Naruto 699. SP can makes NS moments between those times, like a mini date or a silly rivalry against Lee, or another mission. SP already confirmed that they will be add more after 699, before the last chapter. And I'm taking about canon timeline, not an alternate ending. 

well it depends if you're talking about the time-skip in 699

after the ss moment in 699 where sakura blushs and forehead poke I doubt they will make any ns moments after this (if we get the sam ending as the manga)

[NeonRanger]

I personally don't think they would ever back track to the original manga for an alternate ending without a tremendous amount of fan support to do so. And by fan support I mean enough numbers to show that they could make some real money doing that. I don't believe there are enough fans to make that possible. This franchise actually disenfranchised a lot of it's fans as it went along and I'm not sure many are wanting come back.

 

I also don't believe they'll give up their decision on the pairings so easily even if the Boruto manga flops. If they want to go back to the original characters they have a lot time skips at the end that they can fill in with more made up stories. They have enough pro-ending fans to still make money off of that. It seems it doesn't matter how much profit they make, so long as it's profit they'll always consider their decision to end the original manga the way they did to be the right one.

 

I don't see them having the guts to admit they made a mistake without some genuine outcry from the fans en masse, but that just hasn't happened yet.

 

They will never agree that they are in the wrong, that I agree with. But the fact that they do make profit is why perhaps (no matter how small) the can add NS moments or even an alternate ending. They can still keep canon ending, but they offer a what if type of ending. That way all fandoms are happy in a sense. And even if they didn't, they can offer NS moments between ch 699-700. NH dosen't become canon until after the last. They can still offer moments that we can include into our fanfictions or fanart, like with RtN and some NS fillers. Some people in SP also ship NS. What I'm saying is that they might reach out to gain more money. I don't believe that they will come to NS when the franchise is dead, because there's the chance that they'll drop it altogether if there is another manga that will raise money. Rather they do it as a way to make more before the franchise dies.  

[NeonRanger]

well it depends if you're talking about the time-skip in 699

after the ss moment in 699 where sakura blushs and forehead poke I doubt they will make any ns moments after this (if we get the sam ending as the manga)

 

From the anime they already change a lot of moments, they even excluded some SS moments. An exmple would have been the filler where Sakura mention that she used to love Sakura, and the NS robot filler. The anime might include an episode where Ino convinces Sakura that she should go out with Naruto, and they go out a comedic date. Or there are other missions where they protect each other and stuff like that.

 

I'm not saying that they are going to include some serious NS moments or a love confession, but light-hearted NS moments, that won't go to extreme where they piss of extreme NH/SS fans, but enough where we can make gifs from it or write fanfictions about the episode in more depth or romantic. If they continue on canon route. They already change so much on the anime. 

[yimiiyumi]

 

From the anime they already change a lot of moments, they even excluded some SS moments. An exmple would have been the filler where Sakura mention that she used to love Sakura, and the NS robot filler. The anime might include an episode where Ino convinces Sakura that she should go out with Naruto, and they go out a comedic date. Or there are other missions where they protect each other and stuff like that.

 

I'm not saying that they are going to include some serious NS moments or a love confession, but light-hearted NS moments, that won't go to extreme where they piss of extreme NH/SS fans, but enough where we can make gifs from it or write fanfictions about the episode in more depth or romantic. If they continue on canon route. They already change so much on the anime. 

Well during kakashi's novel (which happens before the last) naruto asks sakura if she's jealous and sakura says "stop it, you know I decided to wait for sasuke-kun" so I guess naruto tried a lot to have a date with sakura but her rejected 

so well this is why I can't really see they doing ns moments after the forehead poke where sakura believes sasuke loves her and will come back 

but maybe during the time-skip which happen in 699

[NeonRanger]

Yes, but they never confirmed the Kakashi novel as being adapted into Anime, only Itachi Shiden, so that should tell you something.

 

Also, they are already straying way off from canon, so even than SP own Naruto in a separate entity. SP owns a part the Naruto anime, not the Manga, so they can change the anime to their liking. And if they can't change the ending they will add moments where NS are not romantic but close friends.  

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well Itachi is pretty popular, so what do you think is the reason for him to get this magnitude.

[Illnevergiveup3]

@Tricksie if you want kishimoto to do what you want (an NS ending years down the line), you should write him a letter or something about you're feeling of the series. Not to guilt him into it but to show how much you care about the series.

I would write Kishimoto a letter, but can he read English?

[tricksie]

@Tricksie if you want kishimoto to do what you want (an NS ending years down the line), you should write him a letter or something about you're feeling of the series. Not to guilt him into it but to show how much you care about the series.

Well, I'm content with writing fanfic to see the changes I wish he'd make. But fan outcry should never be underestimated. 

Everything is about profit. Honestly if Bolt flops hard enough because the clown and the pedophile can't cut it. But the Itachi series and the other stuff still sell well enough. Then since Naruto is now a franchise. They would/may re-examine why those thing are working and why the new generation are failing. Once they find the answer is the paring and the creative team behind the manga. They'll get rid of them like dirty old rags and replace them with someone else. If that someone is able to convince them that they should go back to part two ending and go for ns sk ending instead. Then the companies behind Naruto would/may allow it. Especially if they got kishi to state his approval of the idea.

 

They are keeping with it since they fear of losing what left of the fan base, but if they are convince they're is more money made in dropping nH and going ns then they will/may.

Exactly!! This is exactly what I mean. If Bolt goes no where, while the Itachi series (and the rest of the old/original characters) takes off, then I could see them going back and expanding that universe instead of the modern, urban, non-ninja Konoha of Bolt's world.

 

Yeah, no kidding. It basically is the fact they sold out, Tricks. And now this proves it beyond of a shadow of a doubt for sure that this is what this was all about. And I bet that Kishimoto's assistant must feel proud of himself. As for me, I just feel like that this means the Naruto that I loved in my heart is never gonna come back. But I don't care, since if they want to reboot the series under new management, good for them. I don't give a damn. But I do agree completely with you.

Right! And since things were left so undone at the ending, for Naruto especially, it might actually work in their favor one day. The big gap in the story left by focusing on Hinata and dumping Naruto means that future illustrators have a ready-made starting place: Finishing Naruto's story. Which is why if interest is still ongoing in the story (even if it's through Boruto) then there's always a possibility of revisiting the original series and setting things to rights.

 

Actually they can. The Last takes place two years after Naruto 699. SP can makes NS moments between those times, like a mini date or a silly rivalry against Lee, or another mission. SP already confirmed that they will be add more after 699, before the last chapter. And I'm taking about canon timeline, not an alternate ending. 

Exactly!!!!! There are such big holes in the story that it almost set up to be filled in later on. It's totally wide open. There was no resolution of NS, no SS. No nothing. Only the movie about Hinata. So there's lot of avenues where they can go back to the original story, if they feel like they'll make money off it.

 

 

They will never agree that they are in the wrong, that I agree with. But the fact that they do make profit is why perhaps (no matter how small) the can add NS moments or even an alternate ending. They can still keep canon ending, but they offer a what if type of ending. That way all fandoms are happy in a sense. And even if they didn't, they can offer NS moments between ch 699-700. NH dosen't become canon until after the last. They can still offer moments that we can include into our fanfictions or fanart, like with RtN and some NS fillers. Some people in SP also ship NS. What I'm saying is that they might reach out to gain more money. I don't believe that they will come to NS when the franchise is dead, because there's the chance that they'll drop it altogether if there is another manga that will raise money. Rather they do it as a way to make more before the franchise dies.  

Right - it's not about being right or wrong. Or even catering to the bigger fanbase. It's about the MONEY. And if after they've wrung out the NH fans and driven Boruto and his series into the ground, they may go back to the original series and expand on it. After all, they threw over the entire momentum of the story for the money grab of an NH ending. So they've already done it once! Why couldn't they do it again for a shot at more NS drama, and more story with the original Team 7?

 

From the anime they already change a lot of moments, they even excluded some SS moments. An exmple would have been the filler where Sakura mention that she used to love Sakura, and the NS robot filler. The anime might include an episode where Ino convinces Sakura that she should go out with Naruto, and they go out a comedic date. Or there are other missions where they protect each other and stuff like that.

 

I'm not saying that they are going to include some serious NS moments or a love confession, but light-hearted NS moments, that won't go to extreme where they piss of extreme NH/SS fans, but enough where we can make gifs from it or write fanfictions about the episode in more depth or romantic. If they continue on canon route. They already change so much on the anime. 

This. This is exactly what I mean. At the extreme end it might be an alternate ending. But I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to figure out some way to resurrect the pairing wars again. After all - that was their biggest moneymaker. The NH ending wouldn't have made such a big splash if the story wasn't built for NS. So yeah, they know there's a big fanbase out there who would tune in for more NS. It remains to be seen if they decide to dip back into that or not. But as along as Naruto continues, then it's a possibility.

 

An honestly, I see the Itachi anime taking off more than the Boruto series. Itachi is wildly popular, by all ships. And if Itachi takes off, then there's a real chance we'll see Team 7 reunited again. So future NS moments could definitely be shown there, in the anime instead of the Boruto manga.

[yimiiyumi]

@tricksie by NS moments do you mean during the war ? or in the filler arc ? or ns moments after-ending ? this is what I don't get

[Illnevergiveup3]

@tricksie by NS moments do you mean during the war ? or in the filler arc ? or ns moments after-ending ? this is what I don't get

It might be after Chapter 662- The Real End. After the CPR and stuff.

[tricksie]

@tricksie by NS moments do you mean during the war ? or in the filler arc ? or ns moments after-ending ? this is what I don't get

I guess it would depend on what part of the story they might expand.

 

If the Itachi anime took off, then it could be early Team 7 NS moments.

 

Or it could be the intervening years between the end and when Naruto becomes Kage, when the novels were written. 

 

Or it could be during the war arc, a filler arc before the end, or a genjutsu spin-off from the war.

 

Or it could be something new, that we haven't seen before: like some new character stumbles across the formula for the genjutsu and reinacts the whole dream world on the next generation, including Naruto and Sakura. 

 

Or if they broaden the Itachi universe, making him interact with the Akatsuiki, Kabuto and Orochimaru, there could be some genjutsu sequences that come from those stories. Where Orochimaru is testing it out and a young Team 7 stumbles into it. And it's left to Itachi to save them, and return them to Konoha, forgetting their dreams and Itachi's involvement.

 

So there are thousands of ways they could bring back NS. And they did such a bad job on the ending — so many giant plot holes, including the genjutsu theory that the whole war is an illusion — there are just tons and tons of ways they could reintroduce NS to the story and have it still make sense, whether they give an alternate NS ending or not.

 

Hope this helps. It's a bit like coming up with fanfic ideas. But the ending was so slapdash and open, that it's not hard. The only thing that was focused on was Hinata's dreams and goals. Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke's actual interactions were left almost untouched. Just a few sentences here and there. And the forehead poke from Sasuke, which was a familial gesture, not a lover one, so it's easy to work around. But no big declarations of love, no big rejections. No nothing. It's still wide open if they wanted to change it. Which, if the money was there, I wouldn't put it past them!!

 

edit: We could even do a new thread for theories on how NS might make another future appearance in the franchise, if anyone else wants to. Be good ideas for fanfics, at least!