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@nostradamus
Sakura seal will not make her look young. It's different jutsu.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Yeah, as someone already mentioned, I too thought she was wearing the standard pregnancy apron they seem to give to all maternally inclined women in anime/manga.

 

And there is one panel were her hand is high over her waist even though she isn't show with the round pregnancy belly from that view. But it's hinted at.

 

And I think that's the only time that she's ever been covered by a word bubble when she's been in a scene.

 

I think it's more than just poor design. I think it's the only way Kishi can include her in the timeframe without explicity showing that she's pregnant. But the signs will be there when you look back — trash-bag apron dress, hand on belly, conveniently hidden by speech bubble. She's in the scenes, but you can't get a good look at her.  

 

Anyway, no matter how bad this gets, just still glad we're not getting Hinata and NH shoved down our throats. 

 

Yeah, I know whatcha mean, even if NH and Hinata have been shocked down our throats thanks to The Last, Tricksie. T_T

[Nostradamus]

@nostradamus
Sakura seal will not make her look young. It's different jutsu.

I'm sorry but didn't Tsunade use the seal she had to look younger?

Because as far as I remember it that's what kept her looking young.

Edited by Nostradamus, 29 May 2015 - 01:20 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

It will probably never truly to fruition thus Kishi will see no reason to give any specifics regarding what is "more powerful than Kaguya" unless it turns out to simply be held over as the Boruto movie plot.

 

Kishi can always find someone more dangerous. We all thought Tobi was the final villain, then Madara came out on top. Then Kaguya was pulled out of his ass and now someone more dangerous. Kishi has wanted to put an end to this disaster for a long time, everytime he changes his mind he creates someone more dangerous.

 

btw naruto is overrusing Kurama. Without him, or SM for that matter, he's weak af.

And as I keep saying, that's one of the immediate problems Shippuden had from the get-go; Naruto coming back from 2 1/2 years of "training" with Jiraiya, only to not be that much stronger than he was when he left resulting in even Sakura, much less Sasuke, looking far more advanced than he was. All he really improved in were basics and having a slightly bigger Rasengan. Otherwise, everything else was Kurama chakra-related, which was extremely foolish on Jiraiya's part. That's not to say learning how to use and control it in general is bad for a tight spot, but making it pretty much Naruto's only source of power, and against an organization whose goal it was was to capture the Biju/Jinchuriki and clearly had members who can directly counter their target Biju/Jinchuriki in some way, only would help put Naruto at a great disadvantage against any Akatsuki members he came up against. Itachi, with the Mangekyo Sharingan, could easily seal off Kurama's chakra and trap Naruto in Genjutsu and such, coupled with his own sheer skill, while Kisame and Samehada could, as demonstrated against Bee, could otherwise "eat" Kurama's chakra and use it to empower himself, and as constantly demonstrated, Naruto has no practical fighting capabilities otherwise and has a very, very limited arsenal at the time (Kage Bunshin, Henge, Rasengan...not much else). Even against a shape-shifted Itachi clone at only up to 30% of the real Itachi's full power almost beat him, Sakura, and Kakashi by himself; Naruto even being caught in a Genjutsu right at the start just by the clone pointing at him.

And I mean seriously, during the Rescue Gaara Arc, how much did Naruto really do besides give Chiyo more chakra to help deus ex revive Gaara? He did jack to Deidara besides chasing him in slight Kurama-fied anger (Kakashi was the one who took Deidara's arm with Kamui and also protected everyone from Deidara's "suicide" explosion) and Sakura and Chiyo were the ones who took down Sasori. It only gets further exacerbated with his four-tail debacle (coupled with Jiraiya telling Tsunade and others about that utterly failed attempt at unlocking more of Kurama's chakra for Naruto to use, which you'd think would've been a sign for him to try to expand Naruto's general arsenal and fighting abilities) and with how easily Sasuke owns the team during their reunion; Sasuke even further proving the Akatsuki bit by his own, far weaker compared to Itachi's, Sharingan being able to at least easily dispel Kurama's chakra thus Naruto's trump card and only real source of power at the time is instantly negated before the fight even starts while Sasuke at least boosted his arsenal and expanded his fighting capabilities under Orochimaru. At that time, Sasuke probably wouldn't even need the Curse Seal to beat Naruto, Naruto being at full power or otherwise.

It's why I had hope that Naruto would actually start to greatly improve himself when, after the bridge incident, he declared he would get stronger with his "own power". Learn new jutsu, learn new fighting styles, actually take it all more seriously. Instead, we just get a half-finished Rasenshuriken (that only succeeded due to the convenient "moment of stupidity" on Kakuzu's part, even though he could instantly tell that it was dangerous and should avoid it at all cost, so you'd think Akatsuki members would know the general way Naruto fights so as to not fall for such tricks like Kage Bunshin + Henge) before Naruto starts relying on other sources of power again with Sage Mode, then right back to relying on Kurama's chakra for the rest of the story, on top of, alongside Sasuke, literally being handed hax power from Hagaromo. And it doesn't help that he ditches training for Sage Mode and initial Kurama chakra control early just to play hero.

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I'm sorry but didn't Tsunade use the seal she had to look younger?
Because as far as I remember it that's what kept her looking young.

The seal is her backup chakra battery to utilize jutsu that take very much chakra to use.
what make her have youthful appearance is another jutsu, not the seal itself.

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@inuyasha
Naruto is foreshadow to use Kyubi chakra and fight as jinchuriki since his first training with jiraiya. he must utilize his gift.
The problem happen when naruto as protagonist and title character in shonen battle manga doesn't get his own battle. I don't count naruto goes four tail as his battle.
Kishi doesn't use the subbos to fight naruto to show naruto progress since rescue garra arc is mean to show sakura progress.

Some people want to use his own power and not use Kyubi. Sorry I disagree with that. Naruto must use Kyubi power.

[Nar123]

This chapter was pretty terrible. " A villain worse than Kaguya",no thanks. She already managed to help ruin the story with her carboard personality

But...seriously she supposedly was the goddess of all the shinobi, the strongest of them all, master manipulator...I wonder if this is going to be retconned too somehow

 

 

 

 

I swear I saw something like this on tumblr  they were admiring the fact that  "Sasuke brought Sakura his Waifu to the secret meeting bc she's so important to him bc its obvious he loves her so much"      .

 

Ah here it is found  it     . The counterpart to their BS is the best though  . 

 

http://midgetmeredit...ven-if-shes-not

 

It's funny how these SS people call themselves " true Sakura fans" and yet they are quickly to put a toxic relationship such as SS above her character

 

 

 

@inuyasha
Naruto is foreshadow to use Kyubi chakra and fight as jinchuriki since his first training with jiraiya. he must utilize his gift.
The problem happen when naruto as protagonist and title character in shonen battle manga doesn't get his own battle. I don't count naruto goes four tail as his battle.
Kishi doesn't use the subbos to fight naruto to show naruto progress since rescue garra arc is mean to show sakura progress.

Some people want to use his own power and not use Kyubi. Sorry I disagree with that. Naruto must use Kyubi power.

 

I agree, I just think that the way he managed to get Kyuubi power was badly executed and very rushed

And @Inuyasha has a point when he says that Naruto should've came out stronger from his two year trip with Jiraya, when you stop to think about the only new tech Naruto really learned during the timeskip was the giant rasengan.

Edited by Nar123, 29 May 2015 - 02:10 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Guys and girls, I figured it out. Someone worse than Kaguya, it can only be this guy:

Ladies and Gentleman I give you the final villain

Edited by Nostradamus, 29 May 2015 - 02:17 AM.

[Nar123]

Guys and girls, I figured it out. Someone worse than Kaguya, it can only be this guy:

Ladies and Gentleman I give you the final villain

 

looks legit

 

the ultimate villain is the author himself...fitting

[Pix]

Okay, so what I'm getting is that they were all banned from talking about "Kaguya" but not "Uchiha". So my question is, why didn't Sakura tell Sarada anything about her father? Anything about the Uchiha? 

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@nar123
I agree. Naruto should learn or at least know about his elemental power, learning to infuse his rasengan with it, and learn about sm.
All of it doesn't mean naruto is mastering it but more like he learn that for two years, but can't manage to master it until kakashi give a hand on him(rasenshuriken) and he goes to myobokuzan mountain to train sm.

So kishi doesn't need to utilize kb training since that method is kitten. And mastering sm in what? A week?

[Pix]

I know, I used to defend her too from all the haters. Before 693 things were looking up. You could make a good argument that she was getting over Sasuke and more importantly she had the yin seal and had just punched a shinobi goddess. But then 693 broke my heart big time. I just can't defend her anymore, the burn is still there. 

I honestly wished Sakura died in the war with Neji just to save her from her fate. Both Sakura haters and Sakura lovers would have benefited from this tragedy. 

[Nostradamus]

 

looks legit

 

the ultimate villain is the author himself...fitting

You know, it would be quite funny if he introduces himself as the final villain. Anyway jokes aside. I can't understand how can you really make someone more powerful and "scarier" than Kaguya. Unless it's just them saying this new villain is more powerful therefore we have to believe it.

 

Thing is it doesn't matter how powerful this new guy is, the good guys have the Byakugan Princess on their side. I mean no one can beat the all mighty Byakugan Princess. (Expect Rock-Kun but that was just a one-time thing that must never be mentioned)

Edited by Nostradamus, 29 May 2015 - 03:01 AM.

[Nar123]

@nar123
I agree. Naruto should learn or at least know about his elemental power, learning to infuse his rasengan with it, and learn about sm.
All of it doesn't mean naruto is mastering it but more like he learn that for two years, but can't manage to master it until kakashi give a hand on him(rasenshuriken) and he goes to myobokuzan mountain to train sm.

So kishi doesn't need to utilize kb training since that method is kitten. And mastering sm in what? A week?

 

Yeah, it would be great if the actual MC had some kind of variety in his attacks 

I mean it was cool when Naruto used his clones to fool enemies and such but then when he got OP he just mainly made a lot of clones made then use rasengan and spammed the atttack 

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Yeah, it would be great if the actual MC had some kind of variety in his attacks 
I mean it was cool when Naruto used his clones to fool enemies and such but then when he got OP he just mainly made a lot of clones made then use rasengan and spammed the atttack 

In Moba, cloner is the strongest character. While initially they weak againt area of effect, once they reach peak level and get the right gear they are practically unstoppable.

I don't have any problem with that. My only problem is naruto lack action for two hundred chapters before his true fight with pein.
Before that, it just to demonstrate his attack like Osama rasengan, losing consciousness to show Kyubi power, and to show the power of rasenshuriken.

While sasuke rekt team seven, own fodder, beat kage killer, beat his brother and fight a 2nd strongest jinchuriki. And don't forget he own the (weak) orochimaru and absorb his ability. All of it happen before pein arc.

There are a reason why people questioning naruto status as protagonist in his own manga to the point studio clown that hate sasuke use shikamaru to make fun of it.

Edited by rocci, 29 May 2015 - 03:03 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@inuyasha
Naruto is foreshadow to use Kyubi chakra and fight as jinchuriki since his first training with jiraiya. he must utilize his gift.
The problem happen when naruto as protagonist and title character in shonen battle manga doesn't get his own battle. I don't count naruto goes four tail as his battle.
Kishi doesn't use the subbos to fight naruto to show naruto progress since rescue garra arc is mean to show sakura progress.

Some people want to use his own power and not use Kyubi. Sorry I disagree with that. Naruto must use Kyubi power.

I never said Naruto should never use Kurama's chakra.

("That's not to say learning how to use and control it in general is bad for a tight spot, but making it pretty much Naruto's only source of power, and against an organization whose goal it was was to capture the Biju/Jinchuriki and clearly had members who can directly counter their target Biju/Jinchuriki in some way, only would help put Naruto at a great disadvantage against any Akatsuki members he came up against.")

I said that he should not rely on it like he was foolishly trained to do by Jiraiya, and still does even now, and should have also learned to do other things to bolster his skill set and fighting ability so that Kurama's chakra didn't come off like the convenient deus ex machina crutch it tended to be. A bunch of Naruto's fights would have left him crippled or dead were it not for convenient Kurama chakra usage rather than Naruto using his own skills or other abilities to avoid ending up in such situations to begin with.

As Nar123 said, this is largely due to bad execution and/or rushing.
 

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@inuyasha
Base on the characterization of naruto in this manga, the only ability he should learn beside rasengan is fuuinjutsu, the uzumaki one. But I always see it as the last thing he would learn.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

@inuyasha
Base on the characterization of naruto in this manga, the only ability he should learn beside rasengan is fuuinjutsu, the uzumaki one. But I always see it as the last thing he would learn.

Yeah though I wish he would have learned more Wind-Style Jutsu.

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Yeah though I wish he would have learned more Wind-Style Jutsu.

Well, I don't mean it to be wind jutsu, but sealing jutsu.
Eventhought it would be much more fun if he learn it.
I think the problem with naruto fighting style is he's truly slow before learning sm or Kyubi mode.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@inuyasha
Base on the characterization of naruto in this manga, the only ability he should learn beside rasengan is fuuinjutsu, the uzumaki one. But I always see it as the last thing he would learn.

Most likely, because it requires patience and years of practice, which Naruto is quite impatient.

And I don't meant to imply he should learn a million different things in every area either, like becoming another Itachi or something, but he should've had a noticeable increase in his arsenal like Sasuke did at the very least instead of just a single, bigger variation of the Rasengan (Odama Rasengan). It would not have been impossible or that hard either overall. Naruto's character also showed that, while he may not be the academic type who learns based on simply being told what to do, once he gets the basics down, he can learn things pretty quickly via practical lessons and the Kage Bunshin enhances that greatly. Jiraiya could've potentially taught, or at least tried to teach Naruto a number of things during those 2 1/2 years. I mean, this is the kid who spent hours practicing the Rasengan and managed to generally get it down after just a week of all that practice as opposed to months/years like Jiraiya and Minato needed (even if Naruto can't fully do it "alone", needing Kage Bunshin and such) and got tree walking down pretty quickly after Sakura managed to simplify the explanation for him and such.