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[Princess Iris]

I just read this thread's last pages where users are saying, "shounen is sexist"
actually, with my experience I see many audience as that & mangAkas are all professionals ....they want money so they do what Audience want...may be Hinata's fan service, and many other characters not being in just Naruto but also in other mangas gives them more money

I hAVe heard many people saying "The female must be hot" by many male fans.

This mostly comes from editor
and TBH, Shounen isn't only comic that supports fan service.
Fan service seems to be quite prominent in almost means of entertainment, whether it be a shounen manga or DC or marvel or Hollywood or any other ( )
Is entertainment getting dirtier? Yes, but that's what audience demand. I have heard this many times " The heroine is so sexy "
And yep, the top magazine covers?


I place my question here: What should we infer from this? Audience need to be blamed or the makers & audience as a whole?

[ultranx]

I just read this thread's last pages where users are saying, "shounen is sexist"
actually, with my experience I see many audience as that & mangAkas are all professionals ....they want money so they do what Audience want...may be Hinata's fan service, and many other characters not being in just Naruto but also in other mangas gives them more money

I hAVe heard many people saying "The female must be hot" by many male fans.

This mostly comes from editor
and TBH, Shounen isn't only comic that supports fan service.
Fan service seems to be quite prominent in almost means of entertainment, whether it be a shounen manga or DC or marvel or Hollywood or any other ( )
Is entertainment getting dirtier? Yes, but that's what audience demand. I have heard this many times " The heroine is so sexy "
And yep, the top magazine covers?


I place my question here: What should we infer from this? Audience need to be blamed or the makers & audience as a whole?

well even though people have said dragon ball was sexist, I don't think they can use that argument much anymore unless they only consider the manga, since xenoverse and dragon ball heroes both made female super saiyans a thing xD (plus the idea was originally from dragon ball online, and the story was made by toriyama for that when it was still online so he most likely came up with the idea xD )

Edited by ultranx, 27 August 2015 - 09:25 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

No matter what....Sasuke can do no wrong.

Let me repeat that. Whether it be in the story or the fanbases

SASUKE CAN DO NO WRONG.

[RedFaction]

No matter what....Sasuke can do no wrong.

Let me repeat that. Whether it be in the story or the fanbases

SASUKE CAN DO NO WRONG.

Well, Sasuke is the #2 hated character of any series.

 

At least on this website anyway: http://www.anime-pla...cters/top-hated

Edited by RedFaction, 28 August 2015 - 03:38 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, Sasuke is the #2 hated character of any series.

 

At least on this website anyway: http://www.anime-pla...cters/top-hated

That is why he is hated...because he is never held account for anything bad. He could murder Naruto, tears his skin off and wear it like a suit and  masturbate...and people will STILL find some excuse or reason to either blame Itachi or something to excuse his actions.

[RedFaction]

That is why he is hated...because he is never held account for anything bad. He could murder Naruto, tears his skin off and wear it like a suit and  masturbate...and people will STILL find some excuse or reason to either blame Itachi or something to excuse his actions.

Yeah. He's a terrible, awful, despicable character, but at least this shows that there are still plenty of sane people in the world that know he's horrible.

 

In the context of the manga, of course Sasuke can do whatever he wants and gets away with it but that's because Kishi x Sasuke is canon and all we get is Uchiha wanking.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

No matter what....Sasuke can do no wrong.

Let me repeat that. Whether it be in the story or the fanbases

SASUKE CAN DO NO WRONG.

*Sasuke looks up while cannibalizing Naruto's corpse and pissing on Sakura's* "Yeah..sorry..."

*nutter fans instantly swoon and talk about what a great friend he is and how much he truly loves Sakura by doing so*

[James S Cassidy]

*Sasuke looks up while cannibalizing Naruto's corpse and pissing on Sakura's* "Yeah..sorry..."

*nutter fans instantly swoon and talk about what a great friend he is and how much he truly loves Sakura by doing so*

*pinches the bridge of my nose*

I still can't believe how everything is now....

Seriously, I really want to know, have people lost their minds?

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

*pinches the bridge of my nose*

I still can't believe how everything is now....

Seriously, I really want to know, have people lost their minds?

 

Sadly, I think that is the case, James. HalfDemonInuyasha and I have discussed this a lot, and we think it's obvious that people have lost their mind. It is like the opposite to what was the point to Infinite Crisis from DC and that being that no matter what, everyone has to take responsibility for their actions as well as the fact everyone can make mistakes, but we got to LEARN from them. =/ It sucks that Kishi had to be in such favor of Sasuke he basically ignored who the real protagonist of Naruto is supposed to be!

[Nostradamus]

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

[Nar123]

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

 

This.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

 

I guess that means Kishi has it going for him, Nostradamus.

[Narufan85]

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

 

Yeah. This x 100.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

Definitely...not to start such a flame war, but I see this a lot with Kirito fanboys/girls with Sword Art Online, acting like everything Kirito does is somehow so "awesome", "justified", and so on. They're the ones that say the Mother's Rosario Arc is somehow the worst arc simply because Kirito doesn't have much of a presence in it while thinking the ALO/GGO Arcs are the best simply because he's the one who constantly hogs the spotlight and getting haxed and such.

[James S Cassidy]

 

Sadly, I think that is the case, James. HalfDemonInuyasha and I have discussed this a lot, and we think it's obvious that people have lost their mind. It is like the opposite to what was the point to Infinite Crisis from DC and that being that no matter what, everyone has to take responsibility for their actions as well as the fact everyone can make mistakes, but we got to LEARN from them. =/ It sucks that Kishi had to be in such favor of Sasuke he basically ignored who the real protagonist of Naruto is supposed to be!

I am just very disgusting I have no words anymore...it used to be that people can be flawed and can change from them, but now..."no one is flawed and it is actually the world that is the problem." It's this new generation where most of the kids think they are infallible and you can't blame them for everything. Kids are becoming weaklings because they can't handle it.
 

 

Definitely...not to start such a flame war, but I see this a lot with Kirito fanboys/girls with Sword Art Online, acting like everything Kirito does is somehow so "awesome", "justified", and so on. They're the ones that say the Mother's Rosario Arc is somehow the worst arc simply because Kirito doesn't have much of a presence in it while thinking the ALO/GGO Arcs are the best simply because he's the one who constantly hogs the spotlight and getting haxed and such.

 

I like Kirito for different reasons, but I see what you are saying. To me, Kirito reminds me of me a little. A kind of closeted gamer individual that meets a girl in a video game. When the game becomes life or death, he learns to appreciate life a little better. The story is not of a character becoming good at video games, but rather that video games shouldn't interfere with your real life. After SAO, you notice Kirito becomes more involved with the world and involved with real life incidents.

Sure, it may not always be represented perfectly, but I kind of like it.
 

 

I would say this is called the fanboy syndrome. When you are a fanboy of someone or something you ignore everything bad about that someone or something. And make excuses for that someone or something being the way he/she/it is.

I hate fanboys so much. I know this sounds bad and probably a liar, but I never saw myself as a fanboy because I never saw anything as "flawless." Yeah, I have bypassed flaws in faith that the rest with make up for it, but never really ignored it saying "it is perfect." It's like me and Duke Nukem Forever. Yeah Duke Nukem Forever is flawed and is not a "10/10 game," but I don;t believe it deserves a 3/10 either. It deserves 7/10 at least. I love the game, I had tons of fun, and had no issues. Also like me and being a Halo Fanboy. I love Halo, but not every game was perfect. I don;t really like Halo 4 that well in terms of gameplay and Halo 2 was lackluster. Too much Hype.

I just wish we get out of this phase because it starting o give a bad name to real fans.

[Shadow Wolf]

You know... even though I haven't read the new manga, I did see bits of panels here and there. My conclusion is that Sakura shows all the symptoms of depression and resignation. I don't know... both Naruto and Sakura feel like the reflection of Kishi while Sasuke and Hinata are like Studio Pierrot, but I may be going a bit off-topic.

 

16 years... even though people may be a bit more mature than earlier, I think the decisions they take are also a bit "heart-followed" and not "mind-followed". They say love is not logical; but I submit that it is. After all, if love was not logical, then Sakura and Naruto are the prime examples of a life without logic in love. No matter what happens or how someone treats you, you should still love them because love is not logical.

 

Anyway, with that said, to me every character deserves a bit of hate for specific reasons: Naruto for being such and idiot, Sakura for being pretty much a beggar of love, and Sasuke for being and bastard and getting away with it countless times (I could say the same about Hinata, but meh.. satellite).

 

So why is Sakura receiving so much hate? Because she deserves it? Because of what she did or didn't do? How about because she reminds people of an actual problem with society today? All of these are some of the reasons. But to me, the reason why Sakura is hated is because, like some other members have said: she has put up with this ever since Shippuden started and she has done absolutely nothing about it. Hence: resignation and depression. These are the reasons as to why I believe she behaves like this.

[sushi.]

I can understand why ending-Sakura gets a lot of hate, but one thing I see a lot from Sasuke fans is that they blame her for marrying Sasuke and making him unhappy. I know that the way she expresses her love for him is very guilt-tripping, but Sasuke never felt sorry for her, him falling into that trap is OOC. It seems that is what happened, but;

 

I am both pro-Sasuke and pro-Sakura, and those two fandoms don't often like both characters. I totally understand, but I am a bit tired of people blaming their marriage on their characters ~ as if they are real people with minds of their own, and not pen and paper puppets controlled by the creator, who is again controlled by the companies he works for, because said companies want to extend the series with 'popular' ships/characters until it's completely dried out. It would've been alright if SS's tragic marriage made sense for how their characters were written, but since retcon=blame lies from an outside source and not within the Naruto universe.

 

But let's say the blame is on Sakura, a lot of people with these ^opinions excuse Sasuke from being away from his family because he is not happy with them, as if Sakura literally forced him into it.  I want Sasuke to be happy, but since he did agree to marry/have a child with her, he is responsible for the results whether he gave into pressure or not.

 

I understand the 'blaming the author' argument can often be an excuse, but fans often pick and choose where to blame the author and where to blame the characters, and I think that is more unfair than trying to see it from a bigger perspective, instead of targeting one character for ruining everything. It is inaccurate to say this ending catered to characters like Hinata, Sakura, or Sasuke. If so, they would've been in character and not OOC, accomplished their goals and they would've been happy. How could you say this ending catered to Hinata when she got married to a piece of kitten? This ending only catered to fandoms.

Edited by sushi., 29 August 2015 - 04:40 PM.

[rocci]

I swear, the whole sexist is Shounen or whatever sounds like an excuse to defend Naruto.

It's an excuse to defend naruto.

But shonen itself may be "sexist", because it caters to boys.
So you will see developed female body (even when the mc is female character) and the fact that all of them droll over the male main character.
Just like shojo make boys super handsome, cool, hot, and for some reason droll over the female main character.

@sushi
That what she want sushi, to marry naruto even if he's a scumbag.
I think the sasuke fan who hate sakura is from the non ss ship.

Edited by rocci, 29 August 2015 - 10:51 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's an excuse to defend naruto.

But shonen itself may be "sexist", because it caters to boys.
So you will see developed female body (even when the mc is female character) and the fact that all of them droll over the male main character.
Just like shojo make boys super handsome, cool, hot, and for some reason droll over the female main character.

@sushi
That what she want sushi, to marry naruto even if he's a scumbag.
I think the sasuke fan who hate sakura is from the non ss ship.

I can deal with that. Just give me cool and developed female characters.

[rocci]

I can deal with that. Just give me cool and developed female characters.

They are many of them. Sometimes they are the heroine and sometimes they're not.