502 replies to this topic

[James S Cassidy]

Well, his point of view is much stronger than Tobirama's art mistake because this happened throughout the whole chapter of clones having no orbs, including a page of them. So, that's a lot of instance that his argument may be truly legit. Though you can be right that it's an error but the chance isn't 50/50, just maybe 30.

lol. I like how when I point out inconsistencies, I get told alot it is an artist inconsistencies, but someone else brings up a simialr idea and apparently it is not an artist oversight.

Of course, I wouldn't want to be that artist that had to draw hundreds and hundres of black balls for a good 30-50 different Naruto drawings with some that could potentially block the view of the scene.

Even the original Naruto didn't always have the blacks balls drawn even in this chapter shows the original not always having the black balls circling.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 July 2014 - 02:53 PM.

[Princess Iris]

Making it clear...i do think real Naruto is in ice dimension...considering what obito said
To Sakura
"It all depends on u"
Now why would he say so if Real Naruto is already there to find Sasuke
As Naruto can easily sense Sasuke's chakra
And obito wont have to depend on Sakura if Naruto was there...and he said all clones vanished
OBVIOUSLY he was talkin bout desert dimension

[Change]

I think so too, but there's a chance that it only his clone.

Yes but I think what the real Naruto said while she was going to the other dimension is getting overlooked 

"And now it's time for my real body to go"(MS)

"I, the real one will go"(MP)

[TouKen4Life3g]

lol. I like how when I point out inconsistencies, I get told alot it is an artist inconsistencies, but someone one else brings up a simialr idea and apparently it is no an artist oversight.

Of course, I wouldn't want to be that artist that had to draw hundreds and hundres of black balls for a good 30-50 different Naruto drawings with some that could potentially block the view of the scene.

Lol black balls...

Anyway, I wouldn't go against you. I mean you could have been right, but it was one shot. This one has been going throughout the chapter. That's something to buy in. In fact, it almost feels like we have to find the clue in his art like those castles and lack of something from clones. Of course I can be wrong, but that's what seems to be the case.

It would be funny if the very next chapter just have Naruto's clones disappearing and go "Oh there we go. I was about to say."

[Nate River]

Naruto's clones have gotten more durable as the series has progressed... still considering it's a jutsu, that's probably why "he" died the way he did. If the real Naruto made it into the dimension, no one but himself knows about it.

I don't know that's the case. The outer limits have never been defined, so I it's as strong or as fragile as is needed for the moment.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, if that was the real one, that got to hurt horribly.

[Princess Iris]

Yes but I think what the real Naruto said while she was going to the other dimension is getting overlooked 
"And now it's time for my real body to go"(MS)
"I, the real one will go"(MP)

Yes but I think what the real Naruto said while she was going to the other dimension is getting overlooked 
"And now it's time for my real body to go"(MS)
"I, the real one will go"(MP)

It. May be to confuse the readers or kaguya

[六道仙人]

the point is that we only see that the original body (the one with black balls) thought that... But when we see the naruto being sucked by kaguya's S/T technique, he hasn't any black balls... So it was a clone... But it's always interesting that original naruto said that and also he was looking for Sasuke there... There's a trick here, you see... Naruto can sense Sasuke, Sakura and Obito not...that's the point...

 

or maybe the original naruto, with "I, the original, will go!" meant to go where there's Hinata and save her

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I was wondering if real Naruto have the same plan as Naruto's clone.

[rocci]

Yes but I think what the real Naruto said while she was going to the other dimension is getting overlooked 
"And now it's time for my real body to go"(MS)
"I, the real one will go"(MP)

If the real one in the frozen world, then he doesn't make it when he try to cross dimension.

[Change]

It. May be to confuse the readers or kaguya

But I'm talking about this

okay

[六道仙人]

If the real one in the frozen world, then he doesn't make it when he try to cross dimension.

 

but that wasn't the original... As you can see, it was a clone, becase he hadn't any black balls with him... Kishimoto tricked us by putting that panel of original naruto's thought and put next a naruto who's following kaguya into her dimension... He fooled the reader... one is the original, the other is a clone.

[James S Cassidy]

Lol black balls...

Anyway, I wouldn't go against you. I mean you could have been right, but it was one shot. This one has been going throughout the chapter. That's something to buy in. In fact, it almost feels like we have to find the clue in his art like those castles and lack of something from clones. Of course I can be wrong, but that's what seems to be the case.

It would be funny if the very next chapter just have Naruto's clones disappearing and go "Oh there we go. I was about to say."

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the clones though if the clones could never have those black balls? That would literally have Naruto painting a target on himself saying "This is the real me." I don't know, that would defeat the purpose of the clones and I don't think Kaguya would be that stupid not to notice that kind of detail.

If you really look, even the original only has like 2 panels with the black balls behind him and one panel is directly after the other one where the balls are there in one panel and then disappear in another.

I am not saying the one that got hit is not a clone, but rather using the black balls as a clear tell on whether or not it is a clone is a terrible indicator
 

the point is that we only see that the original body (the one with black balls) thought that... But when we see the naruto being sucked by kaguya's S/T technique, he hasn't any black balls... So it was a clone... But it's always interesting that original naruto said that and also he was looking for Sasuke there... There's a trick here, you see... Naruto can sense Sasuke, Sakura and Obito not...that's the point...

 

or maybe the original naruto, with "I, the original, will go!" meant to go where there's Hinata and save her

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/684/12

Here is this page where it is the same Naruto and in two panels one is drawn with the balls and one without and it is the same one that is being sucked into the vortex.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 July 2014 - 03:06 PM.

[rocci]

 
but that wasn't the original... As you can see, it was a clone, becase he hadn't any black balls with him... Kishimoto tricked us by putting that panel of original naruto's thought and put next a naruto who's following kaguya into her dimension... He fooled the reader... one is the original, the other is a clone.

Well I think you are right on this one ^^;

Edit :
Yes, you are right. I just check the clone from the other chapter.
Clone doesn't has ball.

Edited by rocci, 09 July 2014 - 03:06 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We going to be here for a while...

Maybe Kishi skipped a panel of Naruto real one going in, so we only buy that only one went through. Still, how did that Naruto survive through transfer?

[Princess Iris]

But I'm talking about this

okay

Yeah i m talking about that but it wasn't real Naruto....cuz real Naruto has black balls at his back......may be he changed his plan

[Change]

Yeah i m talking about that but it wasn't real Naruto....cuz real Naruto has black balls at his back......may be he changed his plan

The one who said it was the real Naruto, as you can see he has black balls

We "saw" a clone go in

What we don't know if the real Naruto also went in or not 

[六道仙人]

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the clones though if the clones could never have those black balls? That would literally have Naruto painting a target on himself saying "This is the real me." I don't know, that would defeat the purpose of the clones and I don't think Kaguya would be that stupid not to notice that kind of detail.

If you really look, even the original only has like 2 panels with the black balls behind him and one panel is directly after the other one where the balls are there in one panel and then disappear in another.

I am not saying the one that got hit is not a clone, but rather using the black balls as a clear tell on whether or not it is a clone is a terrible indicator
 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/684/12

Here is this page where it is the same Naruto and in two panels one is drawn with the balls and one without and it is the same one that is being sucked into the vortex.

 

 

 

i already explained that was a trick from the autor...you can see in double spread there's the naruto original since he has black balls..... Kishimodo made us to think that the one who's following kaguya was the original but that wasn't so... the clue here is the black balls...

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of the clones though if the clones could never have those black balls? That would literally have Naruto painting a target on himself saying "This is the real me." I don't know, that would defeat the purpose of the clones and I don't think Kaguya would be that stupid not to notice that kind of detail.

If you really look, even the original only has like 2 panels with the black balls behind him and one panel is directly after the other one where the balls are there in one panel and then disappear in another.

I am not saying the one that got hit is not a clone, but rather using the black balls as a clear tell on whether or not it is a clone is a terrible indicator
 
http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/684/12

Here is this page where it is the same Naruto and in two panels one is drawn with the balls and one without and it is the same one that is being sucked into the vortex.

 

I see.

Well, if it is part of the point, then yeah, I guess that's the plan we just witnessed. That said what I want to know is that we saw Naruto entering the portal. Maybe it is a clone, maybe it is not, but let's try to break it down.

- If the one that went inside was a clone, why it didn't disappear?
- if the one that went inside was in fact the real one, yet the clone took the death, where is the real one?
- if the one that went inside was in fact the real one and gets killed, how come the clones are still around?

If you go by that Naruto was in fact a clone that Kaguya killed, where did it come from? Obito's or the one that went to that portal?

[Change]

 

 

i already explained that was a trick from the autor...you can see in double spread there's the naruto original since he has black balls..... Kishimodo made us to think that the one who's following kaguya was the original but that wasn't so... the clue here is the black balls...

But that still doesn't make any sense

Why send a clone to help Sakura and Obito get into Obito's dimension but then getting rekt. When they need Naruto to sense where Sasuke is