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[Otaru]

I'm not really convinced that he's skirting around the issue. The endgame is already very obvious, it's too late to keep the suspense. I honestly don't think that the majority of the Naruto fans in Japan think NH as a plausible endgame pairing anymore (must ask Megi's opinion though). In other words, to keep skirting around the issue has no effect whatsoever and it only makes NS look like a badly developed pairing if everything is only going to get resolved at the very end.

I am sure that he's trying to fit Sakura into the role of Naruto's wife (not love interest, not heroine, but wife) with the way he has carefully constricted the parallels of Kushina/Sakura. And I think that is precisely the reason why we don't have any lovey dovey scenes or Sakura heroine moment scene. It's because Sakura is portrayed as a typical (Japanese) wife/partner who supports her working husband in the background (ex. Healing). In Japanese, there is a saying called 内助の功. It's a word meaning the "achievement of a woman supporting her husband in the background leading him to his success". In Japan, people believe that behind every successful man there is this type of wife. Whenever I see the way he portrays Sakura, this is the word I instantly come up with because it's obvious Kishi praises these types of women and his wife is one of them as well. But damn, if this is what Sakura will be relegated to, I prefer she be portrayed as the heroine instead, even at the cost of NaruSaku not happening. I liked her character as Sakura, not as Naruto's wife like Kishi is trying to portray her to be.

On another note, I thought that the lack of interaction between Naruto and Sakura/Obito might actually be because something is going to happen to either Sakura/Obito, and that when that something happens, the recovery scene will be shown as flashback.

Also, has anyone else wondered that the mark on Naruto and Sasuke's hand is quite similar to that of their clan symbol? Naruto's mark is a circle without the swirl in it, and Sasuke's black moon mark is shown as part of the Uchiha crest. I wonder if there might be some relevance to the Haruno clan mark?

 

I think you're very right about that.
This feeling was intense when Sakura talked at Naruto's place to the alliance.

[Nate River]

I'm a bit surprised that after many people complained of Sakura's power-up as ass-pull when when she has trained three whole years of it, not many people seems to have a problem with Naruto and Sasuke being handed a power-up just by sleeping.

I did.

Oh, it totally blows. Naruto's is the worse of the two since he is supposed to be the reincarnation of a dood who didn't (supposedly) have any natural ability. What was there to inherent from him besides a philosophy?

EDIT: The best part is that immediately after getting a speech about hard work and Ashura for two weeks Naruto wakes up with new abilities the very next week without having done a thing. What the hell?

Consistency, we hardly knew thee.

[Otaru]

We still have some hope? For quite I while I already made up my mind that NS is the final pairing and the only thing will change my mind if another pairing happen on panel and not because another fan say that another pairing will happen.

Other fans could use my words against me but I believe that we got so many hints and the latest one for me was when Hinata failed to arrive at Naruto's location and Kishimoto making up some silly excuses to make Sakura the only available person to assist him.

 

I was talking about hopes for an interraction between Naruto and Sakura about her saving his life, I wasn't talking about NaruSaku happening or not.

 

 

 

I did.

Oh, it totally blows. Naruto's is the worse of the two since he is supposed to be the reincarnation of a dood who didn't (supposedly) have any natural ability. What was there to inherent from him besides a philosophy?

EDIT: The best part is that immediately after getting a speech about hard work and Ashura for two weeks Naruto wakes up with new abilities the very next week without having done a thing. What the hell?

Consistency, we hardly knew yee.

 

 

To me, it's Hagoromo that gave them those new powers. They are not from the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra at all. They are from the rod.

Edited by Otaru, 09 April 2014 - 04:18 PM.

[Liu bie]

May be Kishi with  all the wake up NS moment stuff , he is going leave it to the Anime to refill the spaces.

[Inferno180]

Why does mangapanda say Sakumo is a helicopter father? is it a Japanese expression or did they mess up?
 
About the lack of NS, I don't really get the big deal. We were hoping for a sweet moment, not the ultimate NS foreshadowing, I think? I now see that what prevented this moment from happening was the fact that it's a shonen and they're in a middle of a battle. Shipping googles guys, but now that I think of it it wouldn't make sense to squeeze in a NS moment here. I admit...Naruto made an epic entrance and I wouldn't have changed it one bit. Now he's not in SM, are those eyes permanent or what? Hope not, honestly I think dojutsu users look a bit soulless sometimes..
 
Naruto's new power seems to be revival? I hope he won't overshadow Sakura and other medics' abilities! They worked so hard day and night, then he gets this for free, it hardly seems fair.
 
Chapter was a bit short with only 15pg, but mangakas barely have any freetime. I think it's the other series like OP that have long chapters, not Naruto that's short.
 
Can't wait til Sakura and Gaara comes back! I love them : D

I thought the ultimate ns foreshadowing so far was 631 with the Kushina sakura stuff I mean didn't kushinas foreshadow scream end pairing setup? With the minato comment saying it's possibly going to be this?

Eh good thing about the fight coming now, least the pairing anxiety will die down for now, that's a positive thing, now I'm looking forward to some acting still cannot believe guy bashed madaras skull in I mean ouch, that had to be the worst hit in the entire series, Madara better heal that otherwise that's just yessh that had to hurt.

[Nate River]

I was talking about hopes for an interraction between Naruto and Sakura about her saving his life, I wasn't talking about NaruSaku happening or not.
 
To me, it's Hagoromo that gave them those new powers. They are not from the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra at all. They are from the rod.

A possibility I've considered, but it would not change the fundamental problem. I'd still agree with ramen and conflicts with the praise hard work just got.

More so, if gifting powers is such an offense (which judging by previous chapters thread, it is) then he shouldn't get a pass here. It doesn't suddenly become okay just because it happened to someone else.

It's either a problem or it's not.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I was talking about hopes for an interraction between Naruto and Sakura about her saving his life, I wasn't talking about NaruSaku happening or not.

 

 

 

 

 

To me, it's Hagoromo that gave them those new powers. They are not from the reincarnations of Ashura and Indra at all. They are from the rod.

Yeah, it's like a key to their preference so it's given.

 

Anyway, patience is the key and you don't see me going all hot for anything. Well, I do, but not the series, *insert a picture of a person pointing directly at the camera*

[ramenanmitsu]

I have absolutely no expectation towards Naruto as the hard working, overcoming obstacles-type of hero anymore. He was such a great character in part one, and now it seems as if Kishi is tired of developing him so he'll just cover it up by giving him power-ups and defeating villains marvel comic style.

Disappointment is a huge understatement regarding this chapter.

The only big message I received from this chapter was, "No amount of hard work is ever going to make you surpass a genius."
Gai shouldn't have bothered training all his life to open the eight gates and sacrificing his life to defeat Madara. Because in the end, the two boys of prophecy is going to save the day with new powers they somehow had after they woke up. Screw hardwork. It's all about bloodline, natural talent, and destiny.

Edit: Gai looked great? No, he looked abso-kittening-lately miserable the moment he got his ass saved by the boy of prophecy who just got a power-up handed to him on a silver platter. Dying would have been a better treatment for him than living a life where he is constantly proven that his life philosophy was wrong all along.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 09 April 2014 - 04:46 PM.

[narusaku256]

Really guys, nothing has changed even if we haven't got an NS scene. The perfect conditions for NS to be canon were created by the writer himself. I presume it was not for nothing and all because he just wanted to ignore them! We will definitely get our NS moment. Something has happened between Naruto and Sakura as well as Sasuke and Karin. I am sure of it. Almost all of us know that NS is the end game right? Kishi didn't create the Kamui scenario all for nothing. There is more to that parallel page and it will be addressed sooner or later. As I said earlier 'Let's go' sounded more of like an interaction being completed and the start is yet to be shown. There is surely more to it. Yeah I know its disappointing to not get an NS moment, but its not that we won't get it from now on. There is a recovery scene and it will shown sooner or later. Just some more patience. And yes about Naruto's '+' eyes and no chakra cloak, I think the chakra of all the bijuus has blended with Naruto's own chakra and has become one. I mean that's what I think

Edited by narusaku256, 09 April 2014 - 04:38 PM.

[Nate River]

I have absolutely no expectation towards Naruto as the hard working, overcoming obstacles-type of hero anymore. He was such a great character in part one, and now it seems as if Kishi is tired of developing him so he'll just cover it up by giving him power-ups and defeating villains marvel comic style.

Disappointment is a huge understatement regarding this chapter.

The only big message I received from this chapter was, "No amount of hard work is ever going to make you surpass a genius."
Gai shouldn't have bothered training all his life to open the eight gates and sacrificing his life to defeat Madara. Because in the end, the two boys of prophecy is going to save the day with new powers they somehow had after they woke up. Screw hardwork. It's all about bloodline, natural talent, and destiny.

Edit: Gai looked great? No, he looked abso-kittening-lately miserable the moment he got his ass saved by the boy of prophecy who just got a power-up handed to him on a silver platter. Dying would have been a better treatment for him than living a life where he is constantly proven that his life philosophy was wrong all along.

Agreed. It was good until Naruto showed up. I think Kishimoto should have let Gai exit in his blaze of glory.

Nah, the lesson is that if you're the reincarnation of the son (who is, were told, became pretty great) greatest ninja to ever live, a world famous hokage, and who teachers include a two Sages, the actual Sage, the Eight-tails, and the world famous copy ninja there is no limit to what you can achieve.

And when all that fails, they'll be someone to hand you free crap.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The only big message I received from this chapter was, "No amount of hard work is ever going to make you surpass a genius."
Gai shouldn't have bothered training all his life to open the eight gates and sacrificing his life to defeat Madara. Because in the end, the two boys of prophecy is going to save the day with new powers they somehow had after they woke up. Screw hardwork. It's all about bloodline, natural talent, and destiny.

Lol that was the exactly line on which the main character of Sakurasou said after his project was rejected.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2014 - 05:05 PM.

[Nate River]

those are 3 minutes apart. Don't double post. Just Edit if you need to add.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Really guys, nothing has changed even if we haven't got an NS scene. The perfect conditions for NS to be canon were created by the writer himself. I presume it was not for nothing and all because he just wanted to ignore them! We will definitely get our NS moment. Something has happened between Naruto and Sakura as well as Sasuke and Karin. I am sure of it. Almost all of us know that NS is the end game right? Kishi didn't create the Kamui scenario all for nothing. There is more to that parallel page and it will be addressed sooner or later. As I said earlier 'Let's go' sounded more of like an interaction being completed and the start is yet to be shown. There is surely more to it. Yeah I know its disappointing to not get an NS moment, but its not that we won't get it from now on. There is a recovery scene and it will shown sooner or later. Just some more patience. And yes about Naruto's '+' eyes and no chakra cloak, I think the chakra of all the bijuus has blended with Naruto's own chakra and has become one. I mean that's what I think

In fact i could not care less about NS despite it being damaged recently i think the problem with this chapter was once again Kishi taking away the aspect of a sacrifice.
It makes less sense, since Neji died he wasnt revived, Gai with his body on the verge of becoming ashes he's going to be revived with a power given by the sage.

Go up into a key point (of no return) in the plot and then immediately go back, is one of the things Kishi is doing a lot lately.


Also to finish Gai is truly the only ninja who become insanely strong to be able to be stronger than Madara with only hard work.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2014 - 05:21 PM.

[shisui]

I have a theory that chakra is a (manifestation of one) soul.
That's why when you lose your chakra you are dead.

And sakura will have a role in this war. Try read the chunin arc, this's recycle of garra vs naruto.

Your hard on for Sakura getting hurt for the pairing subplot's sake is disturbing mate. Is that your attitude towards Hinata deciding to be meat shield in the Pain arc the same?
 

i think the mouth to mouth is special. kishi could have make sakura massage his heart and that's it, or use some ninjutsu mojo like kabuto, he's just healing sasuke using ninja magic, or like tsunade, who healed her then lover with mystical palm till he bled out. he didn't have to add the kiss of life if it is not significant, some ns fans i know are content enough with the kiss that they don't care what the pairing at the end is anymore.

It has the same relevance as the NaruSasu kiss, which is zero. It's cool if you and others are happy with it, but I expect substance out of the pairing that involves the main character, not irrelevant fluff.
 

The handhold-transfer-chakra is not an idea by Naruto himself, it was a strategy thought up by Shikaku, the power meant for everybody, had Hinata not act the human shield and did the right thing by pushing Naruto away.

A series of picture showing the strategy:
http://shipping-otak...ew-op-and-ed-be

Spare me the it was only chakra transfer lecture. I'm complaining about NaruSaku's sister trope, the CPR as well. For some of you, the symbolism you see changes with what side of the fandom you're on. For the NS fandom, the handhold is one thing while the CPR and the heart holding is another thing, while the NH fandom thinks exactly opposite.

The NaruHina handhold came with development for Hinata and the NH bond, no matter if she's stuck on the friend zone forever. The CPR got us nothing but Sakura reciting the same old story we've been hearing since the Chunin exams and in this case, Naruto wasn't around to react it. NaruSaku got the short end of the stick, again.

It's fine though, right? Minato commented Sakura was like Kushina. NAruto and Sakura's lips touched. This is why NaruSaku is known for, the development, not the irrelevant fluff only crack pairings care about (like NaruSasu). It's all that it matters. It's all that we need. I am being sarcastic.
 

Honestly though, it sounds like a lot of people are trying to make themselves feel better about the lack of NS interaction -- "Well, it wasn't the right moment," and "It makes sense because..." -- even though so many were absolutely sure Kishimoto wouldn't skip the NaruSaku recovery scene. It just feels like damage control. And then trying to find a consolation prize in a supposed NaruSaku/ SasuKarin parallel, just really?
Frankly don't see it and neither do I care about any such parallel. I'm so done with parallels at this point, I don't care if it's Kishi's 'style', it's too much and becoming little more than a cheap shortcut that no longer has any meaning or substance. Parallels are not development. Yet so many seem to treat them as it they are.

Preach it mate.

So a lot of people think my theory is bullcrap right? "That is what it is, James. You just sound desperate to find something that isn't there." Yeah, let me remind you that people said the same thing about my prediction of 662-663 almost 40 chapters ahead of schedule and let me also remind you that people said the same thing about my prediction of both Minato's words in 631 AND about the mystery man being Kabuto.

I have no idea about your past theories, but I'm confident you have as many failed theories as well.

I also called that there wouldn't be a NaruSaku moment when Naruto woke up. You don't see me bragging about it.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 09 April 2014 - 05:33 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In the end, the two boys of prophecy is going to save the day with new powers they somehow had after they woke up. Screw hardwork. It's all about bloodline, natural talent, and destiny.

Gai might use the 8 gates again and kill Madara. :)

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 April 2014 - 05:28 PM.

[Rozette]

I guess as soon as Kakashi came out of the womb they put a mask on his face. 

 

I enjoyed this chapter. As far as Naruto's new 'ability' is concerned, I have to disagree with the majority here and say that I actually like it from what we've seen so far. From my point of view, it symbolizes the 'Naruto filled the hole inside my heart' that Kakashi was telling Obito awhile back. From the shape of the image on his hand and how he touched Guy's heart just gave me that impression. Naruto has a way of filling the emptiness within people, and so.. I found that interesting.

[rocci]

@google
What I do is predicting what will happen for next event. People asking why naruto never care about sakura, because she never in dangerous situation. Look at sasuke, neji, and jiraiya.

[narusaku256]

If it was Hinata on Sakura's side, I swear the CPR would have been a kiss but when Sakura has done it why isn't it counted as a moment let alone a kiss! Just because Hinata loves Naruto and Sakura's feelings are still debated? What about Naruto's feelings? Are they pro Hinata or pro Sakura? What about the development? If NH fans can still support NH and find something positive in NH when nothing practiclly even exists for NH why can't we, despite having everything? NS is far more developed than NH, we have got the most number of canon moments, A KISS! Yes a kiss, almost all the pairing related stuff is on our side, why are we still being negative about NS and NH fans despite having too little to cling on, are being positive? I really think it should be the other way round. Yes ofcourse its okay to be disappointed, infact I am disappointed myself, but its not like it won't happen ever again.

P.S-This post is not applicable to everyone.

Edited by narusaku256, 09 April 2014 - 06:22 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I have no idea about your past theories, but I'm confident you have as many failed theories as well.

I also called that there wouldn't be a NaruSaku moment when Naruto woke up. You don't see me bragging about it.

 

Hey, at least I am not being so pessimistic right now and already jumping ship due to such little faith all because you are whining you didn't get exactly what you wanted. Hell, by the way half this forum acts, even when you get EXACTLY what you want it is not good enough.

I know the mods and admins hate when I say something like this, but I mean if you hate this manga so much or don't like the way it is going....stop reading it. You don't have to buy it or follow it. It is your choice. And please, spare me the whole "Well, you're just delusional" speech because it is not going to work on me. I could say you are just delusional from being too negative all the time.

Seriously, if you hate it...stop reading it. I hated Gurren Lagann after Kamina was killed so stopped watching that anime a long time ago. I hated Fruits Basket's writing after volume 11 so I stopped reading that as well. There are many more I could list.

I believe a strong feeling that something will be revealed related to this down the road. I feel it because Kishi has done it before and chances are he will keep doing it til the very end.

This is one thing NH have that we don't. Sure they may be delusional from time to time, but at least they are optimistic.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 April 2014 - 06:21 PM.

[luffyq1]

Parallels don't equate to jack squat, it just establishes the similarities between two people, not to mention the fact that most people called it before it's actually been established. When Naruto & Sakura have a heart-to-heart conversation, will you be thanking the parallels for progressing their relationship or the characters themselves?

 

And another thing, even if by some chance kishi decides to have a flashback of Naruto waking up, I personally wouldn't be too happy about it. As of lately it seems whenever there's a NS moment it has to be paralleled up with its less attractive "counter part". It just feels like SK is invading our exclusivity, after all, everything must be paralleled up now. Hopefully this tiresome trend will end once NS is two or three chapters away from becoming official. It kinda reminds me of Superman and Bizzaro.