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[Gojira]

Hipster Pain was killing off main characters before it became popular.

[soraandven]

Guess it is good in a sense kishi wrapped up Sasuke's recovery quickly I mean after all the business with yin kurama nearly lost to black zetsu, in hindsight, even karin with orochimaru could have healed sasuke if it had to occur, I mean tsunade was in worse shape being cut in half from madara and she literally was able to pull herself back together from help with karin and sugestsu.

 

Well its obvious Sasuke is getting the rinnegan, I mean it was capable for those to envision him getting the power and the wood style considering many references to the he is like another madara in the making have come up time and time again.

 

Now that a new rinnegan will be generated how will madara act upon this? I mean will he attempt to take sasuke's eyes after his awaken?

 

So its good that the business on healing the heroes is about done, maybe both get a short moment with their once advasary now rescuer.

 

On The Sasuke side with Kabuto, I could actually see Kabuto defending Sasuke from Orochimaru when the time comes since the Itachi event.

 

On Naruto's end, theres a lot more considering its involved with obito and i still find it funny how in all this, Sakura is still there for a possible NS moment and/or Sakura-rin potential parallel notion.

 

On one side of things though I did find something funny in the naruto saving side event, when involving Naruto, Sakura, and Gaara, all had their lives threatend in this trio and all needed saving at one point:

 

Sakura was nearly killed by Gaara but Naruto saved her

 

Gaara was killed but attempted rescue by both naruto and sakura and sakura attempted to heal him (though chiyo made things better in the end)

 

Now most recently naruto was near death with Gaara and Sakura acting to save him (though many more came to save him its funny in this situation both sakura and gaara who were once enemies ended up being the starters to the event for saving naruto).

yeah that is actually pretty funny

[manbeast101]

Orochimaru only got Hashirama's DNA from White Zetsu Clones when they were in Konoha after he summoned the Shinigami to restore his arms and to revive the past Hokages.

 

Which I still don't see how Orochimaru got cells from both the First and Second, considering they both die years before he was even born, but I think I'm just over-thinking it here.

 

I still say Sasuke getting Rinnegan is stupid and unnecessary, as well as pointless, because Naruto has already fought and defeated it twice, once against Pain/Nagato, and two, against Tobi/Obito. Plus he knows the Rinnegan's abilities and powers and knows how to counter them.

 

If anything, Naruto will gain the power of Rikudou Sennin and crush Madara, because that's who Naruto is: he makes the impossible, possible.^^ Just like Naruto will get Sakura at some point, because they are THE TWO MAIN CHARACTERS in the story. I do acknowledge that Sasuke is a main character, but he is NOT the main character, he is the rival, and will eventually be surpassed as all rivals are.

 

Also when did Naruto meet a mysterious old man? I don't remember any mention of that? Could anyone tell which chapter/episode that was mentioned?

 

I also think that Naruto will gain back Kurama's Yang Chakra as well somehow, that would be total epic in a battle, having the power of a living natural disaster, as Kurama is noted for being, would be total boss, totally help beat Madara.

 

I also think that Naruto should gain the Uzumaki Chakra Chains, because A: he is an Uzumaki, and B: He inherited all the other benefits of the Uzumaki Clan, also I just think it would be cool.^^ Because it would be like mother, like son.

 

Just as I also believe that Naruto is the reincarnation of Rikudou Sennin, or the Sage reborn, not because power wise, although I'm not saying Naruto is weak, because he is not, but because the Bijuu all believe Naruto is the one that Rikudou Sennin told them about all those years ago. About how they would meet the one who would lead them down the right path, and show them the meaning of true power.

 

edit: I also forgot to mention that Kabuto only integrated (besides Orochimaru's) the cells of Karin, Suigetsu, Juugo, and the Sound Five, NOT Hashirama's.

 

edit2:  Also as to why I say Naruto will get Sakura is because of the development and bond between them both is more than just friends.

 

Also, because it would be the ultimate way for them to surpass their mastsers, as Jiraiya & Tsunade never got together, or never got to because Pain/Nagato killed Jiraiya before they could come to terms with their feelings.

 

This is why I believe NaruSaku will happen.

Edited by tricksie, 06 March 2014 - 03:22 PM.
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[TheFirstEvil100]

 Also as to why I say Naruto will get Sakura is because of the development and bond between them both is more than just friends.

 

Also, because it would be the ultimate way for them to surpass their mastsers, as Jiraiya & Tsunade never got together, or never got to because Pain/Nagato killed Jiraiya before they could come to terms with their feelings.

 

This is why I believe NaruSaku will happen.

Oh I believe that it will happen to I mean Kishi said in an interview not too long ago that Sasuke cares for no one but himself, so that just means that SasuSaku is dead and will never happen. Which is needed I mean I for one don't trust Sasuke at all I mean as far as we know and what has been said Sasuke wants to kill Naruto and we have no idea if he has change his mind I mean we all know Sasuke changes his mind a lot,

 

but that bring up something else really if Sasuke does try it and I feel it will be after Madara is taking down that he will try to kill Naruto while his back might be turned and Sakura might see this, after all both Naruto and Sasuke came close to death and maybe Sakura should as well, not only top push her away from Sasuke once and for all but to show that Sasuke will never want Sakura and to show Naruto that Sasuke w can't be saved.

 

Plus if Obito is still alive he can see how Naruto reacts to losing to girl he love but says he won't go down that path to Sakura and if she does die Obito can just bring her back, as her staying dead a while means she might get to see Kushina which would be funny as she is coming back to life Kushina tell Sakura something along the lines. "Give me lost of granbabies."

[narusaku256]

Hey guys a bit off-topic. But can someone provide me with a reference to evidence wherein it is stated that Tsunade had begin to grow feelings for Jiraiya but before she realised he died....and yes also about Rin and Obito like she no more clings to Kakashi and recognises Obito's love. Is all this canon or have you all deduced it. Can someone please provide me some evidence to these assertions?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It'll make most sense if he dies. Gai is declaring that he'll die because he is going 8 gates, which guarantees death. Now, I'm saying it'll make most sense, not that it'll happen. There are so many plotholes already shh..this'll only be an add to the collection.

 

Kakashi's reaction was so sad thou.. : ( Gai is the last old friend he has left.

Yep, i feel like Gai is going to die in vain :(

And then Naruto and Sasuke will beat him and in the end nobody will remember

Bee

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 March 2014 - 12:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, it will be funny when Naruto wakes up, Obito looks the other side with his eye and see everyone in a different world alas moon eye plan. They'll be like "Whoops. Too late." Hm, maybe teleport everyone in Obito's dimension could help. Yeah.....

[Otaru]

Hey guys a bit off-topic. But can someone provide me with a reference to evidence wherein it is stated that Tsunade had begin to grow feelings for Jiraiya but before she realised he died....and yes also about Rin and Obito like she no more clings to Kakashi and recognises Obito's love. Is all this canon or have you all deduced it. Can someone please provide me some evidence to these assertions?

 

About Tsunade, there is this page

 

http://www.mangaread...hapter-380.html

 

I don't know if this translation is perfect, but why would she say something like that if she doesn't want to accept his love for her ? I also believe she loved him.

 

http://www.mangaread...hapter-405.html

 

She buried herself into work, to avoid thinking about him. Then when she thought about him while crying, it's very sentimental.

 

Please, someone, correct me if you think I'm wrong, but I interpreted it this way.

 

 

About Rin, it's like Sakura with Naruto.

 

http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/599/6

http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/599/7

http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/603/15

 

She admired Kakashi, like Sakura admired Sasuke.

He was the typical alpha male, super cool and all.

But she was very tender toward Obito.

Just like Sakura is with Naruto.

 

It's true it's more about deduction that canon/manga.

Edited by Otaru, 06 March 2014 - 01:36 PM.

[manbeast101]

 I know this is off topic, but does anyone think that the bench scene from chapter 3 will be resolved? Because I think that is the catalyst of Sakura's supposed feelings for Sasuke. I just feel that it needs to be resolved and the truth known.

 

edit: Um how long ago was this interview that Kishi did?

Edited by tricksie, 06 March 2014 - 03:24 PM.
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[TheFirstEvil100]

 I know this is off topic, but does anyone think that the bench scene from chapter 3 will be resolved? Because I think that is the catalyst of Sakura's supposed feelings for Sasuke. I just feel that it needs to be resolved and the truth known.

Your right it does need to be brought up and soon I mean Kishi can't just leave it.

[manbeast101]

 I also believe NaruSaku will happen is not only the parallels to Minato & Kushina with Sakura being like Kushina, but also Naruto and Sakura are the ultimate pair. What I mean by that is the Heaven and Earth thing, where Sakura is Heaven because of her intellect, and Naruto is Earth because of his body and stamina.

[tricksie]

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[Nate River]

I think that is the message, but as you say, it doesn't work.

I agree, but my reason for thinking that they way Kishimoto goes around squelching/ignoring the ideas obvious complications and problems. It doesn't help that the obvious objections and people you'd expect to raise them are ignored or are Deus Ex Machina'd out of existence. He undermines his own message when he pretend these issues don't exist. It's easy to "win" when you cheat. For me, he's shafting character development and credibility for the purity of his message.
 

Team Taka doesnt have any other purpose other than follow Sasuke, any branch of development Karin had, he destroyed by diminishing her role to a mere girl that wants to be Sasuke girfriend taking away the dignity of the character and destroying it.

For those who have seen a "Charlie Brown Christmas" there is a scene near the end where Charlie Brown puts an ornament on his sad-sack tree to try and improve it. He makes it worse and says:

"Everything I touched gets ruined."

That's about sums up Team Taka. Even when they only serve as background noise (like this chapter, it's like the suck all the life out of scene and everything is worse off for them having been apart of it. The first half of this chapter was straight up awful.

The smallest problem was Suigetsu making a joke of the obvious hypocrisy of Kabuto. I guess it was at least acknowledge, but it's symptomatic of his long standing problem of nothing taking the obvious issues seriously because it conflicts with his message. I understand Team Taka is in large part used a comedic relief, but the often ill-timed, and unfunny nature of the comedy makes hard to care about them seriously, so when it comes time to do so, I can't manage. The only way they encompass the concept "joke" is in the "please stop it, you're embarrassing yourself" kind of way.

They are one of the few things that makes less sense than Izanami.

Speaking of that: So, basically, it's Talk-No-Jutsu given true jutsu form. Stupidest jutsu of the series.

As for Kabuto, I think it might have been more effective to show him breaking Izanami than the cheap flashback and the line about finding himself. It's its great that the true "self" turns out to be pretty much the only time he was a decent human being. In fact, that works out great because otherwise I don't see the connection between that and what he's doing now. The leap from that to this is not obvious at all. I'm not sure why he returned or why he gives a damn about Sasuke. Even as his true self, Kishmoto is making leaps without explanation. I hope we get something better than this for an explanation.

I hate it because it pretty much sides steps his entire adult life as if that wasn't really him at all and never really happened to him. It's as if personality was a different guy and it's gone, so it's time to do good and help Sasuke. Being a toady who follows his leader down into the abyss could be who he is just as much as the child was. It's so weak and isn't genuine character development at all. If this is a "redemption" it has no substance.

I like him complaining about being used by Orochimaru as if he wasn't a full-fleged and willing participant and not being particularly phased that the instigator of the worst part of his life is standing right now.

As I argued before: ultimately, being you true self is portrayed as an absolute good without justifying it.

As for Sasuke: What luck, now he gets the 1st cells and it sounds like some Senjutsu too. What a fortuitous chain events! It's as contrived as Tsunade being put back together.
 

At least Gai did some cool stuff with the prospect he might do more. I don't want him to die, but I like Gai and like watching him in action. So, it wasn't a total loss.

[narusakurama]

Yep, i feel like Gai is going to die in vain :(

And then Naruto and Sasuke will beat him and in the end nobody will remember

Bee

 

I wouldn't mind if Madara were to be defeated by team Gai and Kakashi , by sealing him inside the sage's tools . It would be the most fitting way for him to lose , defeated by his own inflated ego  .Then all bijuu would be sealed along with him , leaving Naruto as the only container of any bijuu chakra . Sasuke , with rinnegan ,  would of course want to kill him because of that , and so we d get Naruto vs Sasuke as soon as they are both revived .

Edited by narusakurama, 06 March 2014 - 05:34 PM.

[Heartsbattle]

I think Gai is going to die (I mean it is a war, and it would be nice if our beloved Konoha team were untouched but... it doesn't seem to fit with the current situation), BUT I don't think it will be in vain at all. 

 

I mean, they might only seal part of the bijuu. But it will still need to be done. I don't think Naruto will be able to fight and win against Madara without Gai's (and maybe others) sacrifice. 

 

At least I think that Kishi is going to work it out that way. 

[manbeast101]

@ tricksie

Thank you for the advice I will try to remember that. Also, I apologize, it's just that I thought of those other things after I already posted a comment and I didn't know I could just add it to the previous post. Again, thank you for the advice.

[Otaru]

I think Gai is going to die (I mean it is a war, and it would be nice if our beloved Konoha team were untouched but... it doesn't seem to fit with the current situation), BUT I don't think it will be in vain at all. 

 

I mean, they might only seal part of the bijuu. But it will still need to be done. I don't think Naruto will be able to fight and win against Madara without Gai's (and maybe others) sacrifice. 

 

At least I think that Kishi is going to work it out that way. 

 

I'm sure Naruto will fight.

He's the main character after all.

Maybe he will not be able to fight immediately, but he'll fight for sure.

[Heartsbattle]

 

I'm sure Naruto will fight.

He's the main character after all.

Maybe he will not be able to fight immediately, but he'll fight for sure.

Sorry, I guess I didn't write it clearly... I meant that Gai's sacrifice will weaken Madara. Without Gai's sacrifice Madara would be too strong and Naruto wouldn't be able to beat him... maybe. 

 

It was never a question if Naruto was going to fight. I would be crazy bummed if Naruto wasn't able to fight for everyone. 

 

I just meant that Gai would help Naruto win by weakening him, and that is why his sacrifice is necessary. 

Edited by Heartsbattle, 06 March 2014 - 08:31 PM.

[rikakim94]

Gai - Meh. He's been dying since day one. Anyone who has a capability that might cost him his life is doomed to die from it during the course of the story. The real suspense is not if he uses it and succeeds, but if he survives from it. (And by succeed, I mean that he will successfully weaken Madara enough that Naruto or the ad hoc Team Minato can finish him off.)

 

Kabuto - Surprise factor: 0. Skeeve factor: 10. Welcome back, weirdo.

 

Not Team 7 - I think Kishimoto is way more attached to this team than his audience is. They're all backstabbers in some way or another. None trusts the other ones, so it's hard as a reader, to get behind them. Kishimoto clearly likes them and keeps pushing them into the story. But the team stuff is so lacking. I think I would have liked them more if Kishi had recast them as Akatsuki-like villains (monsters each in their own right, and only staying together because it served them), rather than this lukewarm "I-don't-have-anywhere-else-to-go" psuedo-team thing. I mean Juugo was terrifying when we first met him. Couldn't control himself in a jail cell. Now he's on a flippin' battlefield — shouldn't he be freaking out right now? 

 

Karin - Whatever bond or Karin/Sasuke shipping Kishimoto hinted at in the last few chapters is finished now. Karin is at a complete distance from Sasuke, no closer than any of the other Not Team 7 members, and she's being her normal Karin self about Kabuto's return. She's totally lost focus on Sasuke. Parallel this to Sakura-Naruto, and Sakura would not have jumped back, lost focus and be loud-mouthing about a new-comer. She'd be focused on Naruto, and demanding everyone else's silence and attention until he was showing signs of true recovery. If Kishi wished to further develop her role as a future companion for Sasuke, having her mature and recognize true love after having almost lost it, then that opportunity is quickly closing.

 

Oh yeah - I knew that scene back at the bridge was fishy! Kabuto was collecting dna from Sakura's four-tails wound, not just healing her so they could beat Akatsuki, like he said. So file him away as another one with some tangible kyuubi connection, whether anything comes of it or not.

 

@tricksie About team taku kishi mentioned about the company seisuha ordered him to write more about team taku because they liked the team more than kishi does.

[narusakurama]

Sorry, I guess I didn't write it clearly... I meant that Gai's sacrifice will weaken Madara. Without Gai's sacrifice Madara would be too strong and Naruto wouldn't be able to beat him... maybe. 

 

It was never a question if Naruto was going to fight. I would be crazy bummed if Naruto wasn't able to fight for everyone. 

 

I just meant that Gai would help Naruto win by weakening him, and that is why his sacrifice is necessary. 

 

How can he weaken Madara ? His technique , powerful as it may be , it is only physical dmg . And he is up against the guy that got kicked around like a football  by the tailed beasts and survived and that was before he had the ten tails inside him .