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[TouKen4Life3g]

I just thought of something:

Karin can save herself from being impaled by several large wooden spikes, but can't survive a Chidori to the heart?

I see it as a lost of disbelief (betrayal), as well as hitting it in the area that make it hard to move your body. This one is pretty much Naruto's power of love strive, no kittens given.

[Inferno180]

I should say this on who lives and who, well may not

 

Naruto and Sasuke, they will both live, they have a final battle, realistically, narutos stamina and sasuke's bleeding heart make no difference, we could get 10+ more chapters before they are revived and it would still only have been like 10 to 20 minutes since their disasters. Both are main characters, hero and anti-hero, rivals, they will live.

 

Sakura- She is the heroine, not the biggest heroine physically but definately a big mentally developed heroine, really if you fear her dying, look at the build up thread and seriously ask yourself this how can this all just vanish into nothing or one moment of a sacrifice?

 

Gaara- He is the kazekage, he knew the pain of a jinchurki and got to live unlike most others, this was his unique aspect, while we sitll dont know bees, fate Gaara will live, he is the kazekage, who do you think will support his village with naruto when naruto goes to hokage? Who do you think Gaara would support more, naruto or sasuke? Naruto obviously

 

Minato (in a sense)- Well okay, Minato by all means is already dead, I mean like his temporary existance will end sometime in the future He was rumored to have "died" in transfering Kurama, but guess that no longer applies to him and Edo tensei proved to be great once again, along with simple transfer as all that was needed. Minato will live in the sense he wont meet his end (again) by madara, he will go on to past this fight and say farewell to naruto in a meaningful way like Sasuke did with Itachi.

 

Who may not live:

 

Kakashi- in turn with things related to obito, I feel kakashi may bite the dust to be honest, kakashi would do it as a means of we all die together type deal. There are theories of kakashi dying but its kinda a neutral zone

 

Guy- People suspect he would use the 8 gates full force to die but manage to leave a mark on madara, not likely but he is a reseve strong character.

 

Obito- ok in truth obito is dying, he will die, its a matter of time, he even planned to die, he wanted to do one last act of good or rebel against madara, he should do something before he goes out. He may help in the next chapter or so but its really dependent on how he handles black zetsu, I really don't expect kishi to just have obito thud over speechless without making some difference at least upon madara to give the heroes the opportunity to save naruto.

 

But seriously Sakura isn't dying, its just how since the pots fell out from madara, its just one priority event over another possible one. I mean for anyone who knows the halo forerunner story, they couldn't just fire the rings to wipe out the flood, it would cause all life to die too So what did the forerunners do? They tried plans of containment, fighting it, cauterizing the plauge, using reserach from what they uncovered about human immunity, etc They tried millions of plans in 300 years and all failed agains the flood. By the time the war was over, the flood basically had the entire galaxy and only a few uninfected worlds remained. In the end, the forerunners had to collect thousands, many different species of countless worlds, stuck them on the arc, the main control array for the halos, it would shield them from the effects, they gathered all they could, fired the rings, wiped the galaxy clean, reseeded the worlds with the life they preserved, forerunners left the galaxy. If the rings were not to be fired, another plan would have worked. Its just chekhovs gun getting ready to fire again, if sakura was to sacrifice herself for naruto she would have the jutsu, otherwise then why did madara upchuck the pots? The pots are chekhovs gun, its the new plan in place of the old one, its not exactly kurama but naruto will be restored without a partner. Really its that simple, again, either they get yin kurama back, use the brothers kurama chakra, or somehow naruto gets both to gain a powerboost to face madara (with sasuke) later. Forget Chekhovs gun, at this rate, kishi made it chekhovs cannon.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 I have to say this chapter was more than a little disappointing, the only part I really liked was the short Minato/Kushina flashback. The comic relief with team Gai was just unnecessary and misplaced, I guess Kishi wanted to lighten the mood after the intensity of chapter 663, but TenTen's joke about Neji "leaving her alone," was pretty tasteless. That part could have just been left out.

 

no but seriously guys....did this just happen.

 

 

really? No one has a problem with this!?

 

Yeah, when I saw that I was just . Did he seriously just do that? He's probably going to end up sealed in that pot, or whatever it's called, is my guess. And he doesn't even pause to think he may have just handed the alliance the means to defeat him. Madara's become such a cliché, cocky villain, not even the least bit interesting at this point.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I just keep needing to say it:

Sakura doesn't know chiyos technique, this technique died with Chiyo. Sakuras isn't going to die, literally I'm suprised even some people here still consider this impossible thought will come. Sakura isn't going to die, I made myself clear many times why this was impossible and unneeded, even mentioning the collateral effects of what it does with hinata.


Guys let's work this out piece by peace.....

-Remember what sakura did last chapter? She is keeping his blood pumping, in truth sakura is his life support. She needs to keep him going or else thats it naruto dies. If sakura dies, naruto dies, end of the story.

I think Naruto is already dead, Sakura cant keep pumping Naruto's heart any longer, the whole thing is already ridiculous, but keeping like that forever is more ridiculous than Madara's asspulls.
Sakura's technique probably is a temporary measure to keep Naruto's alive until Kurama is sealed, i doubt that Sakura can keep that any longer becuase she was running out of chakra and it's temporary.

Because theorically it could keep any person alive.

-If sakura had too, she would just do it, otherwise this original plan from kurama never would have occurred. That was the first deal, but this is what happened this chapter.

-because black zetsu trolled minato, (literally that's the perfect face for him this chapter someone should make troll zetsu pic) that was as we can see, a failed plan but then madara up chucks the mother of all loogies and literally drops, and I mean literally drops the next plot device on guy and lee. It's not what those tools do, they arn't going to just cut this down without a fight. Did people forget what was in these pots? Kinakku and ginkakku, this is the sudden other twist of the chapter, team guy literally got something to save naruto, it's essentially a kurama chakra first aid kit, they just don't know the way to open it yet.

Sakura is not going to die because it doesnt make sense it'sn ot tied to her role towards Naruto since i doubt she can keep it, i think stuff will only get dramatic because of Naruto's imminent death.
Kinkaku and Ginkaku if i remember Naruto took that chakra away when he pulled off the bijuus so he got the chakra from those guys back.

See what I mean? There's already another element in play negating the need for sakura to just sacrifice herself, it's not needed, and again, I spoke several times why it could be obito who did it for many other better reasons, did people still forget he is dying? If he was able he could muster the power for one last rinne tensei even! I mean god sakes, talk about triple irony but did black zetsu just unwillingly give obito the means to stop his rampage? I mean obito can control kurama, he knows how, if anything I would not be suprised if he tries to use yin kurama or cause some kind of interference with Madara.

I believe if someome would die it would be rather Obito or even Kakashi because he saw the seals of the technique with his sharingan and his will to do whatever it takes for Naruto to succeed even if it takes his life.

Guys, guys guys, sakura isn't going to sacrifice herself, she's still pumping narutos heart, sakura being life support well she is the one thing keeping naruto from death and the afterworld itself. What can we count on? Madara is a guy who is arrogant and prideful, he never even seriously fought against ohnoki when ohnoki was a kid. He grew bored with the Kages as he no longer wanted to wait on them after the full sussano came out and obito initiated the ten tails revival. Madaras just going to boast, give some evil speech of why it's hopeless or why do the heroes try but seriously. He's not going to chase after naruto nor sakura, he would think it was pathetic for what she tried to do. Even then Kakashi, minato, and gaara are there to fight him despite having no chance along with guy, lee, and tenten in reserve even though only guy really adds a slight chance of a lasting a few more seconds.

Of course not, she has no chakra and doesnt know any techniques that could do it.

[Inferno180]

I think Naruto is already dead, Sakura cant keep pumping Naruto's heart any longer, the whole thing is already ridiculous, but keeping like that forever is more ridiculous than Madara's asspulls.
Sakura's technique probably is a temporary measure to keep Naruto's alive until Kurama is sealed, i doubt that Sakura can keep that any longer becuase she was running out of chakra and it's temporary.

Because theorically it could keep any person alive.

Sakura is not going to die because it doesnt make sense it'sn ot tied to her role towards Naruto since i doubt she can keep it, i think stuff will only get dramatic because of Naruto's imminent death.
Kinkaku and Ginkaku if i remember Naruto took that chakra away when he pulled off the bijuus so he got the chakra from those guys back.

I believe if someome would die it would be rather Obito or even Kakashi because he saw the seals of the technique with his sharingan and his will to do whatever it takes for Naruto to succeed even if it takes his life.

Of course not, she has no chakra and doesnt know any techniques that could do it.

 

At this point its it doesn't matter how long naruto and sauske are down, even if its been 10 or 20 minutes, they will most likely be up within 10 chapters. Soonest would be the end of the volume.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

At this point its it doesn't matter how long naruto and sauske are down, even if its been 10 or 20 minutes, they will most likely be up within 10 chapters. Soonest would be the end of the volume.

Actually Kishi never explained why Jinchuurikis die when they lose their bijuus.
He only said they die because of the stress of a bijuu leaving your body however due to Sakura's treatment, Naruto's internal organs or his organism is fine.
Is due to chakra loss?
if it is then replenishing Naruto's chakra would not be capable of healing him?
Because if that's so Sakura's healing ninjutsu should have work.
Naruto's is dying from an unknown reason or like i say magically.

In all honestly it's flawed and Kishi put that because during most part of the story Naruto always rejected the kyuubi and it's power, if Kishimoto didnt put this risk of "jinchuuriki dying" he would have give up his jinchuuriki status long time ago since he rejected it until the war arc because he viewed it as a problem and a power that only hurt his friends.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 12 February 2014 - 05:35 PM.

[Kster95]

Why are people questioning the translations they are basically saying the exact same thing. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thankfully for this chapter to be a buildup for the next one, I can rest easy. Last week got me busy with tumblr and others. Now, I can rest. Ah....

[Nate River]

I have to say this chapter was more than a little disappointing, the only part I really liked was the short Minato/Kushina flashback. The comic relief with team Gai was just unnecessary and misplaced, I guess Kishi wanted to lighten the mood after the intensity of chapter 663, but TenTen's joke about Neji "leaving her alone," was pretty tasteless. That part could have just been left out.
 
 
Yeah, when I saw that I was just . Did he seriously just do that? He's probably going to end up sealed in that pot, or whatever it's called, is my guess. And he doesn't even pause to think he may have just handed the alliance the means to defeat him. Madara's become such a cliché, cocky villain, not even the least bit interesting at this point.

Either were getting schooled with a massive red herring or this is one of the most obvious Cherkov's Gun I have seen in some time.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, then Karin wouldn't have anything to worry about, if that's the case. Tobirama would have help Sasuke if he was no longer paralyzed, let alone let Tobirama do the work rather than seeing that guy approaching Sasuke. But I could be wrong. Then again, if you look at first panel, the headband still has the rod sticking in, well, without showing it but you can tell by the round area. I don't know if I can explain well, but yeah, I think it is an error.

Or it is taking a long time to regenerate after getting hit with that like what happened with Sarutobi who went missing after being hit by Obito and we all thought was dead, but apparently just had hard time reforming back.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Or it is taking a long time to regenerate after getting hit with that like what happened with Sarutobi who went missing after being hit by Obito and we all thought was dead, but apparently just had hard time reforming back.

That works too. Hm...it almost feels like Kishi did it on purpose, only to either leave it or fix it in the volume edition. It is the magazine edition. Next week should be a twist/climax of this whole thing.

[MangaReader]

Man I had a pun last night for this chapter...but I can't remember it ಠ╭╮ಠ  

 

Anyway, TenTen's comment about Neji makes me think Kishi really didn't like him much 

[Otaru]

I just rememberer something...

 

The Kin/Gin brothers. They don't have Kyuubi's chakra anymore.

Obito took it to them a while ago.

Edited by Otaru, 12 February 2014 - 06:10 PM.

[Nostradamus]

I just rememberer something...

 

The Kin/Gin brothers. They don't have Kyuubi's chakra anymore.

Obito took it to them a while ago.

Technically it's still in the pot. Although it does raise the question how the hell did Obito managed to access that chakra because it was said that once something is sealed inside it will stay sealed forever. Oh retcon.

[Otaru]

If i remember well, Obito used them to release an incomplete version of Gedo Mazo.

So to me, the chakra has been sucked by the Gedo Mazo.

It can't be in the pot it should be a part of juubi now.

The brothers must be in the pot but without Kyuubi's chakra.

 

But maybe Kishi will use his trump card *plot hole* LOL

 

And you're right, it's a little inconsistent here. How the hell did he managed to take the chakra without opening the pot and the jar ?

 

*plot hole* *plot hole* everywhere lol

 

Moreover, I'm not happy at all by the possibly of us to see again the Kin/Gin brothers. It was, IMO, one of the biggest absurdities of this manga... to think that they even were able to transform in Kyuubi just like Naruto... gagh... I disliked it above all.

Edited by Otaru, 12 February 2014 - 06:27 PM.

[Inferno180]

I just rememberer something...
 
The Kin/Gin brothers. They don't have Kyuubi's chakra anymore.
Obito took it to them a while ago.

Then by that count the pots are useless. The gold and silver brothers are still very much in there with that chakra. It was what acted as kuramas chakra. If anything they should still have it otherwise naruto is dead already if Kishi just went with yin kurama being lost to black zetsu.

The pots dropped for a reason, it was a mistake that will come back to cost Madara. They won't stop him but they will do something. I'm not sure how the gourd will release but it's known that the pot of purification is capable of releasing those it sucks up. As it was the only tool the cloud recovered from kinkakku and ginkakku, ay mentioned it was used as the container for holding the spirit of the eight tails until another jinchurki could be found, this entails that anything put into the pot can also be taken out, the brothers claimed the gourd was permenant though.

Really there are some explanations though for why naruto can survive, for one yes the uzumaki stamina is still active, holding his death back, naruto is best described as in a coma but his body is slowly dying due to the stress of the extraction. Sakura however delayed this with her CPR and manual heart pumping. The reason she isn't doing it right now? Perhaps naruto got a silight amount of air to cover it for the time being, otherwise Kishi can't have sakura just giving CPR each panel I mean it's for the sake of the story, she has to speak on the situation despite pumping narutos heart. Really I suspect naruto and Sasuke to recover in as little as 3 to as much as 10 chapters. Really about a 1/4th of this years chapters for this event then the battle will start. The sooner naruto and Sasuke are healed the better in my opinion, the focus of this volume is losing hope only at the end for it to rise again. It would really stink if Madara really was conveniently stopped by just the purification pot, I don't want this to be like bleach again, I want to see naruto and Sasuke beat the living crap out of Madara at last, let the bad guy get driven down and loose. Bring down the super villian, not by a trap or big strike, by teamwork.

At this point some inconsistencies will rise, they always do, but I'm not botherd by the fact of how is naruto still alive? Seriously when Madara did the sussano hack or minato did a one arm jinchurki transfer, at this point, it's for the sake of the story, sometimes you just need to swallow these minor differences. I mean would you be more upset with how quickly minato could transfer yin kurama or honestly if something very inconsistent happened like say naruto then just randomly decided to love hinata despite what sakura had done and what little he actually had previously with hinata,

Edited by Inferno180, 12 February 2014 - 06:30 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I forgot how those pots work. It seems so long time ago. (That was a joke.)

[Rozette]

I see it as a lost of disbelief (betrayal), as well as hitting it in the area that make it hard to move your body. This one is pretty much Naruto's power of love strive, no f**cks given.

 

Wasn't she also being held by Danzo in a way that she couldn't move her arms? Correct me if I'm wrong, heh. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Wasn't she also being held by Danzo in a way that she couldn't move her arms? Correct me if I'm wrong, heh. 

That too. The point is you can only do so much in a really bad state. Plus, the betrayal doesn't help as you're in full of disbelief. It's the emotional play. You always see a strong person falls down or two due to emotions. That's why they have characters taking emotions out, to keep moving forward with nothing to hold back.

A comrade dies - "I want to fight...but somehow, I feel heavy. Why..."

A comrade dies (no emotion) - "We need to move..."

[Nostradamus]

@Otaru I still say the Kyuubi's chakra is still in the pot and gourd. Like I said earlier it seems like Kishi is bringing back the entire power of the Kyuubi. The twist in this chapter was interesting also I remember reading on this website someone saying Gaara jinx it and that person was right. I still have strange feeling that Obito will gain control of his body and use the rinnegan to revive Naruto or possibly everyone using the Kyuubi's chakra. Anyway this twist makes the following chapters more interesting.