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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

@咲耶姫

for me, PU for sakura is possible if kishi give her the last fight in the next naru vs sasu arc. preferably againt orochimaru.

but if it straight to naru vs sasu fight than no PU for sakura. thus why I think and belive in the next arc there would be a training arc for naruto, sakura, and to some extent sasuke.

I belive that :

1. naruto will learn fuinjutsu and more of his clan from some uzumaki elder.

2. sasuke will gain rinnegan by eating chakra2 no mi or getting it from orochimaru using the same method to gain CS level 2 by injecting hashirama dna just like how he did it to yamato. and maybe get a CS level 3.

3. sakura will learn slug sm and/or genjutsu and/or maybe elemental ninjutsu from kakashi(since kakashi the one who teach elemental ninjutsu).

 

That's what I believe, if it doesn't happen than it doesn't happen.

She's nowhere near even with  a PU to fight against Orochimaru with his arms back and sage mode.(Sasuke could not even handle Kabuto and his sage mode).

1 - Naruto learning fuinjutsu doesnt make sense with his direction of his training, Sakura is more suitable to learn fuinjutsu than Naruto.

2 - How Sasuke will gain the rinnengan or sage mode if Orochimaru is the one who knows about it.

 

3 - with what motivation?

 

 

It's more reasonable for us to have Team Taka vs Orochimaru than Sakura vs Orochimaru.

Sakura lacks motivation to have another powerup, if she was included on the peace and hatred subplot of the manga she would have more screentime and most important more open spots for development

She would be as an example fighting alongside Naruto here.

Currently she has only the romance subplot to be resolved.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 December 2013 - 10:30 AM.

[sushi.]

I wouldn't mind a power-up for Sakura, but it's not what she needs.

 

Sakura is relevant to everyone she saves, but not to the plot. As long as she gets to influence/dominate the plot again, I will be happy.

Edited by sushi., 09 December 2013 - 01:59 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I wouldn't mind a power-up for Sakura, but it's not what she needs.

 

Sakura is relevant to everyone she saves, but not to the plot. As long as she gets to influence/dominate the plot again, I will be happy.

 

This is the right idea. Power-ups are pointless if there's no plot relevance for them. As she is now, Sakura shouldn't need another power-up if she's to be involved in the plot.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I wouldn't mind a power-up for Sakura, but it's not what she needs.

 

Sakura is relevant to everyone she saves, but not to the plot. As long as she gets to influence/dominate the plot again, I will be happy.

No one is against a power up for Sakura, what i'm saying is that she lacks ambition and motivation to do so.

 

@bolded dont know what it means, unless you're talking about being part of the plot which still makes no sense.

 

 

This is the right idea. Power-ups are pointless if there's no plot relevance for them. As she is now, Sakura shouldn't need another power-up if she's to be involved in the plot.

 

She's involved with the plot, but depends on what kind of plot she's to be involved, if she was on the hatred/peace, it would be understandable for her to have a powerup.

But currently she's involved on the team 7 plot, which is the main plot of the manga and the reason why she's main character and how she grow around this.

But the problem is that other characters like Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi in order to become strong and grow (even Kakashi got a powerup by being capable of mastering his jutsu) needed to be included on other plots like "peace/hatred, revenge" in order to grow and have powerups, meanwhile Sakura got struck with the team 7 plot and the romance plot.

 

As an example, look at Sakura, with her current development she's incapable of understanding why Naruto and Sasuke will fight each other on the near future, because both of them will be fighting about their vision of the future and about the village, but where's Sakura included into this rather than being a member of the team 7?

Kishi needs to work on her character soon.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 December 2013 - 02:59 PM.

[Dkey]

She could somehow be involved with the Madara fight. Somehow I see Madara fighting like hashirama and won't hurry to gain his eyes back. And it makes sense. we know a lot about the sharingan and rinnegan but not so much about mokuton and hashi's sage mode. Also if somehow Madara has sealing knowledge from uzumaki his fighting strategy could be like a uzu/senju hybrid.
But still it doesn't make too much room for Sakura because kishi might want to do a tailed beasts vs. Madara development.
The story is so weird right now

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@ Hanabi,

I'm curious where exactly Kishimoto said that he finds it hard to see Sakura as a heroine sometimes, I've never heard that.

[Atheck]

She could somehow be involved with the Madara fight. Somehow I see Madara fighting like hashirama and won't hurry to gain his eyes back. And it makes sense. we know a lot about the sharingan and rinnegan but not so much about mokuton and hashi's sage mode. Also if somehow Madara has sealing knowledge from uzumaki his fighting strategy could be like a uzu/senju hybrid.
But still it doesn't make too much room for Sakura because kishi might want to do a tailed beasts vs. Madara development.
The story is so weird right now

 

Lately I've had a nagging suspicion in the back of my mind that it's somehow interrelated with Shikkotsurin. The reason for it is because I thought back to Juugo's clan and how it's connected to Ryuchidou.  Supposedly his ability to gather natural energy is a genetic inheritance, but how could something that's ingrained in your genetic code originate from a location like that? Unless exposure to that unique environment somehow induced a mutation in members of Juugo's clan that caused them to develop this KG. Maybe Hashirama's Mokuton came to be through similar exposure to the atmosphere of Shikkotsurin.

 

Darkrest: You don't think Madara could match or surpass SM Naruto even with senjutsu of his own? The man is poised to annihilate the Alliance forces. 

[sushi.]

She could somehow be involved with the Madara fight. Somehow I see Madara fighting like hashirama and won't hurry to gain his eyes back. And it makes sense. we know a lot about the sharingan and rinnegan but not so much about mokuton and hashi's sage mode. Also if somehow Madara has sealing knowledge from uzumaki his fighting strategy could be like a uzu/senju hybrid.
But still it doesn't make too much room for Sakura because kishi might want to do a tailed beasts vs. Madara development.
The story is so weird right now

The good thing about that is that we can make all the nonsense predictions we want, because what's going to happen will be nonsense anyway.

 

Kakashi's arc is pretty much over, but Sakura's turn won't be for a while..I think. She has more potential in the Team 7 conflict than the Madara battle. Because it's personal to her.

If Kishi writes at least parts of that arc through her eyes, it would be great. Not directly a narrator, just make her a center, kind of like how she was in the kage ummit arc. Because Sakura has potential to be some sort of a neutralizing bridge between Naruto and Sasuke. Besides, while they have made up their mind on what to do with it, she is still conflicted. Sakura is the centre of the romance sub-plot, so writing her as one would be great because it all depends on her. Not just talking about who she chooses in the end here, I also want her to decide on her own what part she'll play in Naruto and Sasuke's conflict. I would like to see her development close-up, and how she reaches that decision. I'm thinking of this as a possible follow-up to the summit arc.

 

Who makes less sense, Kishi or me? ;p (jk)

 

It probably won't happen, because I think Kishi is a bit wary about writing women like this. He says he can't write them, but that sounds like he puts their gender a top priority. If he just focuses on writing her human, I think she'll be fine and her beautiful´ femininity will peek through. And there is hope, because like I said she has been a central figure before.

Edited by sushi., 09 December 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

Darkrest: You don't think Madara could match or surpass SM Naruto even with senjutsu of his own? The man is poised to annihilate the Alliance forces. 

He's blind, and never surpassed Hashirama in terms of physical strenght, he only got defeated by Hashirama over and over again, how could he without his sharingan and any enhancement before getting Hashirama's sage mode, blitz everyone including Naruto despite he being on a sage mode and tired.

Kishimoto is incosistent as hell, Madara is just with plot armor and plot strenght(just to show look how i'm strong before he gets defeated) i have any doubts that the kages or the bijuu's will take care of him.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 December 2013 - 05:25 PM.

[Hanabi]

@ Hanabi,

I'm curious where exactly Kishimoto said that he finds it hard to see Sakura as a heroine sometimes, I've never heard that.

I don't really know which forum I saw it last time, but I can only find it in http://naruto.wikia....i/Sakura_Haruno

 

" Despite being the heroine of the series, Kishimoto originally didn't intend to have Sakura become the heroine, saying on occasions that he sometimes has a hard time viewing her as one, and attributes this to lack experience and him being unable to draw good heroine characters but grew fond of Sakura nonetheless. "

 

it's not that "others said hinata is better" interview though.

Edited by Hanabi, 09 December 2013 - 05:52 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@ Hanabi: Oh so you're talking about this part:

 

Despite being the heroine of the series, Kishimoto originally did not intend for Sakura to becaome the heroine, saying on occasion that he has a hard time viewing her a one and attributes this to a lack of experience and him being unable to draw good heroine characters but grew fond of Sakura nonetheless. During the 2010 interview, many who work with Kishimoto have stated that Hinata would have made a better heroine than Sakura, however, Kishimoto said that despite not being portrayed like one Sakura would be showing a more heroine side of her from then on.

 

It sounds to me that it is referring to Sakura early on in the series, pre time skip. Really though, I think we'd need to see the original source to be sure of translation, I always approach these kind of things with caution, because it has been proven that people will taken interpretive liberties.

 

I never quite understand though what is meant by Sakura 'not being portrayed as a heroine' or why Hinata would made a better one. How is Sakura not a heroine? (aside from the issue of plot relevance, which certainly is an issue) She is a character with human flaws, who acknowledges those faults and has worked hard to improve herself, both a shinobi and a person, she puts other people above herself, even those she hardly knows (Chiyo) and is described as "chivalrous". She is brave and determined and actively supports and cares for the hero, is that not a heroine?

 

Hinata is far too dependent on Naruto for development and purpose to fit any definition of a heroine, and that is not me hating on her, because I really don't hate Hinata, but I feel as she is written, would make a terrible example of a heroine. I won't be able to even consider Hinata as 'heroine material' until or unless she lets go for her crutch (read: Naruto) and finds strength and courage in herself, that in my opinion, is the most fundamental aspect of what makes a heroine. Sakura has it, Hinata does not.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 09 December 2013 - 06:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You do know that wasn't the right translation, right?

[BakeNeko-Chan]

^ I figured that much, but that was what it said in the link Hanabi provided.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^ I figured that much, but that was what it said in the link Hanabi provided.

I know, but Kishi never said better, he did wonder what's up with people on Sakura since he thought he was doing fine, but now we are getting more to it. Hinata's part comes in when he said "You say, 'Hinata, Hinata.'" I really think we just stick to manga and nothing more. That includes, "Naruto is close..."

[tricksie]

The good thing about that is that we can make all the nonsense predictions we want, because what's going to happen will be nonsense anyway.

 

Kakashi's arc is pretty much over, but Sakura's turn won't be for a while..I think. She has more potential in the Team 7 conflict than the Madara battle. Because it's personal to her.

If Kishi writes at least parts of that arc through her eyes, it would be great. Not directly a narrator, just make her a center, kind of like how she was in the kage ummit arc. Because Sakura has potential to be some sort of a neutralizing bridge between Naruto and Sasuke. Besides, while they have made up their mind on what to do with it, she is still conflicted. Sakura is the centre of the romance sub-plot, so writing her as one would be great because it all depends on her. Not just talking about who she chooses in the end here, I also want her to decide on her own what part she'll play in Naruto and Sasuke's conflict. I would like to see her development close-up, and how she reaches that decision. I'm thinking of this as a possible follow-up to the summit arc.

 

Who makes less sense, Kishi or me? ;p (jk)

 

It probably won't happen, because I think Kishi is a bit wary about writing women like this. He says he can't write them, but that sounds like he puts their gender a top priority. If he just focuses on writing her human, I think she'll be fine and her beautiful´ femininity will peek through. And there is hope, because like I said she has been a central figure before.

 

I tend to think his statements on writing about women and love are a bit of a fib— or at least, he's gotten more confident over the years – because Konan and Kushina were written beautifully. And this whole dang manga revolves around love. 

 

As for Sakura, there's certainly more to come from her. She herself has said she hasn't unlocked her full power. And power-ups of all kinds are given liberally with no hint of it to come. So with that track record, there's no reason why Sakura shouldn't.

 

But, I know I've said this before, the biggest indicator to me is that for this story to end, one girl has to be pushed out to the front to be choice for Naruto. To undo the frenzy of suspence Kishimoto has created, he must develop Sakura and Hinata's storylines to prove one is the better choice, while one is going to go off and fulfill her life's duty elsewhere. 

 

Kishimoto can't just end the conflict with Madara and then wipe his hands and say "that's it! We're done!" The subplot is about Naruto's romance, and it has to be resolved to a modicum of satisfaction. The way I see it, Sakura is going to have to get something (a power-up of some kind) that makes her irrevocably the top choice. It has not happened yet. 

 

Why would Kishimoto do this and not just end the story? Because he has an obligation to the NH half of his fanbase. He's not going to leave them hanging, no more than he would the NS fans if the story went NH.

 

It's a head scratcher to me how people argue that her development is done, finished, over. The easiest way for Kishimoto to make Sakura look like the unequivocal choice is to give her a power/skill boost. Otherwise it's going to be backstory and flashback, etc., etc. and I don't think Kishimoto is going to go that route again. He gave Sakura her own storyline in the Gaara arc, and it ended there. Now her action is a tangent to Naruto's action. So I think her power-up will be the same: something that only she can do, that she pulls out at just the right moment to save Naruto etc.

 

I expect another moment from Sakura because above anything, Kishimoto has shown that he will do whatever he wants in the plot. No foreshadowing, no previous tie-ins. It just happens, especially in a flashback, and there it is. The audience and the other characters have to deal with it. So since there's still more ground to be covered with Sakura's character development, I'm expecting more aspects of her to be suddenly revealed, just like it's happened with other characters. 

 

My money's on her coming in at the end of the battle with some unknown skill or missing link technique (as I said before, maybe a connection with senju), in some way that only Naruto can benefit from.

 

I don't think we've seen the last from Sakura.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I was referring more to the part about people who work with Kishi say that Hinata would make the better heroine, not KIshi himself, since I know he sure didn't say any such thing.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I was referring more to the part about people who work with Kishi say that Hinata would make the better heroine, not KIshi himself, since I know he sure didn't say any such thing.

Kishi kind of sound pissed when he ended, "She's not Hinata." I don't know but it's one of those wording that does translate it to that way. It's like me saying, "Did you see my fight? If so, then you should know better." You just get that vibe. But who knows, right?

[Shadow1275]

He's blind, and never surpassed Hashirama in terms of physical strenght, he only got defeated by Hashirama over and over again, how could he without his sharingan and any enhancement before getting Hashirama's sage mode, blitz everyone including Naruto despite he being on a sage mode and tired.

Kishimoto is incosistent as hell, Madara is just with plot armor and plot strenght(just to show look how i'm strong before he gets defeated) i have any doubts that the kages or the bijuu's will take care of him.

And yet he froze Hashirama with a simple hand-sign, despite all the handicaps he has right now. At this point I'd say that Naruto would get wrecked by Madara.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

And yet he froze Hashirama with a simple hand-sign, despite all the handicaps he has right now. At this point I'd say that Naruto would get wrecked by Madara.

Inst that funny? he always got raped by Hashirama and then even they fighting on their edo form Madara manages to win, dafuq.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 December 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[Shadow1275]

Inst that funny? he always got raped by Hashirama and then even they fighting on their edo form Madara manages to win, dafuq.

While he couldn't absorb chakra back then. The Uchiha are like the saiyans, whenever they encounter a near death experience they always get stronger. Usually through the Ass-pull variety.