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#161 Strangelove

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:34 PM

There was something odd about one of Kurama's comments in this recent chapter. He claims that Naruto was not given Shukaku's chakra, yet if you glance back at #629 you can see that Shukaku was involved in his first attempt at suppressing the Jubi when the manifestations of the chakra Naruto was given by the bijuu appeared. 

 

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You can see the Ichibi in the top right corner of the page. Did Kishi overlook this detail or would it be considered a plot hole? 

 

Unless those were not the manifestations of the Bijuus chakra, and in fact may have been the soul of Hogoromo that has been reincarnated in Naruto.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:53 PM

Unless those were not the manifestations of the Bijuus chakra, and in fact may have been the soul of Hogoromo that has been reincarnated in Naruto.


For the record, the volume version fixed that.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:14 PM

It's interesting how Madara and his peculiar disappearance from the last few chapters have become such a hotly contested topic despite Orochimaru's devious presence still lurking about on the battlefield. He and Taka are still as untrustworthy to the Alliance as before. The only reason for anyone refusing to make a move against them is because of the current situation being a higher priority.
 
Is anyone else miffed at the fact that neither Kakashi or Sasuke are having any role in this redemption discussion? Throughout much of the latter half of P2, Tobi had his eyes trained on Sasuke and his corruptive path. He had almost become like a guardian and mentor to Sasuke in his quest. Providing him with safe refuge, directing him to the next objective in his plans, and discreetly pushing him to abandon the bindings that held him to friends, compassion, or any positive sensations that might have deterred him from his path of vengeance. It was almost like Tobi was grooming Sasuke to become his protege (an ironic twist of fate which I'm sure Tobi would have enjoyed on some level if he had realised that Kakashi had the same intentions in P1 as well). But now all of that development is being cast aside, just like that? There's nothing that Sasuke or Tobi have to say to one another? Nothing concerning the fact that this man was also responsible for the death of his clan? Or for Tobi, coming to terms with the fact that his desire to see an aspiring successor has gone up in flames? 
 
Kakashi is self-explanatory. Many of us were assuming that he would play a greater role in Tobi's redemption and there is still a window for him to leave a mark, but that window is closing with every chapter. 
 

I don't think so. I saw Shikamaru and Ino wear Jounin vest. I think most of them are older.


The combat vest is standard issue for Chunin ranked shinobi as well. Also, you can still see the marks and injuries on everyone in the panel that is depicting Tobi standing next to Sakura. Onoki is missing a shoe (he lost one in his recent fight against Edo Madara) and unless he decided to maintain that design as a fashion statement for the rest of his life, those character models are from the war.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:23 PM

It's interesting how Madara and his peculiar disappearance from the last few chapters have become such a hotly contested topic despite Orochimaru's devious presence still lurking about on the battlefield. He and Taka are still as untrustworthy to the Alliance as before. The only reason for anyone refusing to make a move against them is because of the current situation being a higher priority.
 
Is anyone else miffed at the fact that neither Kakashi or Sasuke are having any role in this redemption discussion? Throughout much of the latter half of P2, Tobi had his eyes trained on Sasuke and his corruptive path. He had almost become like a guardian and mentor to Sasuke in his quest. Providing him with safe refuge, directing him to the next objective in his plans, and discreetly pushing him to abandon the bindings that held him to friends, compassion, or any positive sensations that might have deterred him from his path of vengeance. It was almost like Tobi was grooming Sasuke to become his protege (an ironic twist of fate which I'm sure Tobi would have enjoyed on some level if he had realised that Kakashi had the same intentions in P1 as well). But now all of that development is being cast aside, just like that? There's nothing that Sasuke or Tobi have to say to one another? Nothing concerning the fact that this man was also responsible for the death of his clan? Or for Tobi, coming to terms with the fact that his desire to see an aspiring successor has gone up in flames? 
 
Kakashi is self-explanatory. Many of us were assuming that he would play a greater role in Tobi's redemption and there is still a window for him to leave a mark, but that window is closing with every chapter. 
 

Sasuke and Tobi are nothing like that, everything that Tobi told Sasuke was confirmed by the kages, he was merely used as a pawn but at the same time helped Sasuke's goals, i believe they dont have things to talk about, even if Tobi played a role on the clan's death still we know it was all Itachi's plan, Itachi was the one who executed him and approached Tobi.

 

About Kakashi, he played his part, and a strong one by telling Obito his resolve and many things.

By far i'm more interested on how this Obi/Rin//Naru/Saku will play though, it's hard to think on an scenario and the most reasonable ones include Naruto going OOC and giving advice on things he doesnt have experience though.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:30 PM

 

I was thinking that too! Although I think that would deviate too much from what really needs to be said. The focus shouldn't drift that much onto Naruto's feeling for Sakura. Still a nice head canon though.

 

"There's a girl that I love named Sakura-chan..."

 



That's what I think you know... In order to make the connections between him and Obito Naruto would have to tell him that he has a love interest as well.

So this "I have a girl I love named Sakura-chan... bla bla bla..."

Dunno it just seems the perfect words.

PLUS! I ouldn't be amazed if Kishi does that... He did it with the Neo Sannin you know. All 3 invoking the animals at the same time. That was included initially in a filler by Pierrot with the old Sannis... So who knows?

 

 

lol, Well no one thought that Minato would ask Sakura if she was Naruto's girlfriend, but he did. Actually, to be more accurate, both me and two other predicted how interesting that would be and well....it happened. We didn't believe it at first, but it happened. So you never know. My theory about 660 is getting stronger by the chapter.

 

 

By the way

"You are Sasuke's relative"

 

Do you think this kind of proves that the Uchiha inbred?

 

If your family tree doesn't branch....you might be an Uchiha.

 

 

I am also hoping that after Naruto has seen what happened to Obito and how his tragic past was...perhaps he will think twice about Sakura and actually talk to her for real this time. Obito regretted it himself when he didn't and wanted to be with Rin, so maybe this will finally open his eyes to actually bring the topic up to her.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 08:56 PM

Sasuke and Tobi are nothing like that, everything that Tobi told Sasuke was confirmed by the kages, he was merely used as a pawn but at the same time helped Sasuke's goals,


A pawn for what, exactly? There was no benefit to Tobi for him to abscond with Sasuke after his battle with Itachi, heal him, guide him through his venture, or find himself gratified when Sasuke severed the last remaining bond he had with someone else. If it was a relationship founded solely on self-serving manipulation then why create this attachment to someone who has no relevance to your goals?

From what can be gathered after the Invasion of Pain arc, Sasuke was only going to be used as a sacrificial lamb for Rinne Tensei. The only significance that jutsu holds with Tobi's motives is the resurrection of Madara. That was the inference from Tobi's conversation with Zetsu. But as we see later on, he was expressly horrified to learn that Madara had been reanimated thanks to Kabuto. During the war, he openly admits to distrusting Madara and that they were never allies. This further demonstrates the conflict of interests that exist between them.

If Sasuke's only relevance to the plan was to be used for Rinne Tensei, and the only significance that jutsu holds is the revival of a man whom Tobi distrusts and has demonstrably proven to have had no intention of including in his personal motives, what purpose does Sasuke serve then?
 

i believe they dont have things to talk about, even if Tobi played a role on the clan's death still we know it was all Itachi's plan, Itachi was the one who executed him and approached Tobi.


And Tobi just decided to join for the heck of it? It was stated and shown in Itachi's recount to Sasuke in #590 that he "resented" Konoha and the Uchiha Clan. Interestingly, I overlooked a detail about Itachi's conditions for Tobi's participation in the massacre. It included the immunity of Sasuke from any harm brought to the clan. It just so happens that the two of them only began to interact with each other directly and personally after Itachi died. Coincidence?
 

About Kakashi, he played his part, and a strong one by telling Obito his resolve and many things.


Did he now? Much of Tobi's personal "turmoil" revolves around Kakashi's "inability" to protect Rin. You can see when Kakashi brought forth the topic in #608 that Tobi was visibly disturbed by it. If anything, it seems that he might possess some lingering resentment towards Kakashi. The way Tobi brutalised him in #608 after Rin was mentioned supports this notion.

Part of Tobi's redemption, as it has been progressing, should include the releasing of that anger he holds toward his former teammate and coming to terms with Rin's death. In that regard, Kakashi is arguably more vital to him than Naruto even. Minato also has a role to play in all of this since part of Tobi's aggression and grievances lie with him as well.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:13 PM

I just saw the issue cover... They all look different. Sakura looks younger (but still cute~), Naruto's hair is weird and Sasuke... lmao.

It was cool that they included pictures of them from when they were young. I think that panel of young Sakura is when she was really young though, when she had just started the Academy and all (like six years old, no?) I'll see if I can find it. Great that we finally see that Sakura's seal is purple like Tsunade's. It would have been cool if it was green or something, but I guess there was no reason to suspect it would be any different than her master's. And Sakura's hairstyle looks nice here, unlike in most other chapters, including this one (looked messy).

Anyway... This chapter just made me anticipate the next one so much. There's so many different things that can happen. Good thing we won't have to wait as long as usual.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:18 PM

I was checking out the front cover photo of Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura once more. It was nice they finally revealed what color Sakura's seal looks like, but I was kinda hoping it'd be a different color besides purple and give Sakura a unique color to establish her seal away from Tsunade's.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:21 PM

I was checking out the front cover photo of Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura once more. It was nice they finally revealed what color Sakura's seal looks like, but I was kinda hoping it'd be a different color besides purple and give Sakura a unique color to establish her seal away from Tsunade's.


I think it's best to establish that the seal is definitely a top tier seal, so it won't be interpreted weaker or different. But that's just me.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:22 PM

I was checking out the front cover photo of Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura once more. It was nice they finally revealed what color Sakura's seal looks like, but I was kinda hoping it'd be a different color besides purple and give Sakura a unique color to establish her seal away from Tsunade's.

 

I'm okay with it, though I was personally hoping for a green seal, to match her eyes.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:25 PM

I'm okay with it, though I was personally hoping for a green seal, to match her eyes.

Yeah, that would be nice.

Damn, what's taking my review so long...

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:30 PM

It was already established that their seals are the same o__o

My favorite part of the chapter is Naruto seeing Obito's memories of his team and Rin.

 

I predict that the TnJ will work and at the end of the volume Madara will ruin everyone's lives/become the villain to take down.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:39 PM

It was already established that their seals are the same o__o
My favorite part of the chapter is Naruto seeing Obito's memories of his team and Rin.
 
I predict that the TnJ will work and at the end of the volume Madara will ruin everyone's lives/become the villain to take down.

Madara should pull a One Piece moment and just make him look like a total idiot for actually have no backup plan at all.

Hashirama: The God Tree is done. It's over...
Madara: ...
Hashirama: (It can't be. He has another plan!?)
Madara: SHIMATTA!!!!
*Hashirama falls down*

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:51 PM

Madara should pull a One Piece moment and just make him look like a total idiot for actually have no backup plan at all.

Hashirama: The God Tree is done. It's over...
Madara: ...
Hashirama: (It can't be. He has another plan!?
Madara: SHIMATTA!!!!
*Hashirama falls down*

 

Haha although I'm positive that he has some sort of plan. 

 

It seems like these "previews" are not really previews of the upcoming chapter, but of some chapter in the future. 


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:54 PM

Since Obito will surely talk about his crush, Rin ,  in the next chapter , maybe Naruto will try to relate with him by telling his story with the girl he love. I sure hope it will be Sakura and not Hinata.

 

I am kind of scared right now  :hm:


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 09:59 PM

Since Obito will surely talk about his crush, Rin ,  in the next chapter , maybe Naruto will try to relate with him by telling his story with the girl he love. I sure hope it will be Sakura and not Hinata.
 
I am kind of scared right now  :hm:

The setup really suggests Sakura. So don't worry,it will be all over.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:05 PM

Did anyone else notice the Uzumaki insignia hovering above Hashirama on the colour spread? Supposedly it's intended to represent the conflict between Hashirama and Madara, but the Senju clan symbol is nowhere to be seen. Is there supposed to be a reason for this discrepancy?

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:13 PM

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Naruto was on the from cover of the magazine, while Sakura and NAruto look more formdable, Sasuke looks a bit more psychotic, maybe it's the hair that resembles Madara?

 

Kishi really missed a trick here he should have had Sakura and Tsunade join the tug of war, them two alone would be enough to drag out three orfour of the tailed beasts.


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:14 PM

The setup really suggests Sakura. So don't worry,it will be all over.

I know :P , but there are some scenario that could avantage Naruto and Hinata as a couple ! For exemple : 

 

Obito : Yeah maybe i could have become Hokage , and have friends and all. But the only person that i love would be dead !

 

Naruto : I dont know what is the feeling of loosing the person that I love like you , but personally my childhood crush never love me back and i didin't give up. I was able to find someone else who does ! If you had follow the right path you surely would have found one too !


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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:20 PM

I know :P , but there are some scenario that could avantage Naruto and Hinata as a couple ! For exemple : 

 

Obito : Yeah maybe i could have become Hokage , and have friends and all. But the only person that i love would be dead !

 

Naruto : I dont know what is the feeling of loosing the person that I love like you , but personally my childhood crush never love me back and i didin't give up. I was able to find someone else who does ! If you had follow the right path you surely would have found one too !

 

Yes, throw out the whole concept that Naruto called Sakura his girlfriend in front of his father, also throw out the smile he gave her at the end of the chapter and toss away one of the most important themes in Naruto which is to never give up and persevere even though everything in to world seems to be against you and you would get that scenario. You are thinking WAYYY too much into it, that scene has about a 0% chance of happening in my eyes. 

 

Naruto would say something more like: I don't know the feelings of losing someone so special and I don't know what I would do if it ever happened. I also have a girl I love named Sakura, she is one of the many shinobi standing out there on the battlefield and I don't know what I would do without her... but, at the end of the day, I made myself a promise, and that was to bring a smile on her face no matter what the situation.. and no matter how tough it is for me personally. Do you think Rin would be happy with what you have become? Do you think Rin would like this Obito? I think no matter what, Rin would want what's only best for you and that would be to live your life to the fullest and pursue your dreams even though she isn't here to celebrate it with you.


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