749 replies to this topic

[BlueStarSaber]

That was a good chapter. I don't think Shikamaru will die, if he does I hope his final words to his friends would be not to trust Sasuke.

[Dkey]

Funny, that thought never crossed my mind because I thought it flow normally. If it really bothers you, you're missing the point. That and you let others (not sure if anyone I know seem talks about it) gets to you. If you ask me, it would seem that Neji's death really made to connect to many as possible in this one last arc with side characters and I understand that. Still wish he didn't die but what can I do.

Now, I'm interested on what's next. We know now that the next volume is now or never scenario, which is most likely the final step. That said I wonder what's next. I wonder what would Gokage do next? Will Tsunade add support for Shikamaru and perhaps others? Will Gokage still going after Madara? How much work can all of them can do? Will Madara continue to fight Hashirama as time goes by? Will there be more conflicts? So many questions to think of for next chapter.

 

I'm considering taking a break from Naruto just to avoid chapters that seem to drag on and on. Volume wise they do make sense but I see that those 15 minutes will be dragged for about one volume. And probably it will be just like a time bomb, where they have to hurry and cut the tree but of course Obito will try to stop  them. Hashirama and Madara will continue their fight but oddly I saw Madara preparing a spike so I think he will try to control Obito again. Somehow it would be interesting for him to succed so that Naruto and Sasuke fight Madara and not Obito, even thou Madara is using Obito's body.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
I'm considering taking a break from Naruto just to avoid chapters that seem to drag on and on. Volume wise they do make sense but I see that those 15 minutes will be dragged for about one volume. And probably it will be just like a time bomb, where they have to hurry and cut the tree but of course Obito will try to stop  them. Hashirama and Madara will continue their fight but oddly I saw Madara preparing a spike so I think he will try to control Obito again. Somehow it would be interesting for him to succed so that Naruto and Sasuke fight Madara and not Obito, even thou Madara is using Obito's body.

If you go to my review, I hope Sasuke happens to bump to Madara and it's not like they can let him chill and take control over Obito. If anything, the fact he said his trump card, we won't see it happening, so why not split up the fight. Sasuke could bump to Madara as Naruto goes for Obito or more like other way around since Obito knows he's a threat. Anyway, here's hoping good conclusive volume.

About Shikamaru, maybe when Tsunade shows up, he will be fine. Sakura could slowly prevent his death, but with Tsunade, I think he will be ok. Otherwise, that TnJ sure grow stronger.

[Nate River]

So I ask everyone, please before any more criticism gets thrown around really think on whether or not it is a true criticism and not just you (in general) nitpicking. It's really a bad habit as of late and it's hard for me to take some of this stuff serious anymore because of so much nitpicking. I can't even tell what's a true criticism and what is just people whining about how they didn't get what they wanted.

No.

If I'm bothering to say it, then I think it's valid and I will not decline to speak my opinion (nor ask others to do the same) because individual members cannot deal with it. If it does not violate rules, they can speak. If you think it violates the rules then report it.

Second, I cannot read this anyway, except as a plea to people to stop expressing opinions that you do not like. To both you and Awes9, I do not understand letting other people's opinion of a character, affect you ability to enjoy either. I enjoy discussing a chapter, but I ultimately don't give a crap how many people share it.

Atheck, whether you agree or not, explains himself thoroughly, attempts to defend his position, and is perfectly reasonable in his approach. He does not insult anybody for holding contrary opinions, and does not use it as a spring bored to just bash for it's own sake. If you don't like it, you can do what you just did: Debate him. If you tire of it, then you can ignore him.

On a random note: I also wanted to bring up that comparing story elements from different manga, despite many telling me "You can't include/compare that. That is two different universes," that is what they call "reading comprehension." You used to do it all the time in middle and high school to compare and contrast story elements. In my Shakespeare class we did that with modern plays compared to Shakespeare. Comparing and contrasting story ideas with each other is a standard practice in reading techniques and writing techniques as well.

The members of this board know what reading comprehension is and don't need it explained to them as if they were 5. Just because they don't buy into the validity of your comparison doesn't make them stupid.

[StriderC]

You shouldn't. I know this wasn't shown or didn't happen in the chapter, but if everyone got a glimpse of Naruto's feelings and his determinetion about not having any more regrets (keep in mind that Sakura said something similar before confessing to Naruto in the land of Iron during her conversation with Sai), then you clearly know what this points to. :)

I definitely thought of Sakura in his regrets speech given she is an individual of great interest. Sure, it wasn't a pairing moment but it definitely sets up for one and it only ties the knot even tighter since it all flows together.

I saw those dots with Hinata and I actually thought that maybe she's starting to get the hint? REDDRAGON, you know what I'm talking about since we had this discussion before with the hug scene and her response. I wanna know if you guys think that it has something to with the closure of her pursuit of Naruto? I mean, look at how Sakura looks when she sees into his heart. Meh, could just be my bias speaking. Lol

[redragon88]

@reddragon
It's understable that kishi put Hinata there because neji died panel and Hinata respond to it.

I'm talking about the panel after that one.

 

We see the panel of Neji dying, then we have a Hinata panel reacting to it. Then next page we have the big panel of Naruto saying he doesn't want regrets, and after that there's another panel of Hinata saying the usual "Naruto-kun" and below that another of Obito probably reacting to Naruto as well.

 

It's that second panel of Hinata that I fell is just random. If I was an NH fan I'd probably think that this was evidence of Hinata's inevitable involvement with Naruto... if I was an NH fan. But as I know that NS is what's meant to happen in the end I just find that panel completely weird.

[rocci]

Don't expect to high but I tought it's funny that if sakura use her axe, she can chop the tree

Okay so lets talk about naruto & sasuke power level.

Naruto :
Base naruto = low tier kage level
Sm naruto = high tier kage level
Km naruto = between kage level and Demi god level
50% Bm naruto = Demi god level(hashirama)
50% bm+sm naruto = between Demi god level & closer to god level
100% bm+sm naruto = closer to god level (sm hashirama)

Sasuke :
Base sasuke = high tier jounin level
Sharingan sasuke = low tier kage level
Ms sasuke. = high tier kage level
EMS sasuke. = between kage level and Demi god level
PS sasuke. = Demi god level(madara)
Rinnegan sasuke = closer to god level ( upgrade madara)

[Nate River]

Don't expect to high but I tought it's funny that if sakura use her axe, she can chop the tree

Okay so lets talk about naruto & sasuke power level.

Naruto :
Base naruto = low tier kage level
Sm naruto = high tier kage level
Km naruto = between kage level and Demi god level
50% Bm naruto = Demi god level(hashirama)
50% bm+sm naruto = between Demi god level & closer to god level
100% bm+sm naruto = closer to god level (sm hashirama)

Sasuke :
Base sasuke = high tier jounin level
Sharingan sasuke = low tier kage level
Ms sasuke. = high tier kage level
EMS sasuke. = between kage level and Demi god level
PS sasuke. = Demi god level(madara)
Rinnegan sasuke = closer to god level ( upgrade madara)

I think we have hit DBZ level. By that I mean we have reached a point where accurate assesments of level are next to impossible except when compared to each other. You can ask is Naruto/Sasuke stronger than X, but trying to much else seems pointless.

DBZ quantified it for a while then ditched it once SSJ came in. Then it was just a bunch if "relative" comparisons amoing the relevant heros and villain of the day.

[megi]

Hey guys sorry I haven't read through everything but here are my thoughts

 

I think this is my favorite chapter in the whole volume, there is a lot of emotion in it. Really, Naruto's feelings resonating with everyone,,,ah, I loved it.

 

What I don't understand is why Naruto always has to get reminded to get back on track. I don't know how many times it has been already, but he is always breaking (probably from all the pressure, but....), why does it have to be like that for more than 2 times? It literally JUST happened with Neji, and Sasuke has to "tease" Naruto to get  him back on track. Maybe the time this is a little off for me because I'm reading this from week to week, but for Naruto to be so easily wavered...eh.

 

But besides that, it hasn't really detracted my enjoyment of the chapter. 

Save Shikamaru, Sakura!

 

I never have been a big fan of Karin, but I just feel such a huge difference in her and in Ino and Sakura in this chapter. I know Karin just came onto the scene, but her panel is just really different from the overall feeling of the chapter. 

[StriderC]

I'm talking about the panel after that one.
 
We see the panel of Neji dying, then we have a Hinata panel reacting to it. Then next page we have the big panel of Naruto saying he doesn't want regrets, and after that there's another panel of Hinata saying the usual "Naruto-kun" and below that another of Obito probably reacting to Naruto as well.
 
It's that second panel of Hinata that I fell is just random. If I was an NH fan I'd probably think that this was evidence of Hinata's inevitable involvement with Naruto... if I was an NH fan. But as I know that NS is what's meant to happen in the end I just find that panel completely weird.

Look at history. What regrets would he have that involves Hinata? I'd see him regretting not telling Sakura how he felt. There's no long stemming road with NH especially compared to NS, where he has based his attempts at her heart on whether or not he could keep his promise to her at one time. The thing is, I feel that Kishi sort of kept that scene clean. He could of added Sakura in there to. "I should of been more forward with my feelings... I should have told her how I feel about her". No matter what antis say, I feel as though Sakura is one of his goals. Winning her heart. He showed Sasuke there. He could of showed Sakura too when it comes to romance but such s moment would kill all pairings...

[rocci]

@reddragon
It's Hinata responding to naruto just like usual, beside do you think naruto want to lose his first and only FAN.

@nate
I always think that naruto is dragon ball spiritual successor, with akira drawing style, and the matrix influence. But at least, it still not escalated to the planet buster level.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Frankly, I don't give a damn about what the haters have to say about Sakura, they'll always find a reason to hate regardless, so who cares?

 

I loved the chapter. I was a bit shocked that Shikamaru was dead just liked that, but in this situation I like the suddenness of it, the way its so unexpected. Unfortunately, I think it means another mass revival is probably inevitable  .

I loved seeing Sakura's guilt over the situation too, and the focus on her desire to protect that so wonderfully echoes Naruto's. And the emphasis on her 'seeing his heart' was nice, she looked so pained. I don't even want to hear that it didn't mean anything. Hinata sure didn't get that kind of focus, though I liked seeing her reflect with Naruto's regret over Neji. And people say she doesn't care, please.

And, Karin, I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt time and again, but I can't help roll my eyes that the way she acted. At least Sakura and Ino were focused on their job, even Hinata doesn't act like that.

 

Anyways, to NaruSaku4Life3G, I think you may be right and the Tsukuyomi will be stopped, as much as if pains me to admit. But we'll see how future chapters play out.

[六道仙人]

Maybe Naruto's regreting not being in love with Hinata instead of Sakura

[HauntedCake]

Obito sure loves some sucking though and he did it for free too.

Hmmmm....... (Thinks about what he is implying with this sentence)


(It's a reference to a sexual act!!!!! )


I can do it too!!!

 

     

[Slextrem]

So, let me get this straight...

• It's somehow Sakura's fault that everyone is dead.
• Naruto is "the new Sakura" because all he does is cry.
• Sakura is the worst character in the series because she didn't save Neji, and she won't save Shikamaru.
• Ino shouldn't even be walking on the same ground as Hashirama.
• Karin is a freak.
• SS moment because panel placement > context.
• NH moment because panel placement > context.

...Fandom, pls:

• Obito and his god tree are responsible for the mass-murder of the Alliance.
• Katsuyu's slugs were attached to the Alliance, and as a result of the tree draining their chakra, her mini-slugs were drained too.
• Sakura wanted to save everyone through remote healing, but couldn't because Katsuyu's mini-slugs died.
• After realizing that, she rushed over to save Shikamaru herself.
• She was devastated because Obito stole their right to die fighting.
• Naruto cried out of sheer anger for what Obito did.
• The fodder of the Alliance are weak and have lost their will to fight.
• Karin and Suigetsu are the comic relief of the chapter.
• Madara is the ultimate villain.
• Ino was able to connect the First Hokage to the entire Alliance so that he could send valuable information about the tree to them.
• Naruto's feelings are so strong that they came through the Alliance's Kyuubi chakra and thus were transmitted to everyone with it and those within range of Ino's jutsu.
• It's Naruto's heart that Sakura is feeling.
• Her panel is beside Sasuke's because Naruto's thought related to Team 7.
• Hinata's panel is near the end because Naruto's thought about Neji came second to last.
• Naruto thought about his parents last because they are the most important to him.
• kitten is about to go down.

This is why I don't seek out the fandom's opinion on the chapters any more, (and I mean the Naruto fandom as a whole.) Can't we just enjoy the story for what it is and stop twisting everything to fit our opinion? The only two that anyone should be criticizing right now are Obito and Madara. They caused all of this - not Sakura, not Naruto, not Katsuyu, not Karin, not Ino...

Edited by Slextrem, 17 September 2013 - 04:38 PM.

[StriderC]

So, let me get this straight...

• It's somehow Sakura's fault that everyone is dead.
• Naruto is "the new Sakura" because all he does is cry.
• Sakura is the worst character in the series because she didn't save Neji, and she won't save Shikamaru.
• Ino shouldn't even be walking on the same ground as Hashirama.
• Karin in is a freak.
• SS moment because panel placement > context.
• NH moment because panel placement > context.

...Fandom, pls:

• Obito and his god tree are responsible for the mass-murder of the Alliance.
• Katsuyu's slugs were attached to the Alliance, and as a result of the tree draining their chakra, her mini-slugs were drained too.
• Sakura wanted to save everyone through remote healing, but couldn't because Katsuyu's mini-slugs are also dead.
• After realizing that, she rushed over to save Shikamaru herself.
• She was devastated because Obito stole their right to die fighting.
• Naruto cried out of sheer anger for what Obito has done.
• The fodder of the Alliance are weak and have lost their will to fight.
• Karin and Suigetsu are the comic relief of the chapter.
• Madara is the ultimate villain.
• Ino was able to connect the First Hokage to the entire Alliance so that he could send valuable information about the tree to them.
• Naruto's feelings are so strong that they came through Ino's Kyuubi chakra and thus were transmitted to everyone within range of her jutsu.
• It's Naruto's heart that Sakura is feeling.
• Her panel is beside Sasuke's because Naruto's thought related to Team 7.
• Hinata's panel is near the end because Naruto's thought about Neji came second to last.
• Naruto thought about his parents last because they are the most important to him.
• kitten is about to go down.

This is why I don't seek out the fandom's opinion on the chapters any more, (and I mean the Naruto fandom as a whole.) Can't we just enjoy the story for what it is and stop twisting everything to fit our opinion? The only two that anyone should be criticizing right now are Obito and Madara. They caused all of this - not Sakura, not Naruto, not Katsuyu, not Karin, not Ino...

Anddd there you have it!!

Did you notice how Tsunades hair is like Sakura's?? He pretty much said screw the arcs. Lol

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I was thinking about that. He is supposed to take care of the king...SO he shouldn't die.

 

That doesn't mean he can't die, life doesn't have guarantees and sometimes you don't get to do the things you say you will. Death waits for no one. Granted, yes this is fiction, and Shikamaru will probably be okay in the end if Kishi follow the pattern from the Pein arc, but that it still applies to some extent. Kishi could certainly kill him off if he so desires, he's not exempt from it simply because Shikamaru 'made a promise.'

[Slextrem]

Anddd there you have it!!

Did you notice how Tsunades hair is like Sakura's?? He pretty much said screw the arcs. Lol

 

Yeah, she's been looking more and more like Sakura ever since Karin revived her.

[Qia]

That particular responce wasn't even directed at you but I did address your point in an edit of my post to the other user.
 

Answer: You're referencing a situation that has no importance in this. Whatever befell those people isn't relevant to Katsuyu and the fallen shinobi that she was attached to.




Answer: It can either be a saving grace like in Tsunade's situation or a misfortune (arguably) like the situation in the current chapter might be implying. Having that sort of connection or dependency on an outside source can make you susceptible to dangers that would otherwise not be a problem for you.

Say for instance if for whatever reason Ma and Pa stopped moulding sage chakra for Jiraiya in his fight with Pain. They continue to gather natural energy but they're not refining it to make it stable or usable. Their bodies are petrified and because of the fusion Jiraiya becomes stone as well since he wouldn't be able to mould the chakra himself as he's battling. Who's responsibility is it in that situation?

Basically, the chakra can increase or decrease your chance of survival depending on what becomes of Katsuyu.

I know it wasn't addressed to me...I just wanted to know if you'd answered because I hadn't seen it, yeesh.

 

And yea actually it does apply with what I'm trying to prove to you. Why? Because it shows that Katsuyu didn't need to be there in order for those ninjas to die, so there's no way that any of this is Sakura or Katsuyu's fault because they would have died anyway.  Naruto got off lucky, and so did Shikamaru. And I'd like to remind you that Katsuyu, as far as I can remember, didn't even link with Naruto (because Sakura healed him herself). Understand what I'm trying to say now?

 

Another point that I'd like to make is why would the tree target the smaller source of chakra rather than the larger? Even with the way Katsuyu states what occured, you get that impression: "The chakra was sucked together WITH the rest, and my parts died." Not "The chakra was sucked, causing the ninjas to die because I had some kind of special link with them." Basically what Katsuyu is saying that, it not only targeted the people, but also even the smallest slug. They basically had the same fate. Katsuyu couldn't heal them or do anything because her parts had died as well.

 

Edit: My school's computer makes me skip keys ;-;, so I apologize for the spelling errors.

Edited by Qia, 17 September 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[harry4e]

I don't think Shikamaru is dead, there was the .... speech bubble in his panel so i'm guessing Naruto's feelings got through to him, This will probably spur on Sakura who will heal him, Poor Saratobi not the best way to learn your son died, via a telepathic link with Naruto, he can't even mourn his death...but then again he's also dead so...not sure how that would work.

 

Very emotional chapter, looks like Kishi is playing his 'fuel the shipping fanbase' games again with the last panel, showing Sakura's reaction first then Hinata's at the end, giving both NaruSaku and NaruHina fans reason to beleive it's a win for their pairing. Sakura was the first person that knew whose emotion they were feeling, proving that she knows Naruto better than anyone else, but Hinata was the last panel after it went back to Naruto.

 

Karin is getting uber creepy again, in the middle of a war, with death all around her and a giant Chakra stealing Tree, that she can probably sense better than anyone else, and her first thoughts are about Sasuke and licking him. Though I wonder with her also being a Uzumaki, if she's able to use her healing technique with Naruto chakra to heal multiple people at once, maybe even use the Juubis' chakra somehow as her healing methods to include litterally sucking out charka from herself, with Kurama being a creature created from the Juubi, it's might be possible, to suck the chakra out of it for healing...though it's unliky to happen.