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[PhenixElite]

 
It culminates in the end of her involvement in the fighting as well unless there is a statement or action to suggest the contrary in the coming chapters. 
 
 
There was no expressed limit to Sakura providing healing services for the shinobi on the battlefield. Her comment was that she was was prepared to restore anyone's wounds if necessary. There isn't any citation for when she would stop using the remote healing jutsu or when she would rejoin her team. If Sakura was only intent on healing the Alliance once then resuming her attacks, why remain passive? Why not charge headfirst into the conflict so she can reduce the numbers of the Alliance's enemies?
 
There is a sufficient amount of evidence to argue that she wants to continue healing or remain in a support role. I can't say the same for the argument that she'll charge directly into Tobi now that he's the Juubi's jinchuuriki. We aren't even aware of the replicas' status. It's possible that they're still lingering about, pushing grunts back as they desperately struggle to hold off their unending assault. 
 
 
And my theories are denounced as being impractical or unlikely by some people. I'll restate my above point. 
 
"There was no expressed limit to Sakura providing healing services for the shinobi on the battlefield. Her comment was that she was was prepared to restore anyone's wounds if necessary. There isn't any citation for when she would stop using the remote healing jutsu or when she would rejoin her team."
 
 
 It's possible, but until Sakura is pulling out Byakugou jutsu, avoidance feats on par with what she performed during the Sasori fight, Slug Sage Mode, or a combination of all these then she is still inferior to her teacher. 
 
 
 
Why have every single shinobi endanger themselves like that? If they are wanting to take a strategic manuever then the commanding officers should only send out their combat-oriented soldiers. Medics and other support personnel should remain back so they provide their services to any of the shinobi who are injured or require assistance. 
 
I can't even begin to fully express how impractical and unnecessary that would be. If the barrier is no longer required then the Hokages are available to fight as well now. This includes the "god of shinobi" Hashirama who is capable of holding his own against the Jubi. Sending out every single person right down to the medical staff and lowly Genin would result in them dying either by Tobi, the replicas (provided they're still around), or the collateral damage from the battle raging by those who can actually manage a competent offense.  

 
 
 
We already compared and contrasted Sakura with Tsunade. The teacher is the more capable and logical choice to make if either of them were going to fight.

Karin? She doesn't have remote healing. From what I understand of the healing methods she uses it apparently takes a considerable of time for the recipient of her chakra to be healed and they require direct physical contact with Karin for her to restore their strength. You might as well have Ino go out to heal everyone as her methods require less time and awkward physical intimacy.  
 
 
 
 
I suggested that several times already as being her recourse to resume fighting but at the moment Katsuyu isn't healing anyone by herself. It needs to be brought up for discussion in the manga before we can take it seriously. 
 
 
 
Actually, there is some indications when you analyse the wording from the panel I provided but even if you remove that she still is not taking any initiatives.
 
 
 
And this isn't possible whilst she's fighting, because? Shikamaru and the other rookies are suspicious of Sasuke as well but that doesn't mean they're sitting back, staring languidly as people are fighting and suffering around them. 
 
 
 
No, it's just the primary motivation for her seeking out Tsunade to better develop her abilities and become a competent shinobi so she could fight alongside Naruto. 
 
 
 
 
A hero takes initiative, they distinguish themselves by displaying acts of unbreakable fortitude and strength through their actions. Courage, strength, ambition, perseverance... Sakura has the makings of a hero but Kishi isn't properly executing the role for her. 
 
Hero/Protagonist != Support Character
 
Which one is it? Naruto and Sasuke have always been portrayed as the protagonists of this manga even when they weren't the focus. I can't argue the same for Sakura. 
 
 
 
So this one-dimensional fixation of her feelings on Sasuke and Naruto is the only characteristic that Sakura has? She has no conflicts with other characters, no external demons to  deal with, or any purpose for her actions at all besides her romance subplot? People accuse other characters for having a single-minded mindset and yet the impression I'm getting here is that it's acceptable so long as Sakura displays those traits. That just seems hypocritical to me. 
 
 
That's not the final extremity of her character. Sakura has other subplots and aspects of her character to resolve that don't revolve around that man. 
 
 
Including the people who are capable of minimizing those casualties by continuing to heal. 
 
 
That appeared to be spoken in the context that she could now fight alongside them. Not that she was their equal in ability. 
 
 
Medical activities are a supplementary practice, one that focuses on assisting those who go out to bring about changes in the world or in battle. Does that resonate with someone who is referred to as a hero? Is staying back and healing fodder off-screen a person's ideal of a hero? For most that isn't true. 
 
 
What is so significant that she could distinguish herself as the protagonist by healing people? The scope and potency of her healing is profound, but it does nothing to suggest that she is in any way more significant than other female characters. Hell, I've seen people make argues to suggest that Ino has qualities that are more definable as a heroine. Unrelenting courage in the face of danger, passion, determination... And she's intended to be a support-based character.

Kishi can make a bungling mess of an effort when attempting to portray a heroine but my god, at least try to offer enough narrative development to adequately confirm that this character is indeed the heroine so there isn't anyone questioning whether so-and-so would be a better choice.

Omg not again, all i see is a wall of text.

Sorry dude, i really dont have the time nor the intrest to waste that much time in discussing a subject thats most likely going to be resolved within the next volume. So we´ll see whos right within the next weeks i guess.

 

But you guys really have a lot of issues with this manga dont ya?
 

[redragon88]

@Atheck Your posts remind me of a very loooooooooong post I made a while ago, explaining how disappointed I am regarding Kishi's handling of Sakura  I feel you buddy.

 

It's one of the many reasons I hate parallels. I want Kishi to give actual developments instead of using parallels to show indirectly how much the characters have grown and how much the characters are important in the story. 

 

Another thing I hate is the Edo Tensei. The dead are dead.

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against protagonists. I understand. 

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against villains. I don't understand. Why let the dead do the fighting, when there are characters in the current generation that needs development? Why let Itachi fight against Kabuto? Or let the dead Kages fight against Madara? 

Making the dead do the fighting contradicts with the younger generation surpassing the old. If the younger generation is supposed to surpass the old generation, they should do the fighting and take care of their problems.

 

Well, despite his genius level talent Itachi explained that because he wanted to do everything alone he only ended up making one screw up after another, so maybe this was Kishi's way to have Itachi finally do something good before leaving forever.

 

As far as the dead Hokages, until we see the end of this battle I don't really have an opinion about it. Madara, Obito and the Juubi are still in the fight, so the only thing they've done is prevent the alliance from having more casualties. And despite their presence that didn't prevent Obito from fulfilling his plan of becoming the Juubi's jinchuriki.

[sushi.]

@Atheck Your posts remind me of a very loooooooooong post I made a while ago, explaining how disappointed I am regarding Kishi's handling of Sakura  I feel you buddy.

 

It's one of the many reasons I hate parallels. I want Kishi to give actual developments instead of using parallels to show indirectly how much the characters have grown and how much the characters are important in the story. 

 

Another thing I hate is the Edo Tensei. The dead are dead.

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against protagonists. I understand. 

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against villains. I don't understand. Why let the dead do the fighting, when there are characters in the current generation that needs development? Why let Itachi fight against Kabuto? Or let the dead Kages fight against Madara? 

Making the dead do the fighting contradicts with the younger generation surpassing the old. If the younger generation is supposed to surpass the old generation, they should do the fighting and take care of their problems.

I don't particularly like the parallels either. I want the characters to be a character of their own, because parallels reminds me too much of destiny. Naruto should not get with Sakura because Jiraiya couldn't get with Tsunade, but because they have the deepest bond. I can handle parallels if they are simple foreshadowings, like the forehead kisses.

 

About the Edo, I partly agree. The reason I don't like ET is because Naruto &Co aren't fighting real people. They're fighting zombies and the deaths are one-sided. The tragic thing about war is that many times there are good and evil guys at both sides(GoT XD). The shinobi are not killing real people, you only have tragedy at one side. In a real war, people are forced to kill for the safety of the world, but the only human they're fighting is Obito.

 

I think the point Tobirama tried to demonstrate with ET was a second chance. To fix your past mistakes, the next generation shouldn't do the all the dirty jobs. Itachi was the only one who could take Kabuto, but he left the rest to Naruto. As long as the dead Kages won't steal the show, I am fine with their presence. The rookies just shined a few chapters ago anyway, that looked like fanservice and I didn't like it.

Edited by sushi., 04 July 2013 - 04:07 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

 

Well, despite his genius level talent Itachi explained that because he wanted to do everything alone he only ended up making one screw up after another, so maybe this was Kishi's way to have Itachi finally do something good before leaving forever.

 

As far as the dead Hokages, until we see the end of this battle I don't really have an opinion about it. Madara, Obito and the Juubi are still in the fight, so the only thing they've done is prevent the alliance from having more casualties. And despite their presence that didn't prevent Obito from fulfilling his plan of becoming the Juubi's jinchuriki.

The problem I have with Itachi is that the readers already know now that he was a good guy all along. Kishi made it clear after Itachi's death. Therefore I don't see any necessities for Kishi to show Itachi doing something good. Not to mention, these characters come back alive and easily accomplish things they couldn't when they were alive-it's as easy as if you go back home realizing you forgot a purse. This makes their death cheap. Because there's no need to feel emotional when it's just so easy to come back to life and finish off what you intended to do. 

 

Well, I see your point about the dead Hokages. I should leave my judgement until later chapters. 

[redragon88]

The problem I have with Itachi is that the readers already know now that he was a good guy all along. Kishi made it clear after Itachi's death. Therefore I don't see any necessities for Kishi to show Itachi doing something good. Not to mention, these characters come back alive and easily accomplish things they couldn't when they were alive-it's as easy as if you go back home realizing you forgot a purse. This makes their death cheap. Because there's no need to feel emotional when it's just so easy to come back to life and finish off what you intended to do. 

 

Well, I see your point about the dead Hokages. I should leave my judgement until later chapters. 

 

You misunderstood me, I didn't say good within the scale of good and evil. When I said good I meant it as Itachi finally doing something and not screwing it up as he had done with everything else in his life.

 

I get why you would rather have characters stay dead, unfortunately Kishi doesn't share that perspective with you. In the end this is just a difference of opinion between yourself and the author.

 

I personally did like the idea of the edo tensei at the beginning of the war, but I also think it could've been handles better. But hey, Kishi is still human and bound to make some decisions that aren't in the favor of some.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't mind too much of ET, because villains come out as people who don't need to worry about deaths as oppose to the heroes and to make matter worse, they have to suffer by fighting people who they love, so I thought it was interesting. I did like how Kakashi mentioned how it's not only messed up that they have to fight people they love but also the ET themselves don't want to because of Kabuto, losing their control. That said yeah it is a bit overdoing it, but the latest revival is cool with me. That and it lasted too long for the arc to stretch so far. Plus it does create conclusion within the relationships of many, so again, I'm ok. Just a bit overdoing it.

 

However, I am happy that we do have Obito in the front and honestly, he's been my favorite villain thus far for many reasons. As I have said many times before, I was more interested in Obito vs. Naruto because of their characters and backgrounds. It needed to happen and when I thought he was going to die this soon, I'll be honest, I was bit disappointed, because I feel like while he will leave as a tragic character, I want Obito and Naruto feud to draw a conclusion. I see Obito using his never giving up tactic on the dark side of the way, especially in the current event, and I like that. I like when the villain has the same tactic as the hero, only in the dark route, because I always dislike at times that villain(s) in any media seem to be nerfed or can't never gain the same ideal as the hero, like they will always have no winning purpose because they don't have a "reason" to fight for. That's why I enjoyed Obito getting that hero's treatment back in the flashback when Zetsu commented how amazing his progress gotten when fighting the mist, not to mention how he trained like a hero. Again, a dark Naruto. I can go on, but I can't helped but feel so hyped that Naruto (with others) vs. Obito is officially happening. Great, because this is the guy who ruined a potential future for Naruto and this needs to be addressed.

 

As for parallels, again, they only addressed to the audience, no one is being forced to be this pairing. It's just a normal writing tactic that many uses. Actually, I remember an old childhood show that even Hey Arnold! has a parallel. In one episode, Arnold got frustrated that he kept getting picked on by Helga, so his grandpa believes that that girl loves him and Arnold doubted it. So his grandpa tells him the story that he got picked on too and he was living some life. In the end, after Arnold left, grandma was with grandpa, looking at old albums. Grandma pointed at the girl from the flashback, who she revealed that it was her. I know parallel(s) could be annoying but it is a writing technique. So long no one is forced to go to a specific pairing because of this or that, I'll be fine.

[Canadian_DJ]

Omg not again, all i see is a wall of text.
Sorry dude, i really dont have the time nor the intrest to waste that much time in discussing a subject thats most likely going to be resolved within the next volume. So we´ll see whos right within the next weeks i guess.
 
But you guys really have a lot of issues with this manga dont ya?

Nope, nothin' here

[ladyannelise]

as much as i like to see Sakura, im okay if Kishi didn't show her in the last 2 chapters.. we have to understand, this is a battlefield and Kishi is bringing everyone in the same place, so there's so many characters that he needs to input and incorporate into the scene.. Sakura may be the heroine and there's so much she can do, but the whole story doesn't revolve around her.. we were given some chapters that highlighted her and we know that that's not all she can do, Kishi will be showing her more in the future but this may not be the time yet.. as we've noticed in the past chapters, we kind of predicted some scenes and we know where it's leading us but Kishi still managd to surprise us.. let's have a little more faith in this sensei.
cheers!

[ramenanmitsu]

 

You misunderstood me, I didn't say good within the scale of good and evil. When I said good I meant it as Itachi finally doing something and not screwing it up as he had done with everything else in his life.

 

I get why you would rather have characters stay dead, unfortunately Kishi doesn't share that perspective with you. In the end this is just a difference of opinion between yourself and the author.

 

I personally did like the idea of the edo tensei at the beginning of the war, but I also think it could've been handles better. But hey, Kishi is still human and bound to make some decisions that aren't in the favor of some.

Thanks for clearing that up. It still doesn't change the disturbing notion that the dead characters easily come back to life to accomplish what they couldn't previously. As I said, the ET does this accomplishing task so easily as if they are going back home from the supermarket to retrieve a forgotten purse. Won't it be disturbing if somehow Jiraiya was brought back to life and decided to bring peace back to the world which he couldn't accomplish before? What is Naruto for? What are the new generation for then? (If the previous dead people are going to solve all the problems of the current generation.)

 

Yeah, I guess you're right. Kishi and I share different perspectives. After all, he created this huge world that is Naruto, and all the characters and plots with extremely beautiful drawing. There are bound to be one or two things he would fail/or I wouldn't understand about. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Thanks for clearing that up. It still doesn't change the disturbing notion that the dead characters easily come back to life to accomplish what they couldn't previously. As I said, the ET does this accomplishing task so easily as if they are going back home from the supermarket to retrieve a forgotten purse. Won't it be disturbing if somehow Jiraiya was brought back to life and decided to bring peace back to the world which he couldn't accomplish before? What is Naruto for? What are the new generation for then? (If the previous dead people are going to solve all the problems of the current generation.)

 

Yeah, I guess you're right. Kishi and I share different perspectives. After all, he created this huge world that is Naruto, and all the characters and plots with extremely beautiful drawing. There are bound to be one or two things he would fail/or I wouldn't understand about. 

Second with you, i'm not interested on Naruto as i was before, that's why i'm not coming here often.
It got obvious that Naruto and Sakura will be together solely because Sasuke left the village and no matter what he does the fact that Sasuke is evi will play an huge role on NaruSaku.

Also this Obito thing got tiresome, last panel was about him distancing from Rin and Kakashi and that flashback with his teacher.

 

Too and agree with the Edo Tensei thing, Naruto and Cia had failed when they could not stop that bijuu bomb and Minato saved them.

The story was always crap, but it crossed the line, NS becoming canon or not will not change the fact that the story is crap, too much forced things by the author last chapter is another one of those things, why obito didnt become the jinchuuriki since the start? Why Jiraiya didnt come back? Sakura's seal only awakening right when Sasuke come back and Naruto and Sasuke are about going to fight and it awaken on a situation that was less important than the other's who happened on the manga, well it become ridiculous.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 05 July 2013 - 12:37 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

@Atheck Your posts remind me of a very loooooooooong post I made a while ago, explaining how disappointed I am regarding Kishi's handling of Sakura  I feel you buddy.

 

It's one of the many reasons I hate parallels. I want Kishi to give actual developments instead of using parallels to show indirectly how much the characters have grown and how much the characters are important in the story. 

 

Another thing I hate is the Edo Tensei. The dead are dead.

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against protagonists. I understand. 

Bringing back strong dead people to fight against villains. I don't understand. Why let the dead do the fighting, when there are characters in the current generation that needs development? Why let Itachi fight against Kabuto? Or let the dead Kages fight against Madara? 

Making the dead do the fighting contradicts with the younger generation surpassing the old. If the younger generation is supposed to surpass the old generation, they should do the fighting and take care of their problems.

 

Because, even though the younger generation is supposed to surpass the former generations...doesn't mean they're at the same skill the older generations now.

 

Look at the the only 2 on par with their enemies, Naruto and Sasuke.  The only reason why they're as powerful as the dead Kage are because 1's a Jinchuuriki of the strongest Tailed Beast (or 2nd strongest, Juubi's presumably stronger) and the other's in possession of the Sharingan hax.  They were practically born with inherent advantages to combat compared to their peers.

 

 

Also, here's an argument I've made before, compared to Hashirama and Madara's time, the current generation has lived in an era of relative peace, sometimes that means that their combat skills diminished compared to the warborn Hashirama and Madara.  

 

At the age that the Rookie 9 graduated from their Academy, Hashirama and Madara were probably already fighting in battles everyday.

 

You can see it in their skillset, The Yamanaka's abilities are mostly useful for intelligence, and it requires them to be static, which meant they're vulnerable unless they're guarded.  You've got the Hyuuga and their focus on single-target attacks.  Shikamaru's low endurance meant that he hasn't really been motivated to keep training until recently.   While viable in the battlefield, they don't all do as big a damage as their previous generations.

 

In other words, the current generation is complacent.

[StriderC]

Omg not again, all i see is a wall of text.

Sorry dude, i really dont have the time nor the intrest to waste that much time in discussing a subject thats most likely going to be resolved within the next volume. So we´ll see whos right within the next weeks i guess.

 

But you guys really have a lot of issues with this manga dont ya?
 

LMAO! Poor Phenix.  

[PhenixElite]

LMAO! Poor Phenix.

Indeed XD
I hate LAPs!

[Verilance]

I can't find any conformation but I read a rumour that both Naruto and One Piece will be entirely in colour next chapter,

[Jake]

I can't find any conformation but I read a rumour that both Naruto and One Piece will be entirely in colour next chapter,

 

Somehow I doubt that it's true.

[Verilance]

it is to celebrate the launch if Shonen Jump online to more than just North America it may just be older chapters but it is supposed to be One Punch man as well

 

 

North American manga publisher Viz Media announced at Anime Expo on Thursday that it is expanding the availability of itsWeekly Shonen Jump digital magazine. The digital magazine is available now for readers in the United Kingdom, Ireland, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. Readers must subscribe to the magazine through Apple's Newsstand app. Subscribers outside of the United States and Canada will not be able to access back issues, and will not be able to receive the physicalYu-Gi-Oh! card bonuses, but will have access to all other digital bonuses.

In addition, there will be a special issue on July 15 with full-color chapters of One Piece, Naruto, and One Punch Man.

Viz Media launched the Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha magazine in the United States and Canada only in January 2012. The magazine featured installments of Bakuman., Bleach, Naruto, Nura: Rise of the Yokai Clan, One Piece, and Toriko two weeks after their debut in Japan.

Viz Media then re-launched the magazine in January 2013 as just Weekly Shonen Jump and now features installments of manga on the same day that they are released in Japan. Current series include Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Toriko, Cross Manage, Nisekoi, World Trigger, One-Punch Man, full-color Dragon Ball, Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal, and Blue Exorcist. The magazine willadd Akira Toriyama's new Jaco the Galactic Patrolman manga on July 15.

Update: Weekly Shonen Jump Editor Andy Nakatani noted that since Viz began publishing the magazine digitally, it has not made any edits for content.

Update 2: Weekly Shonen Jump will be available in those five new English-speaking regions on Android "soon."

from A.N.N

 

but I once read never believe anything that is on A.N.N. lol

[Jake]

it is to celebrate the launch if Shonen Jump online to more than just North America it may just be older chapters but it is supposed to be One Punch man as well

 

 

but I once read never believe anything that is on A.N.N. lol

 

It could also be something exclusive to the digital copy.

[Verilance]

I should read the entire issue when I buy it lol

 

 

it may just be on the online version true

 

also the Japanese issue of WSJ comes out on the Saturday next week July 13 so we may get an early chapter (we sometimes do if the magazine comes out on Saturday)

Edited by Verilance, 06 July 2013 - 01:55 AM.

[Hiraishin]

I should read the entire issue when I buy it lol



it may just be on the online version true

also the Japanese issue of WSJ comes out on the Saturday next week July 13 so we may get an early chapter (we sometimes do if the magazine comes out on Saturday)

Dude, a full-colour chapter!? That's so cool! I've always wanted that! I hope it's true.

I think it'll probably that week's chapter that will be in full colour, but if it's an old one, I hope it has Sakura in it. Hell, if it really is the new chapter that'll be in full colour, I hope Sakura's in it. Either way, I want to see Sakura in next week's chapter. xD

PLUS we get an early chapter next week? This is shaping up to be great.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 06 July 2013 - 06:54 AM.

[T XD]

We'll get the chapter earlier ? Is it on next Tuesday ?

Edited by T XD, 06 July 2013 - 09:25 AM.