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[TouKen4Life3g]

To be honest, I have no hope for Hinata at all. As you said, he kind of just pushes development into her and says "accept it." I kind of given up on Hinata period on this one. Her rushed writing and development is I feel just supposed to catch her up to the rest. Unlike Sakura, who has worked hard to where she is. This is another reason why I feel NH has no hope simply because there is no ground to stand on at this point.

I see NaruHina like a bucket used in target practice. It can still hold water, but not for long until the "holes" drain it. To be honest, I don't even notice Hinata anymore. I literally can ignore each and every moment with her and the story would still make sense. At times even make more sense.

It's hard for me to explain, but it's just...there is just nothing to work off of and anything that can deemed as "workable" is just shallow and makes no sense. I literally can cover my hands over Hinata this chapter and the chapter would still make sense. That's how "important" she is to me.

Bolded: If he really did that, then he would lose not only NS fans, but regular fans as well that are not even into the pairing wars. To have a no nothing character come out of nowhere and be the most important thing is by far the dumbest thing he can do to the story. I doubt he will do that, but there is that chance Hinata will be there for the Sasuke battle and get involved somehow. And I know NH fans will just ooh and ahhh at it saying "Hinata really has been there the whole time."

If Kishimoto did that he would literally go against EVERY thing that part 1 and early part 2 stood for and not just in pairing wars either.

I feel like Kishi is trying to eliminate as many as he can, Hinata included, in order for Naruto and Sakura to be left standing and gear up for Team 7 developments. No chakra protection, Hinata resume the Hyuuga defense mode, which is in the front line in which like asking for a easy knock out or killed, and Sakura is with Naruto like literally, so it seems Kishi is eliminating everyone out of the field before Sasuke's arrival. I noticed that the alliance is growing weaker and weaker by every chapter and the last blast was the last time they were protected, but now no kyuubi chakra means you are on your own. If Obito returns, it's only going to make matters worse.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 08 May 2013 - 04:47 PM.

[HauntedCake]

I feel like Kishi is trying to eliminate as many as he can, Hinata included, in order for Naruto and Sakura to be left standing and gear up for Team 7 developments. No chakra protection, Hinata resume the Hyuuga defense mode, which is in the front line in which like asking for a easy knock out or killed, and Sakura is with Naruto like literally, so it seems Kishi is eliminating everyone out of the field before Sasuke's arrival. I noticed that the alliance is growing weaker and weaker by every chapter and the last blast was the last time they were protected, but now no kyuubi chakra means you are on your own. If Obito returns, it's only going to make matters worse.

Maybe Hinata/defence line will be wiped out to protect Naruto next juubi attack???

[harry4e]

To talk a bit more about Hinata's progression, she's suddenly acting like the commado but she has the least experience from the Konoha 11, her biggest mission was the scout mission to find Itachi before Sasuke does, and they failed that mission. She wasn't there for the retrieve Sasuke mission and defeat the Sound four mission, she wasn't there for the save Gaara mission or the fight against Hidan and Kakuzu missions, she didn't even go to the mission to find Naruto to tell him their plan about Sasuke. She has the least experience as the leader, heck she's not even the leader in her own team. Shikamaru and Sakura would have made more sense to take the lead, as they've had the most experience and had to step up in these these situtations before. Infact everyone apart from her would make more sense. I didn't understand what pissed me off about Hinata in this chapter when I first read it, but after reading it again, I realised it was because Kishi just threw away a decade worth of charactor progression and when the time came he gave it to the least deserving charactor, Might as well have had TenTen take the lead.

[James S Cassidy]

I feel like Kishi is trying to eliminate as many as he can, Hinata included, in order for Naruto and Sakura to be left standing and gear up for Team 7 developments. No chakra protection, Hinata resume the Hyuuga defense mode, which is in the front line in which like asking for a easy knock out or killed, and Sakura is with Naruto like literally, so it seems Kishi is eliminating everyone out of the field before Sasuke's arrival. I noticed that the alliance is growing weaker and weaker by every chapter and the last blast was the last time they were protected, but now no kyuubi chakra means you are on your own. If Obito returns, it's only going to make matters worse.

Perhaps. I still hold faith that Sakura major importance will come at the time when Sasuke comes back. This is why we really have no moments of it with her because he development is plot related. That is both a good thing and a bad thing because it means she will get so much focus on important aspects, but it leaves many moments open and sometimes as it is now gets minor involvement until the important story aspect allow.

I am okay with it. I know some of you aren't, but I am okay with this. It just means that when the real story kicks in then Naruto and Sakura will have their day in the sun. Even Naruto in this war is not taking as big of role as you might think he would. he is not exactly doing it all by himself and that Hinata's moments take away more than just from Sakura, but from Naruto and other of the Konoha 11 as well. It's funny why I am not angry at this fact. I guess I just reached a contentment about it figured either Kishi is just trying to keep a fanbase happy until the real story comes in or he is just screwing up his story all together.

[tricksie]

Umm, I have a different opinion. You know, Rin used to be a jinchuuriki. What does this mean? Kushina was also a jinchuuriki. Sasuke = Kakashi, Sakura = Rin, Naruto = Obito sooooo... Sakura = Kushina again!

But for the worse, Sakura may die. :/ You know, she hasn't have a power-up so far. She only heals! This sometimes drives me insane... If they seal the juubi into Sakura, she may die and so on... What do you think about my theory?

Yeah, women have played such uber-important roles in the past in the manga, I've often wondered if Kishmoto won't turn the whole thing upside down in the final arc and create a situation where the kyuubi/bijuus are ripped out of Naruto and Sakura has to be the next jinchurikki. Since her chakra control is as good or better than Tsunade's. No more flashbacks, just truly a 'do or die' situation. Instead of being a girl who has no choice, Sakura would be a woman who did.

[rocci]

Wow so many lap from the posters.
Okay, I believe that sakura will get development in this war AND in narusasu last battle.
And for me her development will come in the form of rin parallel.
If the like of sasuke, Hinata, team 10, hiashi, and all characters who has conflict to resolve and has resolved than why not sakura?

[Atheck]

Umm, I have a different opinion. You know, Rin used to be a jinchuuriki. What does this mean? Kushina was also a jinchuuriki. Sasuke = Kakashi, Sakura = Rin, Naruto = Obito sooooo... Sakura = Kushina again!

But for the worse, Sakura may die. :/ You know, she hasn't have a power-up so far. She only heals! This sometimes drives me insane... If they seal the juubi into Sakura, she may die and so on... What do you think about my theory?

It's unlikely given Kishi's efforts to typify Sakura as being a "normal girl" (which by Kishi's standards appears to imply a lack of incredibly powerful abilities that would increase her combat status so that she's equal with her teammates) despite her unique proclivity for genjutsu (a quality no one else shares excluding a few like Itachi) and status as the apprentice of Tsunade. Now I do believe that Sakura, being one of the few shinobi who is still active in this battle, may result in a greater emphasis on her character since the situation appears to be establishing a potential Team 7 gathering. Whoever presented that potentiality deserves praise IMO. It's definitely possible considering the circumstances. That may be what Kishi is leading to.

[rocci]

It's unlikely given Kishi's efforts to typify Sakura as being a "normal girl" (which by Kishi's standards appears to imply a lack of incredibly powerful abilities that would increase her combat status so that she's equal with her teammates) despite her unique proclivity for genjutsu (a quality no one else shares excluding a few like Itachi) and status as the apprentice of Tsunade. Now I do believe that Sakura, being one of the few shinobi who is still active in this battle, may result in a greater emphasis on her character since the situation appears to be establishing a potential Team 7 gathering. Whoever presented that potentiality deserves praise IMO. It's definitely possible considering the circumstances. That may be what Kishi is leading to.

I believe there will be sakura development before sasuke arrive that will lead to obito redemption and maybe obito perform resurection.

[FoolishYoungling]

Ya know, with Sasuke about to show up and all. Isn't it odd how Naruto and Sakura are beside one another right now? I'm really hoping the two of them can talk a little before he shows up. After all, Sakura is stuck healing him, and Naruto is stuck waiting for her to get done. Maybe Naruto can tell her his feelings haven't changed. Please Kishi!

[rocci]

Ya know, with Sasuke about to show up and all. Isn't it odd how Naruto and Sakura are beside one another right now? I'm really hoping the two of them can talk a little before he shows up. After all, Sakura is stuck healing him, and Naruto is stuck waiting for her to get done. Maybe Naruto can tell her his feelings haven't changed. Please Kishi!

I think we must wait until NS the last shinobi standing, after that expect teh drama.

[Codus N]

I believe that Tobi is deceiving himself, at least somewhat.

So it's not just from a psychological or emotional point of view that you need to look at but an economic one as well. How do you address the matter of a system of violence and death being the indispensable means to making sure that your country does not plummet into abject poverty? If there is no conflict in the world then what is the purpose to learning how to become a shinobi? Is it to simply attain some propagandized notion of "enlightenment" akin to what Orochimaru is seeking? How can you apply that to where the sacrifices (financially, mentally, and ect.) necessitated to providing that education and training is compensated in some way?

This is probably just me reaching a bit too far. I doubt Kishi will address these little details at the end of the manga. Still, it's something to think about and pick holes at.

I agree. I think that Obito is definitely trying so hard to lie to himself about his true feelings. All it takes is just one trigger good enough to bring that facade of his crashing down.

I completely understand where you're coming from. But I was talking in the context of Obito's character and what he's all about. Obito's "goal" is to end the cycle of hatred. Like I said, I completely understand your point. But I want to focus on this since this is Obito's theme. Obito despises the current system of Shinobi, and thus wants to create a world where Rin is alive and free from that cycle. Obito's entire motivation stems from the fact that the shinobi system is at fault, forcing Rin into the situation she was forced into.

P.S.: I liked MS's line better about Kakashi feeling guilty. It's so much more psychologically-breaking.

Edited by Codus N, 08 May 2013 - 05:38 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I agree. I think that Obito is definitely trying so hard to lie to himself about his true feelings. All it takes is just one trigger good enough to bring that facade of his crashing down.

I completely understand where you're coming from. But I was talking in the context of Obito's character and what he's all about. Obito's "goal" is to end the cycle of hatred. Like I said, I completely understand your point. But I want to focus on this since this is Obito's theme. Obito despises the current system of Shinobi, and thus wants to create a world where Rin is alive and free from that cycle. Obito's entire motivation stems from the fact that the shinobi system is at fault, forcing Rin into the situation she was forced into.

Yep and even contradicts what he's saying about not caring about them anymore and about the fact that he's not doing that for him and Rin, he even states that this Kakashi and the rin that died was a fake.

[Inferno180]

Ya know, with Sasuke about to show up and all. Isn't it odd how Naruto and Sakura are beside one another right now? I'm really hoping the two of them can talk a little before he shows up. After all, Sakura is stuck healing him, and Naruto is stuck waiting for her to get done. Maybe Naruto can tell her his feelings haven't changed. Please Kishi!

This can very well happen and it is possible. Naruto and sakura being behind everything are beside one another. They may just have interaction as sakura heals him. They may talk about the battle, more friendship, etc.

Though this depends on 2 things.
1. The focus may be on Kakashi and obito
2. It depends on of when we see the ten tails fight again, naruto is either healed fully or in the middle of it. Depends on if Kishi devotes screen time to them or just cuts back to activite fighting when we see them next.

There is a small margin of interaction for them right now. Either way though, things may be setting up for sakura, she always had the potential, now she just needs to unleash it all and show what a heroine she can be. Well Kishi needs to do that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Maybe Hinata/defence line will be wiped out to protect Naruto next juubi attack???

That's my point or at least some of it. If Naruto don't recover asap, then there will be casualty. Not that K9 will die but they will be sweep.

Perhaps. I still hold faith that Sakura major importance will come at the time when Sasuke comes back. This is why we really have no moments of it with her because he development is plot related. That is both a good thing and a bad thing because it means she will get so much focus on important aspects, but it leaves many moments open and sometimes as it is now gets minor involvement until the important story aspect allow.

I am okay with it. I know some of you aren't, but I am okay with this. It just means that when the real story kicks in then Naruto and Sakura will have their day in the sun. Even Naruto in this war is not taking as big of role as you might think he would. he is not exactly doing it all by himself and that Hinata's moments take away more than just from Sakura, but from Naruto and other of the Konoha 11 as well. It's funny why I am not angry at this fact. I guess I just reached a contentment about it figured either Kishi is just trying to keep a fanbase happy until the real story comes in or he is just screwing up his story all together.

It's true. The whole battle is always been about how friends can protect Naruto, as to say "You did enough, now it's time for us to do it for you." Sakura is part of it, but not only for it. If Naruto/Sakura remain together, then that means something is being set up, especially how others seem to be determined to protect Naruto to the point they're pretty much going to take the damage. Plus, no Kyuubi chakra protection, so now the stake is higher. The next phase of a battle is slowly changing to Team 7 center with Kakashi dealing with Obito, Naruto with Sakura dealing with Juubi, and perhaps Sasuke dealing with Madara along with Hashirama. I think the others (not sure on Taka) will go and stop Juubi. Still in 2nd chapter and the climax is getting clearer every chapter.

Umm, I have a different opinion. You know, Rin used to be a jinchuuriki. What does this mean? Kushina was also a jinchuuriki. Sasuke = Kakashi, Sakura = Rin, Naruto = Obito sooooo... Sakura = Kushina again!

But for the worse, Sakura may die. :/ You know, she hasn't have a power-up so far. She only heals! This sometimes drives me insane... If they seal the juubi into Sakura, she may die and so on... What do you think about my theory?

If Sakura dies, oh man, TnJ for Obito is over-confirmed. To me, I feel that Obito is pretty much confirmed to be TnJ before his death because he can't die, unless you can use Kamui, but that won't work. Not only that, but Kakashi is now limited because of no Kyuubi and why kill a guy who has the power to revive. To me, that pretty much seals it.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 08 May 2013 - 05:40 PM.

[Nefertieh]

Somebody needs to resurrect Rin. Especially now considering we know she sacrificed herself for her village. I want to see her tell Obito that he inspired her or that she believed in him. Maybe that would be what would make him believe in Naruto. :')

[Codus N]

Somebody needs to resurrect Rin. Especially now considering we know she sacrificed herself for her village. I want to see her tell Obito that he inspired her or that she believed in him. Maybe that would be what would make him believe in Naruto. :')

I already have a theory about that and it'll take Isobu's help to do it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Somebody needs to resurrect Rin. Especially now considering we know she sacrificed herself for her village. I want to see her tell Obito that he inspired her or that she believed in him. Maybe that would be what would make him believe in Naruto. :')

Well, someone needs her DNA or whatever requirements to bring her back.

[redragon88]

Ya know, with Sasuke about to show up and all. Isn't it odd how Naruto and Sakura are beside one another right now? I'm really hoping the two of them can talk a little before he shows up. After all, Sakura is stuck healing him, and Naruto is stuck waiting for her to get done. Maybe Naruto can tell her his feelings haven't changed. Please Kishi!

I'm not sure if he would go that far considering there's the whole issue about not confessing before Sasuke is dealt with.

But I do want them to at least exchange some sentences before Sasuke arrives. The last time they properly talked was during the confession so ever since then their conversations have been relegated to small exchanges of situational phrases so as to avoid bringing up where they stand now.

If the romantic development between Naruto and Sakura was meant to be ended in the Summit arc then they would've had a chapter to clarify each others stances. Like Naruto saying that he understands she'll always love Sasuke and that he had feelings for her but that he'll try to move on. If it had happened that way it would've been more fitting for Naruto to suddenly start developing an interest in Hinata (if done properly) but that was never the case.

There's still tension between them that needs to be resolved, and I don't think Kishi would push Naruto's love so far into the climax in order to nullify it. If Sakura was meant to be a false love interest then Naruto would've gotten over her before the final arc so as to make space for him to develop feelings for his actual love interest. Even NH fans realize this which is the reason they insist Naruto has been rethinking his feelings ever since the Summit arc, but that is just a baseless desire that has no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

As I said, I hope Naruto and Sakura can have just a little more time together before the arrival of Sasuke because it will be inevitable that when he arrives there will be a huge focus regarding Team 7 once again. Maybe Kakashi will be done with his fight with Obito just before Sasuke comes and it will make it a full blown Team 7 reunion once again.

Since Sakura's ( and Naruto's) attention will be towards Sasuke when he comes I want Sakura to have a moment with Naruto beforehand because otherwise it does leave the impression that Sakura's development could only happen because of Sasuke's precense. That's not something I'm particularly fond of since I very well know that she gets development from Naruto's side as well, and I want Kishi to remind the audience about that. Especially those who keep saying that Sakura has only reappeared to prepare her for her big moment with Sasuke, and only Sasuke. It really makes me sick how people like to be neglectful of her relationship with Naruto.

Edited by redragon88, 08 May 2013 - 06:08 PM.

[Nefertieh]

I already have a theory about that and it'll take Isobu's help to do it.

Sorry, I must have missed a page when I was reading this thread. While I love Obito/Rin, I wonder if Kishimoto will decide to bring her back or not. How will he do it without making it look too convenient or predictable?

Well, someone needs her DNA or whatever requirements to bring her back.

Yes, but her body was buried in Konoha, right?

Edited by Nefertieh, 08 May 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Somebody needs to resurrect Rin. Especially now considering we know she sacrificed herself for her village. I want to see her tell Obito that he inspired her or that she believed in him. Maybe that would be what would make him believe in Naruto. :')

I dont think that she may be ressurrected but if Kakashi tells him that she loved him later and how much she grieved over his supposed death might open his eyes, Rin's love can be a good card for Kakashi to redeem Obito, since he called Rin a fake.