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#161 Codus N

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 10 2013, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. What should be gradual for some things isn't gradual at all. It's abrupt. His transition to wanting to protect the village, and all of that. I'd like it more if he said, "Let me think on it", and has a gradual progression to wanting to protect but all of this in one chapter is just too much. sleep.gif


A better one would be, "I don't know. What Itachi wants and what I want is completely different......

Hokages, I'll let you go. Please show me, if this village is worth protecting. Battle Madara and show me your determinations. Then, I'll decide for myself if this village is worth protecting anymore."

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

well I knew he was gonna be redeemed! >:u but only few believed.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

Guys...I don't think he's truly saving the village, I think he just doesn't want the Infinite Tsukuyomi to plague the world (it neutralizes his revenge). I think him and Orchimaru both have hidden agenda's.

BUTTTTTT....if I'm wrong, then it's not only Naruto's story that get's destroyed, but also Sasuke's entire being. All his talk of being an avenger was just that, TALK. He didn't accomplish a single threat he made (EDIT:Wait, he killed Danzo, that's about it though), heck Itachi basically killed himself. I don't know, it just seems all to convenient right now.

Either way, I'm not giving up hope, if there was one thing I pulled from this, maybe Sakura can be the first one to truly get over Sasuke, even if he becomes (dare I say it) *gulp* good

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 10 2013, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A better one would be, "I don't know. What Itachi wants and what I want is completely different......

Hokages, I'll let you go. Please show me, if this village is worth protecting. Battle Madara and show me your determinations. Then, I'll decide for myself if this village is worth protecting anymore."


That would of definitely worked. Hell anything other than his immediately being ready to protect the village. He should of did this off panel. LOL

Which would lead to him entering the battlefield, defeating the enemy, and then testing Naruto.

"You've wasted a good deal of time chasing me Naruto. Well, if you can defeat me, then I'll come back. If not, then I'll kill you." cool.gif

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 11 2013, 04:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This. What should be gradual for some things isn't gradual at all. It's abrupt. His transition to wanting to protect the village, and all of that. I'd like it more if he said, "Let me think on it", and has a gradual progression to wanting to protect but all of this in one chapter is just too much. sleep.gif


It would be more like Kishimoto's usual style if Sasuke didn't say anything in this chapter, and then have him appear in the Madara battle a few weeks later, and then explain everything in flashbacks. At least it would have been more epic. =\
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

Whoa whoa whoa what's going on here??? Why are people suddenly saying SS is going to become canon??? What have I missed while I was gone??? Honestly just because Sasuke now has a goal in stopping Obito and Madara it doesn't mean that he will fall for Sakura for crying out loud I don't understand why you people are freaking out. Naruto loves Sakura and she loves him too if she sees Sasuke helping them it doesn't mean she will go fan girl on him and would want to get into his pants. Sakura has made up her mind to stay by Naruto's side and help him along with everyone she's not going to go to Sasuke and go gaga over him honestly it disappoints me how many fans doesn't have any faith in her. The way I see it this is trolling from Kishi's part he has done this many times before he wants to makes us think one thing and then he pulls his magic trick showing us something else. In this case he wants us to think the pairing path is going on NH and SS's favors when we less expect bam! NS goodness, sadly opposite fandoms always fall for this trick. rolleyes.gif I am disappointed about Karin's character suddenly going back to fan girl over just because Kishi ruined her character it doesn't mean he's going to do the same for Sakura. She's different because she's the heroine and I doubt he's planning to waste all of the development he did on her.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ Apr 10 2013, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys...I don't think he's truly saving the village, I think he just doesn't want the Infinite Tsukuyomi to plague the world (it neutralizes his revenge). I think him and Orchimaru both have hidden agenda's.

BUTTTTTT....if I'm wrong, then it's not only Naruto's story that get's destroyed, but also Sasuke's entire being. All his talk of being an avenger was just that, TALK. He didn't accomplish a single threat he made (EDIT:Wait, he killed Danzo, that's about it though), heck Itachi basically killed himself. I don't know, it just seems all to convenient right now.

Either way, I'm not giving up hope, if there was one thing I pulled from this, maybe Sakura can be the first one to truly get over Sasuke, even if he becomes (dare I say it) *gulp* good


Bolded: Don't bother investing too much hope intop this manga anymore, your just going to be dissapointed

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

i gotta ask XD why does kishi like drawing fangirls?

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

Well, after the released of Halo 4 OST volume 2, I got more music to focus on writing thoughts of this chapter. To sum it up in one word: Hm?

Do I think it's a bad chapter or a good chapter? Is it a good or bad development? Well, this feels more like "Wait until the moment is brought up again to see it gets justified" development. What does it mean? It means I can't really say it's good or bad plot development at the moment. Granted I am surprised about the turn of the event, though it does feel like his answer could have been gotten since his last meeting with Itachi, but I guess in return we do have Hokages, so that's something. I may not get your attention and that's ok, but I should get off my chest, so here I go.

Sasuke turning good or at least doing what's good is not that shocking, but I guess you can say the timing is because well we want to know what's next. What's going to happen between Naruto and Sasuke? Is the fight becoming like the end of Scryed, where they just battle each other because...they just do? Here's the thing. I remember people thought he turned good after meeting with Itachi once again, but instead, there was more to it. That said it's not that certain he's completely good or at least he will remain to the very end. Am I right? No. But anything can happen. It's one of those moments where you think everything is going too well, but something along the way will happen. Now, don't hope too much because it can backfire. It's best to wait when the moment arrives or the manga ends. Though I admit, if he goes to renegade route, don't you think all Hokages will just shut him down asap. I still don't trust Orochimaru because again, everything feels too easy. But of course, we won't know until the time comes.

Do I think the last 5 pages were rushed? Well, yeah in a way, but I guess he wants to end the volume so he can't help but to do so. Now the remaining question is how long these guys will take to get there? If I have to predict, a volume later. Unless Minato can teleport all of them to that area, but it seems like he doesn't have the requirement to get there, so pretty much it will take them a while. It took a 2-3 volume to get from the battlefield to Konoha, though Kishi will cut short so they can reach there in time. It looks like I may called it right, because as I said in the podcast, Sasuke's problem is with Madara and now that he's going to protect it, he will fight him. Alone? I don't know but he will be involved. Oh man, won't it be funny if Madara somehow talks to him to change mind again? Not going to happen but imagine that.

Lastly, very short and I'm happy people in here are reasonable and I don't blame them, but one thing I give people here is not connecting to romance, because again, SK is back on, so if anything, it's not really going to move forward for all Sasuke pairings. The only thing I can see now is a sorry from him, but nothing to say, "I'm yours now." It's only matter of time if he gets there and remain the way he is now. Again, glad you didn't resort to romance part. Again, an apology is expected.

So overall, what do I think of this plot development? Well, it's an changeable opinion. Why? Because it all relies on the later actions, so I can't truly say because twists can happen or we don't know completely Sasuke's intention as a whole, not what to do next. A twist seems like it may happen, but we just have to wait and see, which I guess that's why he left it as a cliffhanger to his story's part. If Kishi is serious about Naruto vs. Sasuke being the finale, how will he make it as? The world at stake? Friendly fight? Don't know. One would suggest that Sasuke is in that process where Madara returns back to the village in a good state until the Hokage's title happens. Not saying the exact same thing will happen, but hey, a possibility. So I don't know what to feel about this yet. Oh well, a break is what I needed anyway.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:00 PM

Well, been a long time since my last post but I guess it's because no longer feel anything regaring this manga. Everything have been said so I won't say anything new. Big disappointment this chapter was. I understand that there aren't any real bad guys here but seriously, that was a big facepalm to me. Too much love and compassion over the Uchiha and Sasuke. I was really excited to see at some point Naruto vs Sasuke but now it's over, really I don't think Naruto will do anything special to 'help' Sasuke get over his darkness, Sasuke is already on the path himself *sigh*

As for pairing, I agree that we shouldn't abandon ship over that chapter. As much as I hate to admit it, Karin kinda show that she was still fangirl with Sasuke so to see her like this doesn't surprise me but I'll admit that I'm really really disappointed in her resolve of being done with him. Sakura show that even if she's still have feelings, she's also show them in a negative light. However, I'm scared that Sakura 'big' moment ( if she of course have one) will be as soon as Ssuke will be there. Sakura need resolve on her feelings, whenever it's positive or not, but what's bug me is that her action will once again turn around romantic issues and not because she's suppose to be an heroine. Maybe I'm being negative but I don't get my hopes too high, maybe Kishi will surprise us but so far he didn't do a very good job at it ( not saying everything was screwed up but the is a lot of disappointment)

The only thing that I like was after this, we'll have another Minato ad Naruto moment, that's it.


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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

Good Sasuke is not even close to the worst thing this chapter does (It didn't bother me at all and was very predictable)...in fact, staying the course of destruction actually makes less sense given what just happened. Karin is the worst part of this chapter by far. I'm hoping it's an abberation.

I have constantly ciriticized his writing, but he'd have to be especially dense to not see how this being the final point of redemotion would just rob Naruto of purpose AND how having the First jump would insure it stays that way. I don't think he's that stupid or that lazy, so I don't think this is going to work out all that neatly.

However, I will say I don't like where I think the First's involvement is going.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 11 2013, 04:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What the Japanese fans want. Not the west or any other continent for that matter. And this is why I have been extremely suspicious since 615.


Do we know what the Japanese fans want though? I mean we all know KakaIru is the most popular pairing, but I haven't seen anybody say the Japanese fandom really wants Sasuke to redeem himself.

Not to be pedantic, but "The West" refers to the "Western world," which is not a continent.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:04 PM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Apr 10 2013, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do we know what the Japanese fans want though? I mean we all know KakaIru is the most popular pairing, but I haven't seen anybody say the Japanese fandom really wants Sasuke to redeem himself.

Not to be pedantic, but "The West" refers to the "Western world," which is not a continent.


I think they just want a beer so they can forget the latter half of 627. Drown away the pain...

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:05 PM

Kishi has proved himself as an ultimate troll and bad mangaka. The story that started pretty good is now all f**cked up.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:05 PM

I'm not concerned about this affecting NS. Especially seeing that SK didn't sink (which is a good opportunity to keep SS at bay) and the fact that this fool Sasuke apologized for the first time in his life. What I am concerned about however is IF this will truly affect Sasuke's villains tatus. Only time will tell...

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

QUOTE (kirabook @ Apr 11 2013, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, my current fretting has nothing to do with Sakura turning to Sasuke even after he's turned good. Later in the story closer to the end, many people expected Sakura would have the chance to choose between the two when neither of them are going off the deep end. This just represents an opportunity for Sakura to choose Naruto for real and no one can claim Naruto was just second best. He would be her first choice. Added onto that, Sasuke still has not shown any interest in Sakura (or Karin) romantically.

It has more to do with the change in plot in general.


Exactly.

I just realised that people are afraid Sakura will become a fangirl again because Karin did in this chapter. >_> They're not the same characters.

QUOTE (Codus N @ Apr 11 2013, 04:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A better one would be, "I don't know. What Itachi wants and what I want is completely different......

Hokages, I'll let you go. Please show me, if this village is worth protecting. Battle Madara and show me your determinations. Then, I'll decide for myself if this village is worth protecting anymore."


Edited by Nefertieh, 10 April 2013 - 04:10 PM.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:11 PM

I'm happy people in here aren't so concern on love. Concern on the plot, yes, that I can understand. I don't know what to feel, to be honest with you, but you can read my last post in here to get my understanding.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:15 PM

QUOTE (Nefertieh @ Apr 10 2013, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do we know what the Japanese fans want though? I mean we all know KakaIru is the most popular pairing, but I haven't seen anybody say the Japanese fandom really wants Sasuke to redeem himself.

Not to be pedantic, but "The West" refers to the "Western world," which is not a continent.


Not sure, but one thing I am sure of is that the readers are of 14-16 age range or even younger and tend to prefer happy, fluff endings. At least, that's what I think. Really, ever since 615, everything has smelled like fandom pleasing no matter what the costs are. And if Kishi stoops to Stephanie Meyer's level....

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

well......I'm just gonna see how all this goes.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

I got nothing against reading the new chapter, but after reading it, it left a sour taste in my mouth... usually the chapters are worth reading. This one felt like a cop out of sorts. Why would Sasuke all of a sudden turn good? It destroys any motives he had unless of course he has his own agenda that he's not letting anyone know about. I just feel like Kishimoto took the easy way out and all of Sasuke's development is bullsh**. I guess I'll wait for the next chapter...

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