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[BecauseYouLetRinDie]

Oh no no no. I'll always ship Narusaku. I just don't really care if it becomes canon or not. I stopped caring after I realized the romance in Naruto is like a bad shoujo fanfic. (mostly SasuSaku) I'm just trying to say Naruhina has a high possiblity of becoming Canon.

*Edit-looking through all these posts I replied to the wrong person.

Edited by Eclair, 27 December 2012 - 07:45 AM.

[Nefertieh]

I'm shipping this forever. I'm just saying, this is exactly what NH is as a canon pairing. This is what Hinata wanted; holding hands.

Still, Sakura's panel holds promise, though I'm not too sure what she looks so shocked about.

RikutoShika pointed out Naruto was holding Hinata's hand to give her chakra...

[Transformers03]

Does an editor really have that much power? O_o

Well, yeah at times an editor does have that kind of power.
But I doubt if Naruhina becomes canon it is because his editors forced him to.

[swagosaurus]

RikutoShika pointed out Naruto was holding Hinata's hand to give her chakra...

True, true. But still; the imagery of her holding his hand. I dunno. Kishi is an evil bastard though; giving us this then a two week break.

I'm just gonna back out of the fandom for a while and let this all blow over.

Edited by swagosaurus, 27 December 2012 - 07:43 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

True, true. But still; the imagery of her holding his hand. I dunno. Kishi is an evil bastard though; giving us this then a two week break.

I'm just gonna back out of the fandom for a while and let this all blow over.

That gif....
R.I.P. Leslie Nielson T_T
....and Neji.
Neji will forever live in my mind.

[Codus N]

Does an editor really have that much power? O_o

Yes, sometimes.

Well, yeah at times an editor does have that kind of power.
But I doubt if Naruhina becomes canon it is because his editors forced him to.

Wouldn't count on that. Think about it, Hinata is currently far and away the more popular character compared to Sakura. So, from a marketing standpoint, NH becoming canon would be good business for JUMP and the manga. The editors' job is to also help boost the magazine's sales.

[Transformers03]

Oh no no no. I'll always ship Narusaku. I just don't really care if it becomes canon or not. I stopped caring after I realized the romance in Naruto is like a bad shoujo fanfic. (mostly SasuSaku) I'm just trying to say Naruhina has a high possiblity of becoming Canon.

Yeah, and that is what I was agreeing with. I don't think any pairing is set in stone yet, but Naruhina has gotten a leg up.
Frankly I don't really know what to think about this whole NH moment, and I wish we had more neutral opinions around here. I try my hardest to have an un-bias view of the manga, which is why when I see a NH moment I get worried. But I'm now to far gone

[Toasty Warrior]

You know this thing with the love triangle is pretty much commonplace in manga and even comics. It follows a certain trend and I believe that NaruSaku will still happen no matter what, we just need a little faith.

[CloudMountainJuror]

This thread is going to reach 30 pages by tomorrow night.

I'm calling it now.

[BecauseYouLetRinDie]

Calm down lol. Didn't you see Sakura's reaction in this chapter to all of the NH nonsense?

Sakura's shocked reaction is her realizing that she has gotten little to no panel time, and Hinata is taking her place as heroine. (obviously I'm joking) ;P But yeah, it does seem like she is reacting to Hinata's speech /Hinata more than anything else.

[Chucky-kun]

gaiz, plz, back to the chapter. Obito really tried to "suicide" bomb huh but i guess the juubi actually got injured

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, and that is what I was agreeing with. I don't think any pairing is set in stone yet, but Naruhina has gotten a leg up.
Frankly I don't really know what to think about this whole NH moment, and I wish we had more neutral opinions around here. I try my hardest to have an un-bias view of the manga, which is why when I see a NH moment I get worried. But I'm now to far gone

Well if you read my post, I think it came off as neutral. I'm not going to be like "Haha, it's only Hinata blah blah blah." My point is that the moment did happen, but is it supposed to be love or not. The only way to answer it is the follow-up from that moment. It's like if you read the manga ending without reading it from the beginning. Once you did, all the moments from whatever pairing will be "clearer." For all we know, it could be NH or NS that truly got the friendship's development and not heading to romance aspects. It will only be determined in the end. I should repost my post to see what people think. And yes, I am going down with the ship if the pairing becomes canon.

[neoshadow]

Only one thing can make the manga even worse.

SasuSaku.

NaruHina is one thing. Although disappointing and...well, not making much sense, for SasuSaku to happen would be infinitely worse.

But hell, it can happen for all I care now. What Kishi does with his manga is his responsibility, not mine. And although it'd be very disappointing if Kishi brought himself to that low, it'd be him killing his manga in the worst possible way. His choice, I guess.

The way I see it is if NH and SS are the final canon pairings then it just strikes me as Kishi is unwilling to let characters not be paired and just wants to resolve everything cleanly. Because that's what NH and SS are to me, an overly convenient and simplistic ending, everything is resolved and wrapped up in a bow, everyone is happy and no one is left alone. And it's boring, it ignores character interaction for the purpose of pleasing the fan base and not disappointing everyone. Pleasing the fans is one thing but letting them dictate how the story goes for fear of earning their wrath is a terrible way to tell your story.

“I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.” – Bill Cosby

[Transformers03]

Yes, sometimes.



Wouldn't count on that. Think about it, Hinata is currently far and away the more popular character compared to Sakura. So, from a marketing standpoint, NH becoming canon would be good business for JUMP and the manga. The editors' job is to also help boost the magazine's sales.

While it is true that the editors job is to help sell the magazine, and Hinata's prominence could be a factor of editorial interference, but you have to think about the intended audiences for this manga. It isn't a romantic manga, but a action one. And generally speaking action is usually aimed at men. Most men, especially little boys, don't care about pairing stuff, so a hook about pairings wouldn't sell much.

Besides, isn't Narusaku more popular than Naruhina in Japan, so that wouldn't really make sense. Though I also heard that Sasusaku is more popular in Japan, so if Naruhina does become canon because of editorial decisions, it may just be to allow SS to happen. Granted that is a stretch.

[Chucky-kun]

Remember back when NH people were bashing Sakura for hitting Naruto...............

[CloudMountainJuror]

The way I see it is if NH and SS are the final canon pairings then it just strikes me as Kishi is unwilling to let characters not be paired and just wants to resolve everything cleanly. Because that's what NH and SS are to me, an overly convenient and simplistic ending, everything is resolved and wrapped up in a bow, everyone is happy and no one is left alone. And it's boring, it ignores character interaction for the purpose of pleasing the fan base and not disappointing everyone. Pleasing the fans is one thing but letting them dictate how the story goes for fear of earning their wrath is a terrible way to tell your story.

“I don’t know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.” – Bill Cosby

That quote is amazing. Thank you for posting that. That is the best possible way to sum up my feelings about Naruto right now.

[MakeMoneyEatRice]

I'm sorry, but was Obito's flashback before or after Hinata's little speech?
If it during or after, it is possible that Obito was remembering a time with the person he also loved.

Before Hinatas speech began.

[Slextrem]

The thing I'm most bothered by in this arc is feeling like Sakura has been faded out of the focus. She's been in two panels this chapter, one in the last, and a couple in some of the recent ones, though for a while she didn't show up at all. She's said maybe two lines since her reappearance. It just feels so wrong to me. Especially considering all the panel time that the other main characters have had. Naruto, obviously, has had a lot of focus in this war. Sasuke, despite not being included in the war, was still given a large chunk of screen time. Even Kakashi has had focus during this arc. So what about Sakura? Yeah, she punched a Zetsu clone, but that really doesn't compare to the roles that the other main characters have had in this war. Never mind the side characters. Kishimoto, please stop degrading your heroine.

[fireandice]

What many of you don't understand is that sure Naruhina has had it's moments, but this one kind of takes the cake. Seriously guys. They held hands, and are fighting together. She inspired him. I know we all love Narusaku, but quite frankly this moment kind of puts Naruhina in the lead, no matter how many moments Narusaku has had. Naruto's feelings for Hinata at this point are ambiguous and so far it seems like he has moved on from Sakura. I don't want to think this way, but I don't think Kishimoto is going to spend anymore time with the pairing stuff, and sadly we won't get any major scenes with Sakura until SASUKE shows up. :/ HECK I don't even like Naruhina, and I'm not going to ship them. but ugh hearing the Naruhina come bash us Narusaku from this chapter is going to be a b*tch. I can already hear them screaming 'NARUHINA CANON!' Ignore them guys and try not to start fights with them. Let us Narusaku stand strong, and keep our optimism, lets be the mature ones. But like others said, don't be in denial. It will lead you to dissapointment.

I know what you mean, and it does have additional significance because this entire arc is a grand finale of sorts.

One sad part is that the shipping wars do ruin our enjoyment of the manga to an extent :/ Because while I ship NaruSaku, I will admit literary-wise, this chapter was quite nicely symbolic in allowing Hinata to come full circle with who she started off at Part 1.

When I re-read the chapter instead of thinking "OMG is she putting her hand on his cheek...IS HE HOLDING HER HAND NOW??!" I mean, it does look very romantic, but there was also a practical reason- he was passing her chakra too for this plan of Shikamaru's, or at least that's what it also looked like. And overall what Hinata said was a nice moment of growth for her character. I would have been pissed if she turned this into another love confession, but she didn't and she was talking about EVERYONE. Though of course, making this scene DOES give NaruHina as a pairing some development. But I did like that what she said this time was different from the Pain arc which I thought she WAS being selfish.

Hence, I don't think it's fair to say the chapter was kinda bad...(SasuSaku is more of a deal-breaker...poster child for abusive relationships.) I was even a NaruHina supporter last time- it was the start of Part II that made me defect - I just enjoyed Naruto and Sakura's interactions more and there were so many romantic hints.

The trouble is I guess that unlike more crack pairings like ItaSaku, the POSSIBILITY dangled of our chosen pairings becoming canon make us more invested in it and go crazy when it seems to be going other ways.

I think there's a fine line between optimism and denial, tbh there's some necessary overlap

If you want to think positive, note Kishi LOVES parallels.
The whole thing about the new generation surpassing the old, with Jiraiya and Tsunade (about how Tsunade rejected him all the time.) and Minato and Kushina (someone like your mother, the artistic similarity between panels when Naruto saves Sakura and Minato saves Kushina, plus in Road to Ninja, when Naruto saves Sakura in a fashion that is a literal copy of MinaKushi in chapter 501.

Of course, Neji and Hinata jumping in front of Naruto totally parallels Minato and Kushina's sacrifice. So I suppose we will find out somewhere that Neji and Hinata were engaged to get married to united the clan originally. /SNARK.

Plus, the Naruto-->Sakura-->Sasuke romantic issues imo adds a lot more drama...doesn't make sense to me Kishi would have tied it up with NaruHina now when he said we have at least a year more to go.

But that's just the thing. Kishi has given hints for BOTH sides, and it's not entirely clear. We interpret it in one way, NaruHina shippers interpret it another. Just cheer up everybody, it's not as though we have NO facts or points in our favour

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

About time I put my imput, I believe:


This chapter just ... stung. Bad. Really, really frickin bad. You know, I should've know this would've happened, given Hinata's extremely unbearably focus. 'Cause you can't Hinata without NaruHina so the shipping war is now up in flames, more intensely than before. I'm worried a little now ... NaruHina definitely isn't completely impossible. It has a stronger ground to stand on, unfortunately. I don't believe NaruHina is canon at all but if you can't see it's chances then you're in denial. NaruHina's chances just went from 17% to 50% after this chapter. Why Kishi, why. What the hell are you trying to do? I seriously don't know anymore. If it's the end pairing, I feel so betrayed, trolled, and disillusioned. It's like Kishi suddenly decided to do this: "I'm gonna completely throw the NS developments and parallels as well as Sakura's heroine status, for NaruHina! Plus, Hinata is now the new heroine!" If this is the case, all I have to say is this: "Kishi, what the kitten is wrong with you?! My faith in you is gone."

There was one thing I did like though. Hinata finally got some development. And I really liked it when Hinata slapped Naruto's face. I never thought she'd have the guts to do that or even stand up to him for God's sake. My reaction was this: "Holy CRAP! Hinata actually hit Naruto. How???!" I also loved Hinata's speech a little. I almost actually liked her until she stupidly bactracked by saying "Naruto's hand is so big and warm ..." Hinata, you will eternally be a fangirl, won't you? I can't ever retain faith in you. I give up. But I still have a major problem with this. First if all, Hinata's epic, inspirational speech was just so great. But that's the problem. That moment had heroine undertones. The heroine should be doing that and giving Naruto confidence. Not a side character. Seriously, Hinata's like the damn frickin heroine lately. And where's Sakura? In the background, getting scarce importance. Kishi scratches his head and repeatedly says to the Hinata fantards "Sakura's the heroine, not Hinata." Okay. Maybe you should try showing it then! He wonders why people consider Hinata the heroine. He just answered that question by this chapter alone. God, I'm so pissed off right now! Sakura should've been the one doing that, not Hinata! Not only would it shut up the haters a little bit, it makes clear how important she is to the plot. In this arc, it's like Hinata and Sakura switched places. Hinata's the heroine, Sakura's the background character.

Sakura's one panel was interesting. She looked very shocked to me ... maybe even a bit disturbed? No one else looked like that besides Obito (and he did not look slightly disturbed. Sakura did.) This could dispute the people who say Sakura doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto but it was so outshined by the NaruHina moment (Notice how I didn't put " " around the word moment like I usually do. It was a NH moment people. The hand-holding confirmed it ). I think Sakura was bothered by the tenderness Hinata showed Naruto, like she was thinking: "Hinata really does love Naruto. I should be glad. But for some reason, how come I'm not?" Sakura's probably feels threatened by Hinata. In the sense that she is upset because she believes Hinata does so much more for Naruto than she does, Naruto might change his feelings. Sakura thinks Hinata deserves him more than her but she's not happy about it. And when I first saw that flashback of Obito/Rin, my first thought was: "Foreshadowing ...! Sakura's gonna be targeted soon ..." Am I delusional in thinking that? Or am I making sense?

Overall, I'm so upset by this chapter. I still think NaruSaku has bigger chances of happening than NaruHina. But I feel so, so ... threatened. I never thought I'd actually feel threatened by NH but I do. Screw SasuSaku, NaruHina's the big threat now. And I hate it. I've said so many times that NaruHina wouldn't even be considered plausible or existing without the fandom now look at me! I'm avoiding YT, tumblr, and other forums like a plague. This site is my refuge now. I have to, for my sanity. Kishimoto, why did you have to do this to us right before the break. It's unbearable! I'm so depressed and angry right now guys ....

I WILL GO DOWN WITH THIS SHIP. NOTHING ON EARTH WILL CHANGE THAT.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 27 December 2012 - 08:06 AM.