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[ciardha]

I am not sure if this is true or not, but I think he has said he wanted drawing a battle between Tsunade and Pain back when Nagato invaded Konohagakure, but his editor asked him ommiting it to speed up the history, and he had originally wanted the battle between Team Kakashi and Asuma against Hidan and Kakuzu was longer, but his editor asked him shortening it.

Yeah, it's minor stuff like that in shonen manga where editors say things like- "how about lengthening the storyline with these characters" (Team Taka) so Kishimoto wrote the Suigetsu and Jyuugo capture scene and a glimpse of them escaping their imprisonment. It sounded like originally Karin was the only one who would have continuing plot significance, he was just going to leave Suigetsu and Jyuugo's fate unknown or kill them off in Iron Country. Guess the editors liked the sort of comic relief that Jyuugo and Suigetsu working together provides and wanted them to survive. The story I heard about the change in the Tsunade vs. Pain fight was that Kishimoto wanted Tsunade to land a punch on Pain, but his editors thought that would lessen Naruto's punching Pain scene so he dropped it. Nothing that changes major plotlines (how Naruto and Sakura's relationship changes and grows over the manga storyline, Naruto's path to becoming Hokage, or Naruto's final face off with Sasuke) but lengthening or shortening battles, that kind of thing. (Honestly, I think Kubo needs a lot more help with that than Kishimoto.

Edited by ciardha, 30 August 2011 - 01:58 PM.

[Jenskott]

Yeah, it's minor stuff like that in shonen manga where editors say things like- "how about lengthening the storyline with these characters" (Team Taka) so Kishimoto wrote the Suigetsu and Jyuugo capture scene and a glimpse of them escaping their imprisonment. It sounded like originally Karin was the only one who would have continuing plot significance, he was just going to leave Suigetsu and Jyuugo's fate unknown or kill them off in Iron Country. Guess the editors liked the sort of comic relief that Jyuugo and Suigetsu working together provides and wanted them to survive.

Personally I would have not minded if Team Taka didn't show up ever again. Not because I did not like them but because I found them mostly boring and uninteresting.

(Honestly, I think Kubo needs a lot more help with that than Kishimoto.

After reading forty-two volumes of Bleach I certainly agree.

I wonder if shonen manga battles have lengthened thorugh the years. I think I recall in older series a battle could be resolved in one single chapter. And if it was an important fight, it could last several chapters (but not a full volume). Now, an ordinary fight can last one whole volume and it can even be longer. Of course, there are exceptions -Lone Wolf and Cub's final battle was pretty long, but it seems like a somewhat recent trend.

If that is the case, I wonder if it is done in order to prevent the anime from catching up with the manga and resorting to fillers.

Then again, the early battles in Naruto and Bleach used to be short affairs, so maybe it is not a trend of newer manga series.

[Phantom_999]

Bleach is nothing but fights o you can't do anything about that OH and character development

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 August 2011 - 11:34 PM.

[Codus N]

Yeah, I wouldn't be at all suprised. Especially at the rate that new "old" characters are being introduced! And he would easily be able to capitalize on the popularity of Naruto to ride right into a Minato storyline.

It would also be a way for him to write/illustrate a different kind of storyline and characters that he might not have been able to in Naruto. I mean, he's kind of locked into the sterotypes he created when he was around 25. They work, are popular and make money. I bet his editors wouldn't let him rock the boat if he wanted to. He has to keep fanning the little flames of pairings, etc.

But with a new story, with characters the audience already adores, he could invest more time in making Tsunade a badass or create a main female protagonist (Kushina) as someone the audience loves instead of half-hates (Sakura). Anyway, I would think he'd get a second crack at things he might have wished he'd done differently in the past.

I wish there were some professional interviews floating around with Kishi. Not just the silly fan stuff with terrible translations. But really indepth about his creative process, how much is under his control and how much isn't, things he wished he'd done differently and if things he viewed one way between ages 20-25 (his creative gestational period for Naruto) have changed at ages 35-40. Anyway, as I read Naruto I find myself wondering these things.

Before we talk about a Minato prequel, we need an Itachi Gaiden, as he is one of the two most influential characters in the manga. They're the ones who practically set the manga's story and present events in stone.

A crazy thought: am I the only one who thinks Kushina is actually a Yandere with a bit of Tsundere mixed in?? (my guess: 70% Yandere 30% Tsundere) I mean, she's the Kyuubi for heavens' sake!! I wouldn't put it past her to actually leak out a bit of Kyuubi's chakra and its killing intent to scare off any potential flirts trying to hit on Minato. Just a thought.

[Super Boom]

A crazy thought: am I the only one who thinks Kushina is actually a Yandere with a bit of Tsundere mixed in?? (my guess: 70% Yandere 30% Tsundere) I mean, she's the Kyuubi for heavens' sake!! I wouldn't put it past her to actually leak out a bit of Kyuubi's chakra and its killing intent to scare off any potential flirts trying to hit on Minato. Just a thought.

It could be the case, and it's a funny scenario, but I'm not quite sure. I don't read/watch enough manga/anime to understand the yandere trope all that well, but from what I've read, it seems to imply some sort of mental instability. I guess it could easily be played for comedy in the anime, if they so chose, but all we really saw in the manga was that she initally disliked him, then grew to love him, so I'm not sure that's enough to assume she's more yandere than tsundere. On top of that, it seems like the character is generally a 'moe' type, so it depends if Kushina really fits that mold, on top of being a little psycho.

But I'm basing this off what I'm reading on TV Tropes right now, since I don't really understand the character type all that well. With how I've heard a large portion of the Naruto fandom refer to Sakura as a yandere character after the whole 'kill Sasuke because she loves him' issue, I've basically just resigned myself to not understanding it.

It would be funny, though, to see Kushina, after her rescue scene of course, go Four-tails on some Minato fangirls.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 09 September 2011 - 05:46 PM.

[Phantom_999]

It could be the case, and it's a funny scenario, but I'm not quite sure. I don't read/watch enough manga/anime to understand the yandere trope all that well, but from what I've read, it seems to imply some sort of mental instability. I guess it could easily be played for comedy in the anime, if they so chose, but all we really saw in the manga was that she initally disliked him, then grew to love him, so I'm not sure that's enough to assume she's more yandere than tsundere. On top of that, it seems like the character is generally a 'moe' type, so it depends if Kushina really fits that mold, on top of being a little psycho.

But I'm basing this off what I'm reading on TV Tropes right now, since I don't really understand the character type all that well. With how I've heard a large portion of the Naruto fandom refer to Sakura as a yandere character after the whole 'kill Sasuke because she loves him' issue, I've basically just resigned myself to not understanding it.

It would be funny, though, to see Kushina, after her rescue scene of course, go Four-tails on some Minato fangirls.

Well ACTUALLY, yandere is someone who is EMOTIONALLY unstable and is in love with someone but expresses their love in violent and destructive ways. A common example is School Days If you have the guts to watch the last episode yeah anyways an actual yandere IS NO JOKE! If Kushina WAS like that they would label it as mature already besides this is a shonen manga no such disturbing concepts would be in here

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 September 2011 - 05:00 AM.

[merryGOflava]

kushina is soooo not a yandere.......

a yandere is a psychotic, that loves you even if it means killing you......or a love interest ......*shiver*

a yandere could be a stalker to.....

yandere have bloodlusts!!! (but i hear they can seem quite sweet..so im guessing they are traps)

i say tsundere is the perfect term for kushina all the way....

[Darth Krypt]

So basically yandere is a psychotic lover. Definitely not Kushina.

[Phantom_999]

kushina is soooo not a yandere.......

a yandere is a psychotic, that loves you even if it means killing you......or a love interest ......*shiver*

a yandere could be a stalker to.....

yandere have bloodlusts!!! (but i hear they can seem quite sweet..so im guessing they are traps)

i say tsundere is the perfect term for kushina all the way....

So basically yandere is a psychotic lover. Definitely not Kushina.

Well yeah. I mean have you ever seen Kushina with this murderous or insane look like this, http://www.animeraku...re-gallery.html, stabbing and cutting Minato with a kunai say" OH MINATO, I LOVE YOU!!!! AND THIS IS THE SYMBOL OF OUR PASSION!!!! PLEASE ACCEPT IT!!!!" while slicing open his stomach!?

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 September 2011 - 05:02 AM.

[Darth Krypt]

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/Yandere
Um, nope. She's definitely a tsundere. By the way, does anyone know a main protagonist who is yandere?

There's examples in the link you've posted.

[Codus N]

Actually, from what I understand, Yandere is basically bordering on being a obsessive girlfriend slash psychopath. It's like "if I can't have him, nobody can!!" or in the case that the boy is found out flirting with other girls or cheating she decides that killing him is better than having him taken away. Her thoughts are basically "you will look at me, and no one else for your life depends on your attention to me".

She also WILL kill anybody who dares to "steal" him. So I think quite frankly Kushina as a Yandere in her younger days is very plausible. Of course, she mellows out from that personality with age. And besides, we know Kyuubi would jump at the chance to kill ANYBODY. I wouldn't put it past him to being the cause of Kushina's Yandere personality. But of course, this will mostly be played for laughs.

EDIT: changed "possessive" to "obsessive" as Kushina would likely fall into the "obsessive" category per Tvtropes.

Edited by Codus N, 10 September 2011 - 09:08 AM.

[merryGOflava]

Actually, from what I understand, Yandere is basically bordering on being a possessive girlfriend slash psychopath. It's like "if I can't have him, nobody can!!" or in the case that the boy is found out flirting with other girls or cheating she decides that killing him is better than having him taken away. Her thoughts are basically "you will look at me, and no one else for your life depends on your attention to me".

She also WILL kill anybody who dares to "steal" him. So I think quite frankly Kushina as a Yandere in her younger days is very plausible. Of course, she mellows out from that personality with age. And besides, we know Kyuubi would jump at the chance to kill ANYBODY. I wouldn't put it past him to being the cause of Kushina's Yandere personality. But of course, this will mostly be played for laughs.

er ....kushina was only crazy on those who made fun of her hair. i dont think she was crazy for minato...i mean im sure she loved him eventually, but not in a i'll kill you or others sort of way.

usually if the person did like the love interest at first (dislike them) they cant really be considered yandere. im sure at least.

but i guess im getting to technical...anything can happen we dont know until we get a kushina arc or something. XD

[Phantom_999]

Actually, from what I understand, Yandere is basically bordering on being a obsessive girlfriend slash psychopath. It's like "if I can't have him, nobody can!!" or in the case that the boy is found out flirting with other girls or cheating she decides that killing him is better than having him taken away. Her thoughts are basically "you will look at me, and no one else for your life depends on your attention to me".

She also WILL kill anybody who dares to "steal" him. So I think quite frankly Kushina as a Yandere in her younger days is very plausible. Of course, she mellows out from that personality with age. And besides, we know Kyuubi would jump at the chance to kill ANYBODY. I wouldn't put it past him to being the cause of Kushina's Yandere personality. But of course, this will mostly be played for laughs.

EDIT: changed "possessive" to "obsessive" as Kushina would likely fall into the "obsessive" category per Tvtropes.

er ....kushina was only crazy on those who made fun of her hair. i dont think she was crazy for minato...i mean im sure she loved him eventually, but not in a i'll kill you or others sort of way.

usually if the person did like the love interest at first (dislike them) they cant really be considered yandere. im sure at least.

but i guess im getting to technical...anything can happen we dont know until we get a kushina arc or something. XD

LIKE I SAID If it were the case it wouldn't even be teen age appropriate it would be mature or seinen for young adults or above

[Codus N]

Not really. If Kushina will be a Yandere in the prequel, it will most likely be played for laughs. There's a difference. Unless, of course, Kishi moves the story to Monthly Jump Magazines like SQ.

[Darth Krypt]

I think yanderes are just mentally unstable people who looks innocent whenever she's around her love interest but turn psychotic killer when not. They are usually unrequited love and rarely used for comedic purposes. A tsundere would be the type for that.

[Codus N]

Well, if you want a comedic version of Yanderes, here's one:

Haru to Natsu

I personally think Kishimoto could actually pull off a a hilarious version of Yandere in Kushina.

[Super Boom]

I personally think Kishimoto could actually pull off a a hilarious version of Yandere in Kushina.

I agree, he could pull it off pretty well, with her losing control occasionally when girls flirt with Minato. It's only that, with how little we saw of Kushina's past, and her relationship with Minato, the only thing I can really see in that regard is Kushina being a bit of a jealous tsundere. I'm not sure I can really see the whole psychotic aspect that Yandere seems to imply being displayed through Kushina. If it was, anyway, it'd be a lot lower than the 70% Y / 30% T ratio from your original comment.
I do agree though, that the idea is hilarious.

On the topic of Yandere characters, I'm looking at the TV Tropes article right now, and it looks I have seen it done a few times. They're all over the place in Code Geass, and I never really though of Loly and Menoly from Bleach as fitting that mold, but it certainly makes sense.

Also, there's an Alternate Character Interpretation of Loly of as a Depraved Bisexual? That's interesting, LOL. It's no wonder people spend so much time on this site.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 10 September 2011 - 06:33 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Not really. If Kushina will be a Yandere in the prequel, it will most likely be played for laughs. There's a difference. Unless, of course, Kishi moves the story to Monthly Jump Magazines like SQ.

I think yanderes are just mentally unstable people who looks innocent whenever she's around her love interest but turn psychotic killer when not. They are usually unrequited love and rarely used for comedic purposes. A tsundere would be the type for that.

Well, if you want a comedic version of Yanderes, here's one:

Haru to Natsu

I personally think Kishimoto could actually pull off a a hilarious version of Yandere in Kushina.

I agree, he could pull it off pretty well, with her losing control occasionally when girls flirt with Minato. It's only that, with how little we saw of Kushina's past, and her relationship with Minato, the only thing I can really see in that regard is Kushina being a bit of a jealous tsundere. I'm not sure I can really see the whole psychotic aspect that Yandere seems to imply being displayed through Kushina. If it was, anyway, it'd be a lot lower than the 70% Y / 30% T ratio from your original comment.
I do agree though, that the idea is hilarious.

On the topic of Yandere characters, I'm looking at the TV Tropes article right now, and it looks I have seen it done a few times. They're all over the place in Code Geass, and I never really though of Loly and Menoly from Bleach as fitting that mold, but it certainly makes sense.

Also, there's an Alternate Character Interpretation of Loly of as a Depraved Bisexual? That's interesting, LOL. It's no wonder people spend so much time on this site.

Usually yandere is not supposed to be funny because it is DISTURBING. You actually want to see that demented kind of love where one of the lovers uses bloody violence to to vent their jealousy or expressing their STRONG feelings for the one of their affections? well It can only be FUNNY if it's toned down. You know, the blood and gore is comedic and the character is no so insane,but overall THIS WOULD BE a contradiction because If Kishimoto did that with Kushina it will HAVE TO happen with Naruto. SO next time that Nobody shinobi confesses to Sakura again or she thinks about Sasuke Naruto will go coo-coo and Brutally murder said admirer, Sasuke and then GUT Sakura because he HAS the Kyuubi; SOUND APPEALLING?

Edited by Phantom_999, 10 September 2011 - 09:50 PM.

[Codus N]

I agree, he could pull it off pretty well, with her losing control occasionally when girls flirt with Minato. It's only that, with how little we saw of Kushina's past, and her relationship with Minato, the only thing I can really see in that regard is Kushina being a bit of a jealous tsundere. I'm not sure I can really see the whole psychotic aspect that Yandere seems to imply being displayed through Kushina. If it was, anyway, it'd be a lot lower than the 70% Y / 30% T ratio from your original comment.
I do agree though, that the idea is hilarious.

On the topic of Yandere characters, I'm looking at the TV Tropes article right now, and it looks I have seen it done a few times. They're all over the place in Code Geass, and I never really though of Loly and Menoly from Bleach as fitting that mold, but it certainly makes sense.

Also, there's an Alternate Character Interpretation of Loly of as a Depraved Bisexual? That's interesting, LOL. It's no wonder people spend so much time on this site.

Yeah, a jealous tsundere type with Kushina mixed in with some Yandere tendencies seems to be what Kishimoto would go for.

[Phantom_999]

OKAY, while we're on the subject then LIST the top ten characters in the big three that you would like to see become yandere!