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[Gravenimage]

Speaking of the new movie, I've got a feeling Kishi made this chapter for the anime team to work on. This chapter had more than enough material for that.

Perhaps the animators will consider it after all the movie is shcedule to be release on July 27 that is if Kushina also shows up in the movie.

[pharix]

I would assume when the "mission" ends Naruto goes back to his own time, but I could be wrong

[ShippudenGirl]

No - if its coming out that soon then they definitely have the script and/or animation done, they could just be working special effects and such now.

Woops, maybe we should get back to 498? SO close to 500 i'm so excited!

Edited by ShippudenGirl, 13 June 2010 - 02:51 PM.

[K9ofChaos]

quite probably there will be a comedic moment in that regard. the key is that the comedic moment wont interrupt the romantic one like it did in earlier moments. instead itll be a part of the romance and will solidify the pairing.

as to Sakuras crush. Anyone whose read my thoughts on the bench scene knows what I think about it. while she may have moved on from the feelings for sasuke she still has the mistaken impression, the illusion of him in her head. and thats why the bench scene needs to be addressed. So she can move on permanetly.

I have to say that I both sort of agree and kind of disagree with you. I do agree that the bench scene needs to be addressed so that our pairing can become canon, but I do however disagree about the whole misunderstanding of the bench scene. It's been two and a half years in naruto time and in order to move on permanently she would have to find out what really happened? How could one insignificant moment define Sasuke as a good person in Sakura's head when he doesn't care about anyone but himself, betrayed his own village for the power to kill his brother, becomes an international criminal, and tries to murder her not once, not twice, but three times. Wouldn't all that completely destroy that mistaken impression/illusion by now? That would only show that she would have lingering feelings for him and I refuse to believe that she does. Not only that but it leaves the impression of a love triangle which I refuse to believe that there is one. One sided pairings against two sided pairings does not make a love triangle. The only way that this could even be considered a love triangle is that both Naruto and Sasuke would want to be with Sakura, but thats not the case since Naruto is the only one out of the two that actually cares and is interested in her so there can't be a love triangle at all. I was under the impression that when somebody moves on, they completely forget about it and never feel the same way again. She could have already completely moved on and just still care about him as a friend and teammate and nothing more. Maybe she figured that he's just not in to her after all the times that he didn't show any interest and now just sees that impression/illusion that he's at least a good friend and teammate that it pains her to see him commit crimes. In conclusion, I think that she only cares about Sasuke in a platonic way and that I don't think that one insignificant memory of Sasuke would hold Sakura back from pursuing a relationship with Naruto even if the bench scene was never addressed at the end of the day.

[Dreamer]

If Kishi plays his cards right he won't make the pairing official until the mangas end due to fandoms potentially affecting the manga sales.

As for 499 i think we should start see a wrap up of Naruto and Kushina's conversation and Kisame may take the opportunity to attack.

[Gravenimage]

If Kishi plays his cards right he won't make the pairing official until the mangas end due to fandoms potentially affecting the manga sales.

As for 499 i think we should start see a wrap up of Naruto and Kushina's conversation and Kisame may take the opportunity to attack.

You could be right while Naruto is fighting the Kyuubi Kisame might take the oportuniy to capture Bee (he was ordered by Madara to capture him for real this time). However I have to disagree with you on the manga sales depending on the pairings the Japanese aren't nothing like the western public, if Kishi makes N/S canon before the end of the manga it won't affect sales in Japan. In other countries in the west well that's another story and I think it's stupid to stop reading the manga because your fav pairings didn't happen (even when the author has given so many hints of the obvious pairing but they still ignore it).

Edited by Gravenimage, 14 June 2010 - 06:09 PM.

[ShippudenGirl]

You could be right while Naruto is fighting the Kyuubi Kisame might take the oportuniy to capture Bee (he was ordered by Madara to capture him for real this time). However I have to disagree with you on the manga sales depending on the pairings the Japanese aren't nothing like the western public, if Kishi makes N/S canon before the end of the manga it won't affect sails in Japan. In other countries in the west well that's another story and I think it's stupid to stop reading the manga because your fav pairings didn't happen (even when the author has given so many hints of the obvious pairing but they still ignore it).

Yeah, if they sold 50 million in Japan and only 4.8 million in America pairings such as NaruHina hardly make a difference for Kishimoto - especially if there the least favorite pairing in Japan and NaruSaku is the second fav. [not including Yaoi]
I know if NaruSaku doesn't happen I definitely won't give up on the Manga - I love the action and plot, pairings aren't really that important to me compared to that. If you give up on the Manga because your pairing doesn't happen then there was no point of you being a Naruto fan from the beginning.

[ciardha]

In conclusion, I think that she only cares about Sasuke in a platonic way and that I don't think that one insignificant memory of Sasuke would hold Sakura back from pursuing a relationship with Naruto even if the bench scene was never addressed at the end of the day.

I agree with you. I don't think the bench scene has any significance when it comes to Sakura's feelings about Sasuke. It didn't come up when Sakura had flashbacks about the Sasuke of Team 7 days. Remember in that very chapter, only minutes later the real Sasuke speaks to her and tells Sakura that she makes him sick. That was a very big blow to any illusions stirred by Naruto's henge as Sasuke. Sakura has the memories of her crush but she has no desire to be with Sasuke any more. And she knows he has no interest in her. Even if Sasuke is redeemed in the end her heart has moved on, she won't be interested in a one sided crush.

However, it does have significance if Naruto confesses what he did, perhaps, as I'm guessing- after he carries out his words from that chapter and kisses her on her forehead and tells her he finds her forehead too beautiful to resist kissing. Then, like Minato's complimenting Kushina's hair it will take on a deeper and renewed significance to Sakura. After she first punches him and calls him baka in a hacked off tone. She'll be angry because he manipulated her feelings (yes, the very thing Sakura bashers wrongly accused her of doing to Naruto in 469) but when he explains why she won't be mad anymore, she'll still think it was stupid of him to henge himself as Sasuke but forgive him. I could see her tenderly call him baka again- but when said that way it takes on a completely different tone- an affectionate acceptance of something he did because he was already in love with her.

K9ofChaos, that's the clearest explanation I've seen anyone (including myself) who understood Sakura's feelings and plans make for Sakura's words and actions in chapter 469-70. Some readers still didn't understand when Sai explained it in 474 and still misread it now. That section of your post should be required reading for anyone who still misunderstands Sakura's feelings and actions.

[Dreamer]

Yeah, if they sold 50 million in Japan and only 4.8 million in America pairings such as NaruHina hardly make a difference for Kishimoto - especially if there the least favorite pairing in Japan and NaruSaku is the second fav. [not including Yaoi]
I know if NaruSaku doesn't happen I definitely won't give up on the Manga - I love the action and plot, pairings aren't really that important to me compared to that. If you give up on the Manga because your pairing doesn't happen then there was no point of you being a Naruto fan from the beginning.

That's because it hasn't officially happened yet. Another thing is Naruto is sold in WSJ along with several other mangas like OP Japan's top Manga and also Bleach too. So the sales may or may not be affected.

[ShippudenGirl]

K9ofChaos, that's the clearest explanation I've seen anyone (including myself) who understood Sakura's feelings and plans make for Sakura's words and actions in chapter 469-70. Some readers still didn't understand when Sai explained it in 474 and still misread it now. That section of your post should be required reading for anyone who still misunderstands Sakura's feelings and actions.

I agree too! :O But I do think it would help the NS relationship. >3 You know how people say couples could tell each other anything, I think this could be a good example.

[K9ofChaos]

I agree too! :O But I do think it would help the NS relationship. >3 You know how people say couples could tell each other anything, I think this could be a good example.

Well of course bringing it up would be beneficial for narusaku, I'm just saying that it's not significant with Sakura's views on Sasuke.


@ciardha Wow, thanks, I didn't even know I had that much insight on Sakura.

[Toasty Warrior]

I'm sure Kishimoto has something big planned for 500 and I bet anything it's going to be awesome.

Edited by FullMetalMac, 14 June 2010 - 12:01 AM.

[Strangelove]

I think its going to be like this.

499, Naruto beats Kyuubi and sucks his chakra.
500, We find out what power Naruto has gained.

[ShippudenGirl]

I think its going to be like this.

499, Naruto beats Kyuubi and sucks his chakra.
500, We find out what power Naruto has gained.

I can deal with this! Its the most plausible - I think O_e

[Insurrection]

Plausibility, Probability, Praticality. And sometimes none of it works, but I say that's about right. If Kisame does attack, Naruto could awake with his new power and finish him when Bee and Yamato are off guard.

Edited by Insurrection, 14 June 2010 - 01:14 AM.

[alexander]

It's just me or the Kyuubi is no longer that strong, I mean sure Naruto got really strong latelly, but it's powers don't seems to be even half of what is was before, just look at fight of madara and Senjou, the fox just looked like the ultimate beast of destruction and doom, and now got defeated kind of easily. Oh well, maybe it's just me overthinking it.

[Gravenimage]

I can't wait for the next chapter I want to read 499 already!

[catsi563]

the thing to udnerstand about the bench scene in regards to her feelings for Sasuke is not that it is about her current feelings which have clearly changed.

what the bench scene is about is that it is the root of her original feelings for sasuke the ones which are part of along with her growing feelings for Naruto and desire to grow which have led her to the current situation.

Its that illusory foudnation that needs to be destroyed and replaced with the more solid foundation of Naruto.

It is an extremely important moment for her because inspite of what followed, which she blamed herself for, that moment established her dreams as being acknowledged. thus fulfilling a powerful theme of the manga.

Edited by catsi563, 14 June 2010 - 02:45 AM.

[Dreamer]

the thing to udnerstand about the bench scene in regards to her feelings for Sasuke is not that it is about her current feelings which have clearly changed.

what the bench scene is about is that it is the root of her original feelings for sasuke the ones which are part of along with her growing feelings for Naruto and desire to grow which have led her to the current situation.

Its that illusory foudnation that needs to be destroyed and replaced with the more solid foundation of Naruto.

It is an extremely important moment for her because inspite of what followed, which she blamed herself for, that moment established her dreams as being acknowledged. thus fulfilling a powerful theme of the manga.

Naruto has to tell Sakura the truth though since it's a lie that needs to be straighten out.

[Broken Figurine]

Yeah, if they sold 50 million in Japan and only 4.8 million in America pairings such as NaruHina hardly make a difference for Kishimoto - especially if there the least favorite pairing in Japan and NaruSaku is the second fav. [not including Yaoi]
I know if NaruSaku doesn't happen I definitely won't give up on the Manga - I love the action and plot, pairings aren't really that important to me compared to that. If you give up on the Manga because your pairing doesn't happen then there was no point of you being a Naruto fan from the beginning.

Where is this information from? I get a lot of conflicting sources. Some say NaruHina is more popular, some say KakaIru is the most popular... Where is the source for this?

Anyway, it was a really sweet chapter. I had always hoped Naruto would get to meet his mom, and he did.