I know...what hypocrisy is. I know what the definition is. I know how to apply it to the world and how to use it in a sentence. No offense, but you are starting to frustrate me with this coming off like I have no idea what I am talking about when I do know what I am talking about. I know how to apply the word. I brought up this conversation with many people asking if this is hypocrisy...even language majors...and by definition it is hypocrisy with the examples I have given. I even showed them the thread and asked only in practice without being biased.
Well that definetaly wasn't my intention at all. However, as you're probably already aware off, it's not always easy to spot intent over the internet. I wasn't trying to annoy you or talk down to you. I was simply using a concrete example so that we both had a common frame of reference.
No, what my argument is is this: "First you want A to happen and not B and then when A finally happens then you instead want B to happen, while still believing that A is the best choice fully aware that doing B was going to take away from A." That is what makes it hypocrisy and not a contradiction nor a change in ideas. A change in idea would be if you thought A was better, but then realize B would be better looking at the evidence.
I see. However, a change in ideas isn't necessarily always based on logic. Sometimes it all comes down to simple wants and needs.
For example.
"I wan't a banana."5 minutes later.
"Now I wan't an apple." If the person wasn't thinking about it and did not realize it, then if they knew they were wrong or being hypocritical I would get a response like this "You're right, I wasn't thinking ahead. I did say that. Let me rephrase myself because my views have changed." Of course, how would I know if someone's views have change or not unless they specifically said they were? This is why I used generalized terms to apply to anyone who thinks in this logic, including myself if I thought like that. The reason why I brought up names was not to accuse them of being as such, but to bring up citations so you know where my logic was coming from. Not from my own head, but from other posters who many agree with and created great logical sense on this board.
Well to me, if one week someone says
"I want A." and then the next week they said
"I want B.", then I see that as an indication that their views have changed. All in all, I see the weekly chapter threads as more of an update of people's thoughts and desires in terms of both character development and the overall direction of the story. After all, the story of Naruto is still a work in progress and so people's thoughts and desires are bound to change.
To put into practice: "Naruto is the man character and people believe this. However, the person wants other characters to have development whether it be to make the villain stronger backstory wise or to give other characters a chance to shine. As soon as this occurs, the same person complains that Naruto doesn't get enough attention, but still believes that other characters need fleshing out fully aware that that attention needed to be taken away from Naruto in order for other characters to get the development they need." I can't explain this any clearer.
This is true. You can't have it both ways. I'm not always equally excited about a certain character getting development/screentime, but unless it really annoys me, I'm just gonna let it be and either recognize that it might be necessary for the story or just hope that eventually the story will give focus to a character that I am invested in.
And no, it doesn't mean you are part of the group if you disagree. Just like what you are doing now. This does NOT make you a hypocrite because you think I am wrong. What makes the logic apply to you is IF you got offended by it because only people guilty of it get offended by it. Understand? I even brought this point with other friends and they got my meaning. I know you know the difference between a disagreement of views and being offended by views.
Some times the simple state of wanting it, creates it.
Yes I know the difference. My point was what if you get offended on others behalf? Like if someone says something demeaning about a certain group of people and you then get offended, not because you're part of that group, but simply because it rubs you the wrong way.
Yet you need black and white to describe the gray. Not everything falls into black and white, but not everything falls in gray either. Sometimes some things are exactly as they are whether you agree or disagree. I could give examples, but they are not appropriate to this board
With that being said, I made my post to be about a grey area, but people accuse it of being black and white. So it is a two way street.
True. Not everything is black and white, but they are.
The bigger question is, what kind of situations apply to this? Unless you already knew, there is no way to tell what is fate and what isn't. Unless you had a time machine and went back in time to try and change the course of history only to realize it was going to happen anyway, that would be fate. Unfortunately, there is no way to know this.
The even bigger question is, would you accept it even if it was?
The only answer I can come up with right now is to just live and then take it from there. Sometimes effort by itself just isn't enough, but at least you tried.
Want a real life example? A personal real life example I have is, I lost someone because of a stupid mistake. I have come to a conclusion that I shouldn't blame myself for it. Not because it really wasn't my fault, because it was my fault nor because I am heartless or have no guilt. It's because I know even if I blamed myself, it wouldn't bring them back. It wouldn't make the situation better. So why bother? Torturing myself doesn't change it.
I am hoping Naruto would find the same logic if it came down to Sasuke dying.
Again, you should just live your life, by always moving forward while still keeping the past in mind. That way, you can use that experience to hopefully keep you from making similar mistakes in the future.
As for Naruto, as long as he tried, then that's good enough.