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[Chatte]

So basically Heaven and Earth (NaruSaku) is the key to subdue the chaos of the Juubi. Damn, talk about a hate comment backfiring.

If there is one thing I like is mythology and literature analysis.

[Tokura Misaki]

Check the updated version of the post.
You'll be more relieved. I hope! ^^
ANd yeah, I did because I was sure that, as always, every pro thing for NaruSaku, the antis will try to twist it.
Funny that this time, the guy actually sold-himself. He even gave us more pro proof for NS.

Actually, in case you miss it, here it is:

Exactly.
Searched on Wikipedia. Says the same thing. [http://en.wikipedia...._creation_myth]
One of the most popular creation myths in Chinese mythology describes Pangu 盤古 separating the world egg-like Hundun 混沌 "primordial chaos" into Heaven and Earth.
Now, doesn't it sound so similar? Panbu - Sage of Six Paths.
Primordial Chaos - Juubi.
Heaven and Earth - Naruto and Sakura, the balance.
I may be clutching at straws or whatever but I think that probably their combo will be the one matching the Juubi's Tenben Chii.
On the principle it takes one to know one. It takes a Heaven and Earth combination to match a Heaven and Earth attack.

Another interesting thing: "this inchoate mass split apart".
The key word here: inchoate.
It was something at the beginning of the worlds, if you wanna say like that. This equals the Juubi's story. Not NaruSaku's.
And, as I said, probably their combo will be an key element against it.
It's like in everyday life. Take the basic life for example.
When you are born, you can't walk, you're a chaos, lol, however, over time, you become an improved version of yourself and you get better, you're being able to walk.
Same here. So if the new you would be to compete with the old you, of course the new you will win, because you're a better version, to say like that.
Pftt, really, trying to dismiss by any way NS... So childish. When this actually works in our advantage.
I must thank that Anti guy. It just reinforced my belief in NS and gave me more pro proof for NaruSaku, haha!

Now that you mention it, Kishi is using a mythical terms for his works and NaruSaku.

Zombies will possibly change a title into "H&E are pretty destructive together" with misinterpretation. ANS makes us famous.

[Chatte]

Now that you mention it, Kishi is using a mythical terms for his works and NaruSaku.

Zombies will possibly change a title into "H&E are pretty destructive together" with misinterpretation. ANS makes us famous.

If one thing I learned is that negative publicity makes you famous. And I mean it. I've worked in New Media/Marketing/Journalism. Sometimes, the more negative the publicity, the more famous.
So welcome to NS. Hated by many, but famous! And if you think at it, the biggest threat to inclusively all Big 3. NH, SS and SK.
Hell, this is a bad-ass of a pairing!

[Atheck]

Later Daoists interpreted this sequence to mean the Dao "Way", formless Wuji "Without Ultimate", unitary Taiji "Great Ultimate", and binary yin and yang or Heaven and Earth.

The (ca. 4th-3rd centuries BCE) Taiyi Shengshui "Great One gave birth to water", a Daoist text recently excavated in the Guodian Chu Slips, offers an alternate creation myth, but analysis remains uncertain.
Zhou's Taiji tushuo diagram

The (ca. 120 CE) Lingxian 靈憲, by the polymath Zhang Heng, thoroughly accounts for the creation of Heaven and Earth.

Before the Great Plainness (or Great Basis, Taisu 太素) came to be, there was dark limpidity and mysterious quiescence, dim and dark. No image of it can be formed. Its midst was void; its exterior was non-existence. Things remained thus for long ages; this is called obscurity (mingxing 溟涬). It was the root of the Dao. … When the stem of the Dao had been grown, creatures came into being and shapes were formed. At this stage, the original qi split and divided, hard and soft first divided, pure and turbid took up different positions. Heaven formed on the outside, and Earth became fixed within. Heaven took it body from the Yang, so it was round and in motion; Earth took its body from the Yin, so it was flat and quiescent. Through motion there was action and giving forth; through quiescence there was conjoining and transformation. Through binding together there was fertilization, and in time all the kinds of things were brought to growth. This is called the Great Origin (Taiyuan 太元). It was the fruition of the Dao. (tr. Cullen 2008:47)

A representative drawing for this is:
http://upload.wikime...ushiTaijitu.png

Now, tell me, doesn't the second circles pattern remind you of something?
If you split them up, and leave it simple, we have an empty circle, round shape. Haruno symbol. If you add that round shape there, it's the initial Haruno Symbol which is now of Hashirama's forehead.
Also, if combined like they are now, doesn't it look a bit swirly? And as we know, that's the Uzumaki sign.
Dunno, once again, I might be stretching things out, however, to me, seeing the drawing patterns of Kishi, it surely smells something.

If only you could present that information to people on other forums in the hopes that it might elucidate some very real possibilities to them. Of course, like you said, it might be stretching it but it's a much more valid theory to help explain future events than the stereotypical denigrations that people inflict Sakura's character with because of their irrational hatred of her.

[Dkey]

If there is one thing I like is mythology and literature analysis.

When I saw that representation. I was all like. OMG colour red, circles.......Chatte will tie it up to Sakura's symbol.

I find it awesome that Kishi takes a lot of interest in inspiring himself from mythology but I wish he wouldn't be so cryptic about it.

He talks about Heaven and Earth at the chuunin exams, then the bridge, Sasuke recruiting Karin and now this chapter. Yeah if he doesn't step up with it we are going to see another reference of it in 2015.

[Don-kun]

One thing I will never understand about the anti NS fans that ship other pairings is the level of hypocrisy, the try to use any argument to downplay NS but after start creating some wishful thinking argument for thei pairing, blaming Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto about Sasuke, treat Sasuke like an innocent baby and the unrequited love argument they use against NS but ignore it when it comes to their pairing.

No wonder why I choose to ignore Anti NS fans pro NH/SS.

[MoonStar]

So there's this thread on Mangafox questioning why Naruto is ignoring Hinata. Yeah, this happens every now and again when someone doesn't quite seem to get Naruto might not feel the way they want him to feel about Hinata, given they've spoken to each other less than 10 times in the whole manga. Still, I digress. The point is almost every post in agreement with the thread always refers back to Sakura being a b*tch and/or should die. Insecure much? I knew it before but it couldn't be any more obvious how threatened they are by Sakura's character.

It's actually a little sad. They hate Sakura for being useless all the while glorifying Hinata who accomplished far less. They hate Sakura for being a b*tch to Naruto in Part 1 all the while ignoring the animosity he suffered from the other Konoha 12 and the villagers. They seem confident than Naruto will be with Hinata yet can't miss an opportunity to vocalize their hate for Sakura. What they're really saying is "I hope Naruto doesn't get with Sakura. "

[Chatte]

If only you could present that information to people on other forums in the hopes that it might elucidate some very real possibilities to them. Of course, like you said, it might be stretching it but it's a much more valid theory to help explain future events than the stereotypical denigrations that people inflict Sakura's character with because of their irrational hatred of her.

Well, people will jump saying that no, it's not true, Sakura means nothing. But I will laugh when it will happen because I AM SURE it will. Honestly, even with my Hashirama theory. There are too many damn things following exactly the path I have set for my theory. I thought it was a simple thing when Hashirama initially appeared but then, on every single chapter, there was something I could relate it to Sakura in a way or another.
And now this. Too many coincidences, once again.
I will try to do it...on NB I can, though I'll get highly flamed, however, on NF I can only post it on NS fanclub. Maybe it will help the members from there.
And, surely, I will post it on my Tumblr.

When I saw that representation. I was all like. OMG colour red, circles.......Chatte will tie it up to Sakura's symbol.

I find it awesome that Kishi takes a lot of interest in inspiring himself from mythology but I wish he wouldn't be so cryptic about it.

He talks about Heaven and Earth at the chuunin exams, then the bridge, Sasuke recruiting Karin and now this chapter. Yeah if he doesn't step up with it we are going to see another reference of it in 2015.

Hahah, but no, really. Think about it. If you would split those up, wouldn't it be like that? Taking away the colors [bonus on the colors - red ]
And yeah, too many references now that Sasuke and Karin and Naruto and Sakura are reunited which were both named Heaven and Earth.
The coincidence is too damn high to mean nothing, even in the slightest bit. Even if it will be subtle, I am sure it will represent something.
Think about it. Naruto and Sakura - Heaven and Earth.
Sasuke and Karin - Havean and Earth.
Naruto and Sasuke - Heaven and Earth, which leaves Sakura and Karin.
Sakura and Karin both healers in their respective way. We could say a support for the bigger Heaven and Earth.
Kishi tied these two together. It's not even OUR imagination!
Sakura's and Karin's colors - red.
Naruto and Sasuke literally Yin and Yang, dark and light.
No matter how people want to take it against us, by the way manga is structured, it's actually pro us.

No wonder why I choose to ignore Anti NS fans pro NH/SS.

Sometimes is better not to ignore them as they are literally diggin' their own grave and lifting us on a pedestal.
See recent story, lol!

Edited by Chatte, 25 April 2013 - 08:32 PM.

[Don-kun]

Well, people will jump saying that no, it's not true, Sakura means nothing. But I will laugh when it will happen because I AM SURE it will. Honestly, even with my Hashirama theory. There are too many damn things following exactly the path I have set for my theory. I thought it was a simple thing when Hashirama initially appeared but then, on every single chapter, there was something I could relate it to Sakura in a way or another.
And now this. Too many coincidences, once again.
I will try to do it...on NB I can, though I'll get highly flamed, however, on NF I can only post it on NS fanclub. Maybe it will help the members from there.
And, surely, I will post it on my Tumblr.



Hahah, but no, really. Think about it. If you would split those up, wouldn't it be like that? Taking away the colors [bonus on the colors - red ]
And yeah, too many references now that Sasuke and Karin and Naruto and Sakura are reunited which were both named Heaven and Earth.
The coincidence is too damn high to mean nothing, even in the slightest bit. Even if it will be subtle, I am sure it will represent something.
Think about it. Naruto and Sakura - Heaven and Earth.
Sasuke and Karin - Havean and Earth.
Naruto and Sasuke - Heaven and Earth, which leaves Sakura and Karin.
Sakura and Karin both healers in their respective way. We could say a support for the bigger Heaven and Earth.
Kishi tied these two together. It's not even OUR imagination!
Sakura's and Karin's colors - red.
Naruto and Sasuke literally Yin and Yang, dark and light.
No matter how people want to take it against us, by the way manga is structured, it's actually pro us.


Sometimes is better not to ignore them as they are literally diggin' their own grave and lifting us on a pedestal.
See recent story, lol!

NS forum on NF is a little different from here, old member have some really solid argument of why the believe in NS. It's more needed here.

[Chatte]

NS forum on NF is a little different from here, old member have some really solid argument of why the believe in NS. It's more needed here.

Yeah, I know, but given I saw Sakutonaru saying it's from NF I thought maybe they'd use it.
Anyway, might be missing a bit.
I have a theory to build!

[MistFlower]

They seem confident than Naruto will be with Hinata yet can't miss an opportunity to vocalize their hate for Sakura. What they're really saying is "I hope Naruto doesn't get with Sakura. "

This is so true. There would be no need to bash her if she wasn't a threat. In fact, if she for sure wasn't a threat, then they would praise her, because she would be with Sasuke, leaving Naruto open for Hinata. I actually think the bashing is kind of a good sign.

[redragon88]

Hahah, but no, really. Think about it. If you would split those up, wouldn't it be like that? Taking away the colors [bonus on the colors - red ]
And yeah, too many references now that Sasuke and Karin and Naruto and Sakura are reunited which were both named Heaven and Earth.
The coincidence is too damn high to mean nothing, even in the slightest bit. Even if it will be subtle, I am sure it will represent something.
Think about it. Naruto and Sakura - Heaven and Earth.
Sasuke and Karin - Havean and Earth.
Naruto and Sasuke - Heaven and Earth, which leaves Sakura and Karin.
Sakura and Karin both healers in their respective way. We could say a support for the bigger Heaven and Earth.
Kishi tied these two together. It's not even OUR imagination!
Sakura's and Karin's colors - red.
Naruto and Sasuke literally Yin and Yang, dark and light.
No matter how people want to take it against us, by the way manga is structured, it's actually pro us.

NaruSaku - the light couple ------------- SasuKarin - the dark couple

I love it when other people pick up on why I love those two pairings. The concepts are just too perfect.

[Chatte]

NaruSaku - the light couple ------------- SasuKarin - the dark couple

I love it when other people pick up on why I love those two pairings. The concepts are just too perfect.

Light and Dark, Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth!
kitten, now I got it!
OMG OMG OMG!
Thanks for pointing that out, lol.
I made os much analyzing and I didn't see it, lol!

[Don-kun]

Sometimes is better not to ignore them as they are literally diggin' their own grave and lifting us on a pedestal.
See recent story, lol!

No can't do the level of hypocrisy is to high.

Hinata thinks about Naruto, pairing hint when was the last time Sakura and Naruto thought about each other, NaruSaku is dead.

Sakura thought about Naruto, it means nothing why does the Zombie acts like if Sakura should be worried about her teammate.

Sasuke arrival Kishi should make a special scene for SS Sasuke saving Sakura from a close death should qualify their previous event as irrelevant, after all Sakura should asking for forgiveness after trying to kill him. I mean.

Sorry chatter but I decided to act as lurker today and could not comprehend the level of nonsense you read on those threads.


@MoonStar
The NH fandom and Au Hinata from that drama CD are the same damn thing, they worry about Sakura since she is the only one who shows sign of returning Naruto feelings, so they want to kill her off or push her towards Sasuke, they just don't want her in NH's way.

[Tokura Misaki]

Later Daoists interpreted this sequence to mean the Dao "Way", formless Wuji "Without Ultimate", unitary Taiji "Great Ultimate", and binary yin and yang or Heaven and Earth.

The (ca. 4th-3rd centuries BCE) Taiyi Shengshui "Great One gave birth to water", a Daoist text recently excavated in the Guodian Chu Slips, offers an alternate creation myth, but analysis remains uncertain.
Zhou's Taiji tushuo diagram

The (ca. 120 CE) Lingxian 靈憲, by the polymath Zhang Heng, thoroughly accounts for the creation of Heaven and Earth.

Before the Great Plainness (or Great Basis, Taisu 太素) came to be, there was dark limpidity and mysterious quiescence, dim and dark. No image of it can be formed. Its midst was void; its exterior was non-existence. Things remained thus for long ages; this is called obscurity (mingxing 溟涬). It was the root of the Dao. … When the stem of the Dao had been grown, creatures came into being and shapes were formed. At this stage, the original qi split and divided, hard and soft first divided, pure and turbid took up different positions. Heaven formed on the outside, and Earth became fixed within. Heaven took it body from the Yang, so it was round and in motion; Earth took its body from the Yin, so it was flat and quiescent. Through motion there was action and giving forth; through quiescence there was conjoining and transformation. Through binding together there was fertilization, and in time all the kinds of things were brought to growth. This is called the Great Origin (Taiyuan 太元). It was the fruition of the Dao. (tr. Cullen 2008:47)

A representative drawing for this is:
http://upload.wikime...ushiTaijitu.png

Now, tell me, doesn't the second circles pattern remind you of something?
If you split them up, and leave it simple, we have an empty circle, round shape. Haruno symbol. If you add that round shape there, it's the initial Haruno Symbol which is now of Hashirama's forehead.
Also, if combined like they are now, doesn't it look a bit swirly? And as we know, that's the Uzumaki sign.
Dunno, once again, I might be stretching things out, however, to me, seeing the drawing patterns of Kishi, it surely smells something.

So that's the reason of Senju-Uzumaki friendship. I think Kishi likes mythology.

If one thing I learned is that negative publicity makes you famous. And I mean it. I've worked in New Media/Marketing/Journalism. Sometimes, the more negative the publicity, the more famous.
So welcome to NS. Hated by many, but famous! And if you think at it, the biggest threat to inclusively all Big 3. NH, SS and SK.
Hell, this is a bad-ass of a pairing!

Bolded: I agree. Zombies know that their pairing will never happen.

SK? One of the Big 3? Or Big 4?

Edited by sakutonaru, 25 April 2013 - 09:02 PM.

[Chatte]

No can't do the level of hypocrisy is to high.

Hinata thinks about Naruto, pairing hint when was the last time Sakura and Naruto thought about each other, NaruSaku is dead.

Sakura thought about Naruto, it means nothing why does the Zombie acts like if Sakura should be worried about her teammate.

Sasuke arrival Kishi should make a special scene for SS Sasuke saving Sakura from a close death should qualify their previous event as irrelevant, after all Sakura should asking for forgiveness after trying to kill him. I mean.

Sorry chatter but I decided to act as lurker today and could not comprehend the level of nonsense you read on those threads.

Well, I do understand what you're saying. I was trying to light-up the mood. In the end, it's just a manga... We shouldn't take it that personally, it's too dangerous for our psyche, lol.

[Gravenimage]

I wonder if Naruto and Sakura defeat the Jyuubi together I would love to see the reaction of opposite fandoms.

[Chatte]

Also, if you think about it, in comparison to them, NS, where Sakura is the mind and Naruto is the body, on Sasuke and Karin is different.
Karin has the body while Sasuke has the mind. Because Sasuke's body is always weakened and the one to heal it is Karin, though he is the better strategist.
With NaruSaku, is different. She has the brains and thinks more clearly and strategically while he has the body.

[AzureWaters]

The NH fandom and Au Hinata from that drama CD are the same damn thing, they worry about Sakura since she is the only one who shows sign of returning Naruto feelings, so they want to kill her off or push her towards Sasuke, they just don't want her in NH's way.

Well tbh it's not much different than what's happening here as well. There's been a lot of NaruSaku fans sideshipping (yes *side* shipping) SasuKarin to get Sasuke out of the way. I seriously doubt many actually give two f**cks who Sasuke ends up with, or Karin for that matter. It goes both ways.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder if Naruto and Sakura defeat the Jyuubi together I would love to see the reaction of opposite fandoms.

Well honestly, the inner fanboy will explode but I will be hypocrite for saying two people taking out the villains will be cheesy. Although...I did say villains not a villain. Fine, I'll be fair, it will be cheesy. Besides it won't happen...but a man can dream.

So how's everyone in terms of NS? Big news going around in movie thread, anime studio is becoming more biased with NS than ever (what else is new), and well, just got back from job interview. Looking great today.