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[narusaku256]

So, you all against the idea of developments for a tragic end?

Yes! Like Bake-neko chan said it won't be the same without her!

[Hanabi]

if guy's not dying sakura's definitely not dying either.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, it's just an example. I'm just saying that killing one of romantic partner equal a huge no-no. At least, that's what I'm getting that vibe from comments section elsewhere. You should know...

[TouKen4Life3g]

if guy's not dying sakura's definitely not dying either.

You know, the fact that he didn't die really tells me that the one that did early on are really dead. I mean I can be wrong of course, but it is telling so far.

[Gojira]

What I mean is that all the developments we gone through means nothing because well, Sakura died. Note: don't bring it up what you said yesterday. We already get the "twist".

Anyway, yeah, do you believe killing her off will make all developments beforehand into worthless or it was used to create a sad drama when it reach to this point?

I'd say both, it was made worthless by turning it into a sad drama.

[Hanabi]

You know, the fact that he didn't die really tells me that the one that did early on are really dead. I mean I can be wrong of course, but it is telling so far.

what do you mean?

 

no more rinne-tensei for the dead soldiers like neji?

[TouKen4Life3g]

what do you mean?
 
no more rinne-tensei for the dead soldiers like neji?

Yeah. I mean why not just kill them? If they will get revived, then why have some live? They could die and be brought back to life. I mean you can have Naruto saying thank you to Gai as he dies, rather than save him with not knowing how.

Again, I can be wrong, but so far, seems like Neji and others will remain dead....T_T

[Hanabi]

well.. even though neji's death wasn't all that great, naruto+alliance made a giant chakra bird in his memory and that's as grand as jiraiya's death.. so yeah.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Either way, he's dead and yeah, rip.

[Gojira]

No spoilers yet?

In that case let's pass the time by talking about how dead the other ships are

SS - completely dead in the water. After all is said and done, both characters would have to act completely OOC for it to even be given a chance again. Sakura would have to take several steps back as a character and go back to her part 1 phase while Sasuke would have to flat out be OOC to even acknowledge her existence. Hell even in the bizarre world where Sasuke was basically Charlie Harper and was after Sakura, this still led to absolutely nothing.

NH - Naruto has never once thought of Hinata in a romantic light ever. Other than that even if there were hints on his part, it wouldn't make sense for them to have a family at the end. First of all their lifestyles are completely different, second Naruto has never had any interaction with her father and she never had any interaction with Naruto's brother (Sasuke) Litle brother(konohamaru), Granny (Tsunade), Godfather (Jiraiya) or biological Father (Minato). Also because she never once thought of his dream as hokage so seeing her there with him as he's hokage just seems off and finally I can't picture Shinachiku being a hyuuga because.....hyuugas haven't been relevant since the chunnin exams arc so it would just feel...idk weird.

(EDIT: oh wait I asked this question already....oh well kitten it)Well that was fun. Anyway what else is there? Who do you guys think Ino will end up with (Asuma's final words pretty much guaranteed that both her and Sakura are going to end up with someone at the end)Likely Chouji since she has more interaction with him than Shikamaru, besides Shikamaru will most likely end up with that one girl with the swirly glasses (forgot her name).

Edited by Pepsi, 04 May 2014 - 10:35 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

All I'm asking is if people are ok with the idea of killing a character in a relationship, after a period of time of developments, would be ok for the sake of well, whatever you're targeting at. Whether it will fail or not, the idea is that's what it made for.

I noticed a lot of people usually get heated up when a main character dies because we journeyed his/her adventure for so long, that we get mad if he/she dies. Though at times, if the story writes "this person will die" then well, expect it. But anyway, it would seem like people are ok if the developments weren't so large and didn't feel like a waste of time. For example, let's say you have a movie that these two are together or going to be but not a lot of developments on-screen, so when one of them dies, you'll be like "well that sucks." Now, if you focus a lot with those two, only to end one of them, you'll be like "well, that was pointless." Though some will get the feeling of "all of those developments happened because when the end comes, we all be crying!"

As of now, I am starting to see this argument and that's why I'm asking you folks. Honestly, the ok reception could be done if you have a runner-up in the making, so when one of them dies, it's like a lesson learn. No, NH isn't happening. I mean it could work, but not enough details to go pass enlightenment. So that's why I asked. Seems like no one in favor of that idea for possibly anywhere.

Being honest with you i'll be okay but not on this story on a spin-off or something like that becausse it lacks reasoning, death has no meaning on Naruto anymore since Pain ressurrected everyone on the villge.
The notion is that death itself can be escaped by several means, and now we see Madara being immortal with the power of the sage and i dont understand why the sage had to chose a successor if he should be imortal like Madara.

Going back, i've seen Danganronpa 2 which is basically express your opinion, obviously it was sad but it had a reasoning, she made a sacrifice so they could've went to the other level and end that nightmare-ish situation.
But on Naruto, killing her would have the same value as killing Neji, how many times Naruto revisited the same lesson over and over on this arc, i srsly believe Kishimoto screwed any sense of logic on this manga.

I would never been able to accept logically why Sakura had a permanent death and the ninjas of the village, Gai, Kakashi didnt.
GAI HAd HIS BODY COMPLETELY CHARRED!
Tsunade WAS SPLIT IN HALF DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 May 2014 - 11:52 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Easy there. Lol, I understand.

[MoonDrop04]

Hey would anyone like the idea of Sakura using the shadow clone Jutsu in the future??

[narusaku256]

Sometimes, I actually think that some off-panel development has taken place for NS. Yeah, I know not quite probable but since Naruto is a shounen manga, romance is not one of its interests. The on-panel development we get is because when NS becomes canon it should not seem like something out of the blue like Vejeta and Bulma. This is just a thought! I think like this because of Naruto's girlfriend comment. It was never practically shown to us/canonically established that Sakura now loves Naruto. And yet, she did not deny Naruto's statement but instead asked him to concentrate on stuff at hand. It seemed like BOTH Naruto and Sakura are aware of each others feelings now and they just need to confess now. Then again we did not get the wake up scene! That parallel page was not it. There was surely something more to it. Again, the confession part. A confession of love between two people who are so close to each other, goes unnoticed after major things are dealt with? Sounds very much impossible. But again, there can be more interpretations to these things, I am not saying this is what is the case but this can be one of the cases.

[Gojira]

Sometimes, I actually think that some off-panel development has taken place for NS. Yeah, I know not quite probable but since Naruto is a shounen manga, romance is not one of its interests. The on-panel development we get is because when NS becomes canon it should not seem like something out of the blue like Vejeta and Bulma. This is just a thought! I think like this because of Naruto's girlfriend comment. It was never practically shown to us/canonically established that Sakura now loves Naruto. And yet, she did not deny Naruto's statement but instead asked him to concentrate on stuff at hand. It seemed like BOTH Naruto and Sakura are aware of each others feelings now and they just need to confess now. Then again we did not get the wake up scene! That parallel page was not it. There was surely something more to it. Again, the confession part. A confession of love between two people who are so close to each other, goes unnoticed after major things are dealt with? Sounds very much impossible. But again, there can be more interpretations to these things, I am not saying this is what is the case but this can be one of the cases.

Its highly doubtful that there was a scene we missed or something happened off-panel. At this point it isn't weird that they are aware of their feelings for each other. Sakura is aware of how Naruto feels because of Sai and Naruto is aware of how Sakura feels because of the confession. They spend a majority of their time together whether with or without Team 7 and have been out on dates, honestly it would be weird if they did still think it was platonic.

Not sure if Naruto will end up confessing since Sai basically did it for him.

[narusaku256]

Spoilers aren't out yet?

[Chatte]

There's something on the chapter thread.

[TyranntX]

I really thin that the only two who are going to die at this point are Obito and Madara.

[KeikoxYusuke]

I know, right?
Let me do a little of self advertisement. At the time I was working on a RTN Doujin, I tried to animate Road to Charasuke... 
But the process is too difficult! I don't have abilities with these art programs (photoshop and etc). My plans were to draw frame per frame and put all pages in the movie maker or sony vegas.  It would sound like a photo novel, but at least something you could watch!  Well, my thoughts on RTN isn't different from the majority here. Kishimoto implied a lot on the context for we can take to the NS side. He showed that his troll nature is real (SS and NH on the ads for the final product be NS), his thoughts about MK being a parallel to NS (Kushina even support Naruto's approach to Sakura)... 
Also, Sakura was chosen, from all characters, to be Naruto's partner in this movie. Why is that? He could take Sasuke or make Naruto all alone. It would just be hilarious to see Sakura's alternative character! Imagine how she would act near Naruto and how Hinata would react. And if Sakura was that person close to Menma (ino stated that she loves him in the drama CD), making her being close to Naruto in the movie would be so fantastic! Surely, Naruto would have much more to deal than just with his undead parents...
 
But no, Kishimoto placed Sakura there, to be at Naruto's side all the time. She was his only vestige of reality. If it wasn't for her, he could be trapped forever in that universe! And their interactions in the movie represented the canon development in the timeline of the manga. At first, Sakura was that spoiled fangirl who would treat Naruto bad if her humor said so, but little by little she walks in his shoes and recoganize all the pain he is used to carry. And she goes after him, wanting to help and support him, putting all her desires aside for his happiness AGAIN! The tsukuyomi world represents one's truest wishes. Sakura and Naruto wanted Sasuke on the village, so there he was. Sakura wanted the atention of the most popular boy of the village and she got it. By the end she realizes how empty and vague that feeling was when she busted him flirting with other girls. She protects Naruto with her own life, she worries about him... Nothing romanticaly important, it's just friendship. But this is the surface.
 
Reality itself changed, but the essence didn't. Hinata continued to love (or to be obssessed by) Menma (who is Naruto's counterpart), Sasuke continued to be proud and selfish, the trio Inoshikacho didn't broke, they still were together... And the characters still had a conspiracy/theories about Menma's and Sakura's relationship. Don't tell me this doesn't exist on the canon world because it exist! Sai, Yamato, Ino and Minato are great conspirators/theorists! In the RTN world, we see this by Kushina, Minato and Ino (on the drama CD). We can include Kishimoto in this list? Because he made Sakura play the Kushina role when she got kidnapped by the masked man. Even the when she was chained was the same. Naruto appears and defeat the enemy the same way his father did. So?
 
To summarize, RTN was a weak movie (with some plot holes) and could've been soooo better... It was good, but not enough. It was the most weak of them all, specially in the animation that was terribly bad. I don't see different, the movie was made just to present Kishimoto's intentions. Not only about NS, but about his passion about parenting too.

the animation is quite good, just don't watch the Korean version....that one was released before they had time to do the touch ups. It looks great now!

Btw, I LOVE your entire post and agree completely!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well at least the animation is pretty good when the time was right. Yeah, theater edition was average but the DVD one is better and the third act is still pretty good, which is the best time to do so. So yeah, NS get the nice treatment. ;)

So, working in a new building and I'm feeling so nervous in many ways. This next chapter, this environment, etc. What a start. Lol.