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[HauntedCake]

Just had a thought...

I believe another NH interaction will come up because if 615 was the last of NH interaction then how will we know if Naruto rejects her??? I think Hinata will talk to naruto and Naruto will turn her down... maybe even with our Sakura-chan listening in

Naruto - "I love Sakura-chan, Hinata"

Hinata - "Oh.....i see"

Sakura - "(Thinks)Naruto...i love you too"

[Ex-psych75]

I think Hinata would be more understanding about the rejection though.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Its still funny how despite being such a huge moment for Hinata, its only 1 chapter and fades to the back. Hinata just thinking about Naruto's hands.

Yet again, we get Sakura close by after the event and from this current one, knowing that Naruto may be in trouble from using Kurama's chakra, obviously it has to cause some damage to him. Sakura knows what the power can do, it burnt his whole freaking body in the 4 tails event. Naruto has control of it now but his body still has a limit. Chakra gathering for Kurama is no problem, but channeling so much for Naruto is an issue. He is still human despite the massive power. Not hard to imagine Sakura could take a role in helping him channel it.

It still blows my mind that people say Hinata knows him better by just giving him the same exact speech he always gave everyone else, Hinata just copied him and in a nutshell became his reserve morale, basically he cracked but used the spare morale booster up, and even then kurama had to give him input too. They say Hinata knows him best yet Sakura is again the one saying that he may harm himself. Hell if anyone knows Naruto best, its Kurama I mean he has been inside Naruto for the past 16 years, I think he would know Naruto inside and out literally!

The current state can allow Sakura a setup and a role, but even then when it comes to Sakura people are just disregarding her. We get these oversimplified events with Hinata that don't do much and people act like its a major story advancement. We get major events with Sakura, they are simple even as others explain (like Sai in the confession) then they completely miss the point. I mean in the 4 tails event, they call Sakura dumb because she tried to snap Naruto out of it, how many times has this type of thing happened in other animation when a friend's will was taken over? They need to make Sakura an issue.

Even with the parallels, they still just think its a matter of things going the same. Not with team 7, team 7s fate is what should be the opposite of the failures and dark fates suffered by the Sanin and Team Minato. Team 7 started with things the same as the others, but should end the complete opposite, development full circle for Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. Naruto is hokage, loved, acknowledged, brings peace. Sakura loves Naruto and chooses him over Sasuke but still friends with Sasuke (forgives via Naruto's TNJ), and Sasuke is back in the village, over revenge, respects Naruto as an equal, starts a better future for his clan or if the village is ruled out, the new akasuti as a peace keeping force.

Seriously though, the people who want NH in my opinion, they mainly want SS cause they don't care about Sakura, they don't care about her role or think she is important to the story, long as she was in team 7 she was important. They just think Hinata can somehow be inserted into the Sasuke issue. They careless for the story and don't care how much it gets uprooted for a complete character inversion and butchering. If Sakura gets butchered then so does Sasuke. They don't care as long as their pairing comes true. They would not be making this issue if Kishi actually put more emphasis on NH and SS but he still chose to do NS more, even showcasing a lot of it in RtN, still kinda hard to believe after using so much work, he should just dump it. No matter what kishi does from this point forward anything with NH or SS just would break the story, yet others act like NS is the real enemy despite it being the one tied into the story.

Well said.

About your last paragraph, it's funny because that's how anime did it in the CD: have one pairing confirm to have another. I think the studio knows the situation.

[Inferno180]

I think Hinata would be more understanding about the rejection though.

Well gotta give Hinata credit for 2 things:
1. She was the only girl with a crush to not be on some jerk
2. She is not the competitive type.

She is fully okay with Naruto's choice, I mean she didn't think otherwise when Sakura hugged Naruto. Heck she held Naruto's hand and stood beside him. If that was NH's big moment, it cannot be topped because then it would bring itself down in a sense.

Heck I can believe Hinata can tell Naruto that she is done chasing him and they can both have a mutual talk about how Naruto is thankful and does not feel the same for her but Hinata is mature enough to accept it. I mean Jiriaya loved Tusnade but he accepted her love for Dan even when he died. Its not hard to think of what can be done with Hinata in this late period, she can merely just watch a confession between Naruto and Sakura and just stop it there and be happy for him.

Base point of this is, its not hard to imagine an ending for such a minor character like her. Again many fans act like its a paradox puzzle that cannot go undone, no it really can be easily finished. Hinata has not done much in the long run, she can be finished and get closure over Naruto merely seeing his reasons and feelings for Sakura. Sakura is a main and much more complex character, she needs more done before her proper ending, I mean the NS ending is the most obvious and best way for her to end and this can come in many shapes and sizes without harming the story. NH well it will always have less development and just be a complete asspull in any sense, it can work but would just shake things around too much. SS would be kishi and the editors basically flipped the tables, dumped gasoline on the entire workspace, burnt it, did a funny dance, then just copied and pasted anything they could find from fanfictions around the internet and put it into the story as canon.

Heck we have the majority of the manga, parallels, moments, and even more in the anime both canon filler and pure filler (sidenote, canon filler means events tied directly to canon events but they are either extended or different, basically Sakura telling Sai he was wrong about Naruto or Hinata's pain moment getting an entire episode are canon-filler, the main event is canon but not the events in the anime). Heck we have more in other media too, we have RtN, even in UNS3 there was more NaruSaku and though Hinata had her own special sidemission with Naruto, Sakura did too and even then, the whole hero side of things had more canon choices tied to it. We even have an OVA and now another one because of RtN.

Basically put- even with NH getting such a big fanbase, there is more NaruSaku no matter where you look, the manga is the important part, we have the majority of it and even the other media. NaruHina is developed mainly outside the manga, now I don't know about the rest of you but I'd prefer the pairing which actually has a lot of development in the manga rather than the anime. (Even then ours is still better developed even in the anime )

[KnS]

I think Hinata would be more understanding about the rejection though.

If, as many believe, Hinata's character is meant to be a reflection of Naruto's nindo -- because she is inspired by him and tries to copy him -- then it would make sense if she ultimately chooses to accept Naruto's love for someone else and not try to stand in the way.

Because that's exactly what Naruto has always done for Sakura. He chose to accept her love for Sasuke and has never tried to stand in the way regardless of how he feels about Sakura himself.

I'm guessing that Hinata fans would see her willingness to do that as proof that she and Naruto view love the same way and are therefore meant to be together, but again, I personally think it's a mistake to view the story in terms of what Hinata wants rather than what the hero/title character wants.

It's Naruto's story. His path, goals, and heart are the point of the story.

[Chatte]

If, as many believe, Hinata's character is meant to be a reflection of Naruto's nindo -- because she is inspired by him and tries to copy him -- then it would make sense if she ultimately chooses to accept Naruto's love for someone else and not try to stand in the way.

Because that's exactly what Naruto has always done for Sakura. He chose to accept her love for Sasuke and has never tried to stand in the way regardless of how he feels about Sakura himself.

I'm guessing that Hinata fans would see her willingness to do that as proof that she and Naruto view love the same way and are therefore meant to be together, but again, I personally think it's a mistake to view the story in terms of what Hinata wants rather than what the hero/title character wants.

It's Naruto's story. His path, goals, and heart are the point of the story.

And this reminds me when Kishi said that one case of unrequited love will be fulfilled.
Well, guess who's one?
Naruto's, Sakura's, Hinata's?
And that was back in part 1.
In part 2 Kishi started developing NaruSaku and Sakura became more considerate of Naruto.
Coincidence much?

[StrikerTheNoble]

And this reminds me when Kishi said that one case of unrequited love will be fulfilled.
Well, guess who's one?
Naruto's, Sakura's, Hinata's?
And that was back in part 1.
In part 2 Kishi started developing NaruSaku and Sakura became more considerate of Naruto.
Coincidence much?

Logicly it has to be Naruto`s because from the story`s perspective we shouldn`t care about Hinata. She`s just there. Why rob Naruto of his true love so Hinata can have hers.

[Tokura Misaki]

I found this quoted on ANS on NF.

In the Chinese Mythology when the Earth and Heavens were created, these two things were combined. When Heaven and Earth were combined, they created nothing but utter chaos. Through the union of Yin and Yang, Pan Ku was born. Inside the big black cosmic egg, which is the chaos of Heaven and Earth, he grew inside of this egg. after 18 thousand years he finally cracks the egg open because he woke up and felt suffocated. Once the Heavens floated to the sky and the Earth stayed below he acted separating the Heaven and Earth and 10 ft every day they grew apart. For 9 million years he acted as a pillar so Heaven and Earth would never join again, finally, he laid down to rest.

Heh, so... Heaven and Earth combined together can cause complete chaos.

Edited by sakutonaru, 25 April 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Chatte]

I found this quoted on ANS on NF.

Oh, lol, only that the thing is, on Naruto Manga, there's a different aspect to it. From Juubi's point of view, yeah, we can see.
But not from Sakura and Naruto's.

LE: Wait wait wait wait wait!
I now read about it, actually, it was first chaos and then Heaven and Earth were created.
Now, we have Chaos, Juubi unleashed.
Who's next?

Lol, Actually in the Chinese mythology it says kinda the same thing, that they were born from chaos, not created utter chaos.
http://books.google....G...ogy&f=false

Edited by Chatte, 25 April 2013 - 07:26 PM.

[Dkey]

Oh, lol, only that the thing is, on Naruto Manga, there's a different aspect to it. From Juubi's point of view, yeah, we can see.
But not from Sakura and Naruto's.

LE: Wait wait wait wait wait!
I now read about it, actually, it was first chaos and then Heaven and Earth were created.
Now, we have Chaos, Juubi unleashed.
Who's next?

Lol, Actually in the Chinese mythology it says kinda the same thing, that they were born from chaos, not created utter chaos.
http://books.google....G...ogy&f=false

Creation myths and love stories. They have one thing in common.

Edit: Grrr it seems like always regarding creation myths that words aren't what they mean. And I am to tired to read up on what they mean

People debate about them

Edited by Dkey, 25 April 2013 - 07:30 PM.

[六道仙人]

I found this quoted on ANS on NF.

nonsense... This folklore can't be applied in Naruto world. Besides, Chatte said the right thing. Heaven and Earth were created in order to provide the right balance to the chaos caused by that being.

Edited by 六道仙人, 25 April 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[Chatte]

Creation myths and love stories. They have one thing in common.

Edit: Grrr it seems like always regarding creation myths that words aren't what they mean. And I am to tired to read up on what they mean

People debate about them

True. Funny how people always want to dismiss NS as a pairing by any means, twisting even mythologies. I mean, LOL!
We are that much of a threat.

nonsense... This folklore can't be applied in Naruto world. Besides, Chatte said the right thing. Heaven and Earth were created in order to provide the right balance to the chaos caused by that being.

Exactly.
Searched on Wikipedia. Says the same thing. [http://en.wikipedia...._creation_myth]
One of the most popular creation myths in Chinese mythology describes Pangu 盤古 separating the world egg-like Hundun 混沌 "primordial chaos" into Heaven and Earth.
Now, doesn't it sound so similar? Panbu - Sage of Six Paths.
Primordial Chaos - Juubi.
Heaven and Earth - Naruto and Sakura, the balance.
I may be clutching at straws or whatever but I think thatprobably their combo will be the one matching the Juubi's Tenben Chii. ;)
On the principle it takes one to know one. It takes a Heaven and Earth combination to match a Heaven and Earth attack. ;)

Another interesting thing: "this inchoate mass split apart".
The key word here: inchoate.
It was something at the beginning of the worlds, if you wanna say like that. This equals the Juubi's story. Not NaruSaku's.
And, as I said, probably their combo will be an key element against it.
It's like in everyday life. Take the basic life for example.
When you are born, you can't walk, you're a chaos, lol, however, over time, you become an improved version of yourself and you get better, you're being able to walk.
Same here. So if the new you would be to compete with the old you, of course the new you will win, because you're a better version, to say like that.
Pftt, really, trying to dismiss by any way NS... So childish. When this actually works in our advantage.
I must thank that Anti guy. It just reinforced my belief in NS and gave me more pro proof for NaruSaku, haha!

Edited by Chatte, 25 April 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Tokura Misaki]

Oh, lol, only that the thing is, on Naruto Manga, there's a different aspect to it. From Juubi's point of view, yeah, we can see.
But not from Sakura and Naruto's.

LE: Wait wait wait wait wait!
I now read about it, actually, it was first chaos and then Heaven and Earth were created.
Now, we have Chaos, Juubi unleashed.
Who's next?

Lol, Actually in the Chinese mythology it says kinda the same thing, that they were born from chaos, not created utter chaos.
http://books.google....G...ogy&f=false

You really search for this. You're such a hard-worker. Thanks for the link. I'll gonna read it. I'm glad those zombies misinterpret this one.

[Inferno180]

And this reminds me when Kishi said that one case of unrequited love will be fulfilled.
Well, guess who's one?
Naruto's, Sakura's, Hinata's?
And that was back in part 1.
In part 2 Kishi started developing NaruSaku and Sakura became more considerate of Naruto.
Coincidence much?

Well even before part 2, Sasuke did not care for Sakura beyond just friends, even when she was crying for him such as the chunin exam preliminaries, Naruto would always put Sakura's well-being and even yell at Sasuke saying shes just worried about you, stop acting like a jerk! Yet Sasuke just kept to himself, he did think of them as friends for a time but that was not his cup of tea, he chose revenge. So for Sakura's love its about maturing beyond this old ideal.

Hinata was always loving Naruto but the problem is this: its largely undeveloped. It started in the chunin exams but the moment neji is beaten, this is gone till the end of part 1. Hinata has no lasting role in any other arc beyond the chunin exams, this was over 10 years ago. Then Hinata has her brief reunion in the Sasuke and Sai arc with Naruto but faints, then has a minor role in the Itachi Pursuit arc but again this arc was focused on Sasuke and Itachi. Team 7 got practically no development in this arc. Then comes pain and she just announces she loves him, then fade to the back again, then comes the 615 moment. Problem is, notice the gap between the chunin exams and pain event, thats a load of chapters. This two points are where the important development is the chunin exams and the pain moment, the problem is, there is no development between these points, literally it was just a nitro boost.

SS and NH existed and had the potential in a time when it was more acceptable. But Kishi just put more and more on NaruSaku, even to the point when we see elements of nobility, pain, and willing sacrifice for each other in NaruSaku and not in the others. This should just be dumped? Its a basic point of character development, more screentime = more importance. Hinata is low in this scale.

I cannot even fathom this, kishi had the choice to do more with Hinata years ago but chose Sakura more and more. Its not good for Hinata to just have this gap and just try to make her suddenly this important in the series this late. I mean isn't it Naruto and Sakura who have the pains of love and impacts on each other yet do the selfless things? Is Hinata aware of Naruto's crush on Sakura let alone the reasons for it? I never accept any anti-NS argument which says Sakura leaving Sasuke for Naruto is just a second choice out of pity. No it really is not, Naruto has a sense of nobility to his reasons for Sakura, a sense of virtue and validation, to fulfill himself for his friend and crush, Sakura knows Naruto loves her but may not be sure why I mean Sai said he loves her but she does not know all the reasons and want to know why, Sakura is aware that someone loves her, something she herself may not have expected. Its something that both of them can confront each other on and understand. Naruto could tell her why he loves her, he still has not. Sakura may want to know why too. She may confront Naruto on this and want to know what he sees in her and why despite her shortcomings to him, this could be another big moment Yet many haters just treat this as something harder than cold fusion. No the truth is Naruto giving up on Sakura and settling for Hinata would be out of pity, he has no big reasons in his friendship with Hinata like he does in his love for Sakura now does he? Giving up on Sakura means giving up on his reasons for her, he would go to Hinata simply because she loves him. That would be out of pity. Sakura does not love Naruto currently but she knows that he loves her and this can impact her beyond the 5 kage summit especially when Sasuke comes back into the picture.


Its this sense of illogical nonsense that I usually stay away from Narutowiki, they just give Naruto's relationship with her kept at had as in past tense with the crush yet when nothing has been shown to change, then they basically flood his relationship page with most on Hinata because of this insane perception of her being important. Sakura's is big but they still tend to try and show negativity, what makes me stay away is, whenever sakura has something done on her with Naruto, they act like they want to sensor it and try to remove any interaction from the pages between them like it never happened, this is why I never go to the site aside from technique or otherwise lore stuff that I may need clarification on like Jutsu or how Madara got the ten tails statue.

It really makes me amazed how insane one overly simplified character has been blown out of proportion so much, I'm almost wishing Kishi had killed Hinata off in the pain arc to have never let this nonsense grow as large as it has.

[Chatte]

You really search for this. You're such a hard-worker. Thanks for the link. I'll gonna read it. I'm glad those zombies misinterpret this one.

Check the updated version of the post.
You'll be more relieved. I hope! ^^
ANd yeah, I did because I was sure that, as always, every pro thing for NaruSaku, the antis will try to twist it.
Funny that this time, the guy actually sold-himself. He even gave us more pro proof for NS.

Actually, in case you miss it, here it is:

Exactly.
Searched on Wikipedia. Says the same thing. [http://en.wikipedia...._creation_myth]
One of the most popular creation myths in Chinese mythology describes Pangu 盤古 separating the world egg-like Hundun 混沌 "primordial chaos" into Heaven and Earth.
Now, doesn't it sound so similar? Panbu - Sage of Six Paths.
Primordial Chaos - Juubi.
Heaven and Earth - Naruto and Sakura, the balance.
I may be clutching at straws or whatever but I think that probably their combo will be the one matching the Juubi's Tenben Chii.
On the principle it takes one to know one. It takes a Heaven and Earth combination to match a Heaven and Earth attack.

Another interesting thing: "this inchoate mass split apart".
The key word here: inchoate.
It was something at the beginning of the worlds, if you wanna say like that. This equals the Juubi's story. Not NaruSaku's.
And, as I said, probably their combo will be an key element against it.
It's like in everyday life. Take the basic life for example.
When you are born, you can't walk, you're a chaos, lol, however, over time, you become an improved version of yourself and you get better, you're being able to walk.
Same here. So if the new you would be to compete with the old you, of course the new you will win, because you're a better version, to say like that.
Pftt, really, trying to dismiss by any way NS... So childish. When this actually works in our advantage.
I must thank that Anti guy. It just reinforced my belief in NS and gave me more pro proof for NaruSaku, haha!

Edited by Chatte, 25 April 2013 - 07:45 PM.

[redragon88]

I found this quoted on ANS on NF.

Iruka is not amused.

[MistFlower]

It really makes me amazed how insane one overly simplified character has been blown out of proportion so much, I'm almost wishing Kishi had killed Hinata off in the pain arc to have never let this nonsense grow as large as it has.

While killing off Hinata would have caused us, as NS fans, a lot less stress, it still would have left the Hinata fans with the notion that Naruto only ended up with Sakura because Hinata was killed. Sad but true. Also, yes, I agree that almost everything Hinata does in the story is seen as some sort of heroic action by majority of Western fans. However, that's literally all she does. Yes she has some "heroic" actions, but only when she's on panel, which is actually not that often. I mean, with as much panel time as Sakura has had over the years, there is bound to be a lot more going on with her, therefore, a lot more opportnities to find something to criticize. It's kind of what NH fans lean on, the things that Sakura does wrong. I mean, imagine if Sakura was this unrealistic, flawless character. She would have a lot less haters, but also would be a lot less likeable IMO.

Sorry this was kinda off topic.

[Chatte]

Later Daoists interpreted this sequence to mean the Dao "Way", formless Wuji "Without Ultimate", unitary Taiji "Great Ultimate", and binary yin and yang or Heaven and Earth.

The (ca. 4th-3rd centuries BCE) Taiyi Shengshui "Great One gave birth to water", a Daoist text recently excavated in the Guodian Chu Slips, offers an alternate creation myth, but analysis remains uncertain.
Zhou's Taiji tushuo diagram

The (ca. 120 CE) Lingxian 靈憲, by the polymath Zhang Heng, thoroughly accounts for the creation of Heaven and Earth.

Before the Great Plainness (or Great Basis, Taisu 太素) came to be, there was dark limpidity and mysterious quiescence, dim and dark. No image of it can be formed. Its midst was void; its exterior was non-existence. Things remained thus for long ages; this is called obscurity (mingxing 溟涬). It was the root of the Dao. … When the stem of the Dao had been grown, creatures came into being and shapes were formed. At this stage, the original qi split and divided, hard and soft first divided, pure and turbid took up different positions. Heaven formed on the outside, and Earth became fixed within. Heaven took it body from the Yang, so it was round and in motion; Earth took its body from the Yin, so it was flat and quiescent. Through motion there was action and giving forth; through quiescence there was conjoining and transformation. Through binding together there was fertilization, and in time all the kinds of things were brought to growth. This is called the Great Origin (Taiyuan 太元). It was the fruition of the Dao. (tr. Cullen 2008:47)

A representative drawing for this is:
http://upload.wikime...ushiTaijitu.png

Now, tell me, doesn't the second circles pattern remind you of something?
If you split them up, and leave it simple, we have an empty circle, round shape. Haruno symbol. If you add that round shape there, it's the initial Haruno Symbol which is now of Hashirama's forehead.
Also, if combined like they are now, doesn't it look a bit swirly? And as we know, that's the Uzumaki sign.
Dunno, once again, I might be stretching things out, however, to me, seeing the drawing patterns of Kishi, it surely smells something.

[HauntedCake]

just read inferno's last LAP and he said Sakura is not in love woth Naruto ATM. What do you guys think???

Personally i would say she is but hasn't come to accept/realize it (Due to sasuke preoccupying her mind when it comes to romance)

[redragon88]

nonsense... This folklore can't be applied in Naruto world. Besides, Chatte said the right thing. Heaven and Earth were created in order to provide the right balance to the chaos caused by that being.

So basically Heaven and Earth (NaruSaku) is the key to subdue the chaos of the Juubi. Damn, talk about a hate comment backfiring.