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[FireFox]

There is one problem with Sakura comparing her actions with Hinata's thinking that what Hinata did for him was more or better then anything she has done for him , if that was the case then why did Sakura criticized her actions and deem them as reckless she was mad at Hinata for doing that but she understands why and that is what the picture in her head of Naruto shows she was sad of the revelation that Hinata loves Naruto , it made her aware that someone else loves Naruto and she was not happy about it .  

[narusaku256]

I said empathy because i have no idea because it wasnt either jealously and it triggered nothing.
I mean she did the confession despite Hinata's feelings and her low view about herself, it pratically kills off any impact this scene had on later chapters.
Also the possibility of she starting to think he's having feelings for Hinata pratically goes down when he called her his gf despite being a joke or serious it still counts and when he feels jealous later.
I think that scene has no impact whatesover, i think any drama he might tried to buildup with that moment he discarded.

I would understand why Naruto wont confess to her which starts with Sasuke but as for Sakura she didnt cared about Hinata's feelings neither her low view about herself during her fake confession why she would care if she does a genuine one, it would be 100% autistic to me.

Point taken! I still don't agree with the empathy part, but as for the rest of the part, you do have a point. So I take it, if Sakura doesn't confess it won't be because of her inferiority complex or feelings of Hinata for Naruto! I think she didn't care about her low of herself during the confession was because, she was just thinking only about Naruto's well being, safety and what not, when she confessed ^_^

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, but still at the end it comes down to the fact that she wasn't happy/was upset with the fact that someone else loved Naruto, isn't it?

Edited by narusaku256, 04 May 2014 - 05:24 PM.

[FireFox]

Point taken! I still don't agree with the empathy part, but as for the rest of the part, you do have a point. So I take it, if Sakura doesn't confess it won't be because of her inferiority complex or feelings of Hinata for Naruto! I think she didn't care about her low of herself during the confession was because, she was just thinking only about Naruto's well being, safety and what not, when she confessed ^_^

@NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, but still at the end it comes down to the fact that she wasn't happy/was upset with the fact that someone else loved Naruto, isn't it?

Yes it does come down to that i think those scenes do have a meaning : 1. is to show the reader that she does have feelings for Naruto and 2. if she doesn't do something about it she might lose him whether she's conscious about her feelings for him or not . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 May 2014 - 05:30 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

There is one problem with Sakura comparing her actions with Hinata's thinking that what Hinata did for him was more or better then anything she has done for him , if that was the case then why did Sakura criticized her actions and deem them as reckless she was mad at Hinata for doing that but she understands why and that is what the picture in her head of Naruto shows she was sad of the revelation that Hinata loves Naruto , it made her aware that someone else loves Naruto and she was not happy about it .

She didnt ended not being happy about it, she was sad because Hinata almost died because she loved Naruto, if anything might be probably the fact she loves a guy like Naruto.
For some reason i felt like 540 but the opposite, being sad out of jealous because Hinata loves a cool guy when she likes Sasuke.

If she was truly jealous about Naruto she would have realized it which is something that every tsundere does.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 May 2014 - 05:31 PM.

[narusaku256]

She didnt ended not being happy about it, she was sad because Hinata almost died because she loved Naruto, if anything might be probably the fact she loves a guy like Naruto.
For some reason i felt like 540 but the opposite, being sad out of jealous because Hinata loves a cool guy when she likes Sasuke.

If she was truly jealous about Naruto she would have realized it which is something that every tsundere does.

Can you elaborate this? She being sad about the fact that she almost DIED WHILE PROTECTING NARUTO?

And the reason she did not realise is the same as the '!' point I put up earlier. She did not even get time to think on that. As soon she healed Hinata and said her lines, Katsuyu announced that Naruto had defeated Pain and that reaction of hers got buried under this since, the next thing she thought of was aiding Naruto forgetting what happened before!

Edited by narusaku256, 04 May 2014 - 05:38 PM.

[Gojira]

oh goody someone else brought up 540 so nobody will point fingers at me talking about it since I'm not the one who brought it up

Still don't get that since her confession was honest and she is aware of the feelings she has for Naruto why was Sasuke the someone else she was referring to like she had confidence that their relationship would still work out. This is why I think it was either 2 things

1. Kishi wanted the context to be ambiguous but people misunderstood (same situation with the confession) according to translations of the raw though it wasn't made ambiguous (atleast I don't think)

or

2. Sakura was still confident in her relationship enough with Sasuke and it directly contradicts the confession being honest (either that or her failing to kill him has got he rto realize that she accepted that she still wanted to be with him) either way the point is its a step back for her character.

I think her reaction for Hinata loving Naruto was more of a realization than being empathetic or jealous. She realized that Hinata loves Naruto but her feelings about it are left ambiguous which is why she doesn't go deeper into the subject but since it was Sakura who had the realization it was implying that there was a little bit of romantic conflict subconscious or not) The 615 reaction is one I'm still a little iffy about since Kishi likes his shipping bait to be a bit more obvious (instead of just a panel of her reaction he would normally give us something else to imply she has an insecurity about it) That's why I think her face is directly reacting to either Hinata's words or the current crisis Naruto is in.

Edited by Pepsi, 04 May 2014 - 05:51 PM.

[FireFox]

She didnt ended not being happy about it, she was sad because Hinata almost died because she loved Naruto, if anything might be probably the fact she loves a guy like Naruto.
For some reason i felt like 540 but the opposite, being sad out of jealous because Hinata loves a cool guy when she likes Sasuke.

If she was truly jealous about Naruto she would have realized it which is something that every tsundere does.

Why would she be sad if Hinata loves a guy like Naruto ? And really if it was the opposite of 540 then a picture of Sasuke would have popped in her mind not Naruto or there would have been made some comparison between Hinata's love for Naruto and hers for Sasuke , sorry but this doesn't make any sense to me . Instead we have she thinking of Naruto and his smile to me this shows that she was sad about that someone else loves Naruto on a subconscious level  not that she was sad because Hinata almost died because she loves him ,  

 

She could still be sad about it and not realize it remember she was cut of right after her thought just like the scene with Sai when he said that she was being gentle with him and was about to tell her what that means and the Yamato one , and every tsundere as far as my knowledge goes doesn't realize her feelings in a instant or refuse to acknowledge her feelings for the guy they love , plus Kishi said that she can understand how she feels about Naruto and i think it takes a bigger moment then that imo.   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 May 2014 - 06:07 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Why would she be sad if she loves a guy like Naruto ? And really if it was the opposite of 540 then a picture of Sasuke would have popped in her mind not Naruto or there would have been some comparison between Hinata's love for Naruto and hers for Sasuke , sorry but this doesn't make any sense to me . Instead we have she thinking of Naruto and his smile to me this shows that she was sad about that someone else loves Naruto not that she was sad because Hinata almost died because she loves him ,

I dont know if you compare to the fact Hinata loves Naruto and it pops up Naruto smilling and then look at the trash she's in love with.
 

Can you elaborate this? She being sad about the fact that she almost DIED WHILE PROTECTING NARUTO?

While it might be something romantic it's sad obviosly the extent of her actions to a point of giving up her life to someome who might not feel the same for her it's sad.
If it was a mother-son/daughter or father/son or something related to family it's something honourable but to an infatuation i mean really?
Imagine if it was Sakura doing it to save Sasuke it would be sad anyway, or even that pathetic moment recently where Karin was putting her life at risk to save Sasuke and asspulling jutsus.
 

And the reason she did not realise is the same as the '!' point I put up earlier. She did not even get time to think on that. As soon she healed Hinata and said her lines, Katsuyu announced that Naruto had defeated Pain and that reaction of hers got buried under this since, the next thing she thought of was aiding Naruto forgetting what happened before!

I dont know about that scene and the interpretations about it but one thing i'm certain about, it gives brings no impact whatesover or conclusion.
It can be Neji, the handholding, the juubi, i dont know but it doesnt impact her neither the romance subplot.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 May 2014 - 06:06 PM.

[FireFox]

I dont know if you compare to the fact Hinata loves Naruto and it pops up Naruto smilling and then look at the trash she's in love with.
 

Like i said some form of comparison would have been made if that was the case you are basically pulling a moment out of nowhere , also you are forgetting how many times Kishi has showed that Sakura does have feelings for Naruto  subconsciously .

 

btw i edited my previous post sorry for that .

 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 04 May 2014 - 06:33 PM.

[narusaku256]

Well, I agree with NarutoFireFoxUzumaki here and sadly, Darkrerst I cannot take your logic. Your interpretation on Sakura's thoughts, I am sorry to state it so bluntly, make no sense, atleast to me. That sort of thought is pretty OOC for her. Yes, what Hinata did was surely reckless according to Sakura but this is certainly not the reason for it. We might agree to disagree here

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's a question:

People wonder if Naruto and Sakura can get together. We're off in a journey to see their chemistry and developments. Then, let's say, Sakura gets killed by Madara and never seen again. Would you truly call it "it didn't matter" to all moments we witnessed or would you say "it was made to be a sad story by the end"?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 04 May 2014 - 06:37 PM.

[narusaku256]

What do you mean by, 'say "It didn't matter" to all events'? I am sorry I did not get this part. Can you make it a bit simpler?

[TouKen4Life3g]

What I mean is that all the developments we gone through means nothing because well, Sakura died. Note: don't bring it up what you said yesterday. We already get the "twist".

Anyway, yeah, do you believe killing her off will make all developments beforehand into worthless or it was used to create a sad drama when it reach to this point?

[narusaku256]

It would be sad! I mean killing off a character after giving so much of character and pairing development just for twist's sake will be plain ridiculous!

If this really happens, I can't imagine the uproar its gonna cause XD

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm not gonna lie, if Sakura were permanently killed off I probably would lose all interest in the manga. It might sound petty, but it just wouldn't be the same without her. No to mention, Kishimoto has put so much effort into foreshadowing Naruto and Sakura's eventual romantic relationship with parallels and various hints that it would look inconsistent to end it by killing Sakura off just for a plot twist. Ugh, I don't even like thinking about the possibility, however small it may be.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 04 May 2014 - 09:37 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, you all against the idea of developments for a tragic end?

[luffyq1]

I'm not gonna lie, if Sakura were permanently killed off I probably would lose all interest in the manga. It might sound petty, but it just wouldn't be the same without her. No to mention, Kishimoto has put so much effort into foreshadowing Naruto and Sakura's eventual romantic with parallels and various hints that it would look inconsistent to end it by killing Sakura off just for a plot twist. Ugh, I don't even like thinking about the possibility, however small it may be.

The only reason I'm still interested in this manga is because of her, and plus I wanna see how this is gonna end since I invested over a decade of watching it.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Here's a question:

People wonder if Naruto and Sakura can get together. We're off in a journey to see their chemistry and developments. Then, let's say, Sakura gets killed by Madara and never seen again. Would you truly call it "it didn't matter" to all moments we witnessed or would you say "it was made to be a sad story by the end"?

It would be bad because if it was going to make it into a dramatic moment he would fail miserally, because srsly we barely get Naruto >> Sakura dramatic interations on this arc, he literally put her equal to Naruto's friends in various occasions (friendship combo, Rin parallel and etc...) if it was going to be like this then he would have to give way more emphasizement from Naruto's side not Sakura's also at the point of the manga, Naruto literally can heal everything he's basically god now.

He saved guy who was literally having his body being charred.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 04 May 2014 - 07:30 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

So, you all against the idea of developments for a tragic end?

 

Not in general. But for this manga a tragic end would go against what Kishimoto has set up. He's made it clear that Naruto will be the one to succeed where past generations have failed and he's included romantic relationships as part of that. If he killed Sakura off he wouldn't be following through with the story path that he's already set in motion; it would be inconsistent, like I said. But besides that, I just plain don't want Sakura to die because she's one of the few characters that makes the manga worthwhile at this point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

All I'm asking is if people are ok with the idea of killing a character in a relationship, after a period of time of developments, would be ok for the sake of well, whatever you're targeting at. Whether it will fail or not, the idea is that's what it made for.

I noticed a lot of people usually get heated up when a main character dies because we journeyed his/her adventure for so long, that we get mad if he/she dies. Though at times, if the story writes "this person will die" then well, expect it. But anyway, it would seem like people are ok if the developments weren't so large and didn't feel like a waste of time. For example, let's say you have a movie that these two are together or going to be but not a lot of developments on-screen, so when one of them dies, you'll be like "well that sucks." Now, if you focus a lot with those two, only to end one of them, you'll be like "well, that was pointless." Though some will get the feeling of "all of those developments happened because when the end comes, we all be crying!"

As of now, I am starting to see this argument and that's why I'm asking you folks. Honestly, the ok reception could be done if you have a runner-up in the making, so when one of them dies, it's like a lesson learn. No, NH isn't happening. I mean it could work, but not enough details to go pass enlightenment. So that's why I asked. Seems like no one in favor of that idea for possibly anywhere.