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[narusaku420]

well this chapter was satisfying , i can now rest easy for the break.

the same thing for me , I was worried about this chapter but now I feel reassured

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Oh alright , I understand. It must be nice to have four holidays in one week...

I have 5 days of holidays on one week.

Thursday - Friday - Monday - Tuedays - Wednesday.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 April 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[MangaReader]

Betting some BS claims will be made from the NH shippers about this latest chapter... lord knows it's already begun

[Atheck]

Betting some BS claims will be made from the NH shippers about this latest chapter... lord knows it's already begun

The GF board seems relatively stable presently but a large part of the reasoning for that can be attributed to the people there being more interested in the fights and techniques of the series instead of romantic character relationships. The bigger, more populated boards are no doubt acting insane at the moment due to everything that has been happening but like with anything we endure it and persist onward so that we may see what comes next. Heaven and Earth is probably one of the few stable sanctuaries for Sakura and NS fans alike which is what makes it so appealing IMO.

Edited by Atheck, 24 April 2013 - 04:42 AM.

[MangaReader]

The GF board seems relatively stable presently but a large part of the reasoning for that can be attributed to the people there being more interested in the fights and techniques of the series instead of romantic character relationships. The bigger, more populated boards are no doubt acting insane at the moment due to everything that has been happening but like with anything we endure it and persist onward so that we may see what comes next. Heaven and Earth is probably one of the few stable sanctuaries for Sakura and NS fans alike which is what makes it so appealing IMO.

Not to mention we put the story first and the pairing second...at least the more consist users do anyway. I think it one of the better forums because for the most part, it refuses to hate characters like other shippings

[FrenchMyToast]

So what's your guys' opinion on this apparent NH "moment" this chapter? A few NH fans were trying to say that Naruto said his line about being selfish with Hinata in mind. She was in the same panel, but it seems like more of a coincidence than anything. Honestly, I feel like they're being a bit lazy if they think this is an actual NH moment.

[Atheck]

So what's your guys' opinion on this apparent NH "moment" this chapter? A few NH fans were trying to say that Naruto said his line about being selfish with Hinata in mind. She was in the same panel, but it seems like more of a coincidence than anything. Honestly, I feel like they're being a bit lazy if they think this is an actual NH moment.

Is Shino related to this notion of selfishness then? If they are willing to theorize upon the significance of Hinata's placement in panels, coincidental or otherwise, then should we not factor in the severely underdeveloped bug user? Perhaps Naruto holds a special place in his heart for him even though their interactions are few and far between. There's a time for analysis and another for accepting things without much thought being required. It's similar to Dragonball fans coming up with all these insane formulas and calculations to create what they believe is an "accurate" power levels list for the cast or they're attempting to rationalize certain events in that manga even though Toriyama was not a mathematician. He made stuff up as he was going along.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So what's your guys' opinion on this apparent NH "moment" this chapter? A few NH fans were trying to say that Naruto said his line about being selfish with Hinata in mind. She was in the same panel, but it seems like more of a coincidence than anything. Honestly, I feel like they're being a bit lazy if they think this is an actual NH moment.

If I was in Bioshock Infinite world where there's a flying city, I will jump after that comment. Really, we got to find a way to make tidbit of NS out of the way? First of all, it is coincidence. Second, we are seeing all of his friends standings (most of them) so why not. Plus they don't get a reaction shot. Instead, it was others, let alone Sakura get two reaction shots. So yeah, whatever.

[Dkey]

So what's your guys' opinion on this apparent NH "moment" this chapter? A few NH fans were trying to say that Naruto said his line about being selfish with Hinata in mind. She was in the same panel, but it seems like more of a coincidence than anything. Honestly, I feel like they're being a bit lazy if they think this is an actual NH moment.

Of course he had Hinata in his mind. She with his other friends. Even when Naruto talked about his friends when he met his mother both Hinata and Sakura were in the friend flashback.

If that catalogs itself as a NH moment for them good for them.

[Sojobo]

Of course he had Hinata in his mind. She with his other friends. Even when Naruto talked about his friends when he met his mother both Hinata and Sakura were in the friend flashback.

If that catalogs itself as a NH moment for them good for them.

Oh please... I will talk as a NS (even if I've always been confident, the guys who read me on this forum can confirm this), but to me those NH fans or wathever you call them (you can call them Hinata fans too) are just falling in Kishimoto's trap. To me, what Kishi showed between Naruto and Hinata is just Hinata's developpement, and a big troll for pairing stuff.
Of course he knows that NH is popular so he tries to show some more moments between those two, but if he wanted to do a NH pairing, the developpement during the whole manga would be different.

As an author, you don't create ambiguity with a girl (Sakura) already in love with someone (Sasuke), for another guy (Naruto), if your main idea is SasuSaku.
Same goes for NH, you don't create strong feelings for your hero towards the girl of his dreams, and don't develop any romantic feelings, or ambiguity during the manga for the gril who's in love with him, if your main idea is NaruHina.

Even now, Naruto didn't give a romantic answer yet towards Hinata, weird, isn't it? I said even now, because the holding hand part can be interpretated as romantic.
It's funny how people fall so easily in Kishi's trap, they only see what Kishi shows recently, and just forget about what he began in the past...
And this is too important to deny. I mean, Yamato's speech, if this panel was done for good, I would understand NH fans, but it's not because THERE IS NO ANSWER YET ABOUT THIS SCENE.
Why stop this scene when Yamato try to say that Sakura's in love with Naruto (even if his answer was cut, we know it was that he wanted to say) if it has no importance? Why waiting so long to finish it?
NH fans said to me that Yamato was wrong and that he prove that during Sakura's confession to Naruto. (ya know, his surprised face when Sakura said that she loves Naruto)
This is again bullsh**, because first all, if he was wrong, this would be a big incoherence in the manga. If the character is wrong, you give him an explanation first. Yamato didn't give one, he never told that he was wrong about Sakura's feelings for Naruto.
So, there is some illogical stuff if we think that he was wrong. Why was he suprised? It's just to show some comic faces during a romantic event, nothing more...

I'm tired of people who're saying that Sai doesn't know anything about feelings. He's probrably the only guy who saw through Naruto and Sakura's pain.
He understood that Naruto is REALLY in love with Sakura, and he also said the same thing for Sakura towards Sasuke.
The last part, that part, SS fans and NH fans believe it at 1000%. But why don't believe the other stuff taht it said?
That Naruto is MADLY in love with Sakura, that Sakura is extremely gentle to Naruto, but that Sai doesn't understand those feelings.
Why just forget about this information? I guess it's because it's extremely annoying for NH/SS pairings, especially now, when they all think it's canon.

What we saw yesterday is the beginning of Sakura's last developpement. Of course, there will be SasuSaku moments (I think), in my point of view, it's needed to make an end about this love triangle.
Sakura has to go trough Sasuke before a NaruSaku can be canon.
When she will start to realize her feelings for Naruto, because it's what Yamato and Kishimoto are trying to say this whole time trough the manga and the Databook, she will face Sasuke, to make a final decision.

It's not for nothing that Kishimoto keeps Karin's love for Sasuke. If he wanted a SS, he woud have destroyed her love for him, like SS fans thought after Danzou's fight, to make place for Sakura. But he didn't, he just kept Karin in love with Sasuke, he even made her an Uzumaki recently.
SS fans can't stop to believe in Suigetsu/Karin pairing, wich is really absurd. Karin is just annoying (again) for their SasuSaku pairing, so they just want to find Karin another partner than Sasuke.
I find this really pathetic, same goes for NH fans that don't like SS (it exist), they put Sakura with Rock Lee!! O__O




Anyway, the Juubi's Tenben Chii is probably a good opportunity to give screentime to Sakura/Naruto relationship.
I don't think drawing Sakura in this chapter was fanservice or just a simple panel to show her. No, it shows that she is the only one who noticed that Naruto wound't stand long in this situation, and that she probably will have something in mind to protect him. I can be wrong, but that's what I believe right now...
Hinata was the mental help for Naruto, Sakura will be the physical one I guess.
I can imagine something like Uniqlo's OVA, but I think it's Sakura who will get hurted in Naruto's place.
Maybe it's my wish to see her being hurt in Naruto's place, because I don't want her to cry again for him without doing a thing.


And about Sasuke... don't jump into conclusions. He only did say he will not let his brother and the village perish like some afterthought.
This can mean anything!

If Naruto/Sasuke's battle is planned at the end of the manga by Kishimoto, if Itachi think that Naruto is the only one who can save him, and that he trust him at 100% for this, I don't think that Sasuke has the intention to join Naruto once and for all. Same goes for Orochimaru, he doesn't care about this war, and he just followed without any explanations to Sarutobi. (pretty weird to me)

I really don't believe in Sasuke not being the final vilain anymore.

[FrenchMyToast]

Of course he had Hinata in his mind. She with his other friends. Even when Naruto talked about his friends when he met his mother both Hinata and Sakura were in the friend flashback.

If that catalogs itself as a NH moment for them good for them.

I didn't mean he was just thinking about Hinata as a friend like everyone else. Some people were saying he was taking words from her confession and using them here. They called that a NH "moment." Of course he was thinking about his friends as a whole. It was a speech about them after all.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I didn't mean he was just thinking about Hinata as a friend like everyone else. Some people were saying he was taking words from her confession and using them here. They called that a NH "moment." Of course he was thinking about his friends as a whole. It was a speech about them after all.

Of course Hinata is different to him. Yes she is his friend but she loves him. Not all of his friends tried to give their lives for his 2 times. Does that means he loves her? Nope.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I didn't mean he was just thinking about Hinata as a friend like everyone else. Some people were saying he was taking words from her confession and using them here. They called that a NH "moment." Of course he was thinking about his friends as a whole. It was a speech about them after all.

I think his comment was sarcasm but I could be wrong. Anyway, that's stupid because that's like saying "I own this word, can't use it unless you and I are linked." Actually, Naruto and Sakura are more linked when it comes to saying/thinking the same thing. Even the movie did the same. Oh well, if they have the need to tarnish NS, then by all means.

[MangaReader]

I think his comment was sarcasm but I could be wrong. Anyway, that's stupid because that's like saying "I own this word, can't use it unless you and I are linked." Actually, Naruto and Sakura are more linked when it comes to saying/thinking the same thing. Even the movie did the same. Oh well, if they have the need to tarnish NS, then by all means.

For a guy who started off with basically no friends whatsoever...I think he was speaking the truth, he doesn't want to lose them. He might accept that it can happen, but he'll do whatever it takes to keep them safe at all times. But those the fans who believe he strictly was taking Hinata's speech, they clearly aren't reading it properly, Hinata was only talking about one specific person and herself, while Naruto disregards his own life for the safety of everyone he knows who's there fighting with him...so tarnish isn't the right word, it's more like destroy his entire character for the sake of making a pairing argument.

[TouKen4Life3g]

For a guy who started off with basically no friends whatsoever...I think he was speaking the truth, he doesn't want to lose them. He might accept that it can happen, but he'll do whatever it takes to keep them safe at all times. But those the fans who believe he strictly was taking Hinata's speech, they clearly aren't reading it properly, Hinata was only talking about one specific person and herself, while Naruto disregards his own life for the safety of everyone he knows who's there fighting with him...so tarnish isn't the right word, it's more like destroy his entire character for the sake of making a pairing argument.

This.

That's what he was saying to Obito, which is why Kakashi keeps thinking why Obito keeps asking him this stuff. Obito once had this, so yeah, what is it he seeks.

[Chatte]

I think I said it before, though I don't remember where if here on @NF.
That selfish part, I feel it like a subtle thing from Kishi showing us that Hinata's love for Naruto is the same way he said about Sakura's love for Sasuke: selfish.
But he did it in a more subtle way. And it's funny how he put Hinata and Naruto there and, afterwards, we have Sakura saying Shannaro with that smiley face. Showing us, in a no-words way, that compared to Hinata's love, Sakura's one is different.
Dunno, that's my take. Granted, I could be wrong.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think I said it before, though I don't remember where if here on @NF.
That selfish part, I feel it like a subtle thing from Kishi showing us that Hinata's love for Naruto is the same way he said about Sakura's love for Sasuke: selfish.
But he did it in a more subtle way. And it's funny how he put Hinata and Naruto there and, afterwards, we have Sakura saying Shannaro with that smiley face. Showing us, in a no-words way, that compared to Hinata's love, Sakura's one is different.
Dunno, that's my take. Granted, I could be wrong.

I still find it funny how Sakura got two reaction panels, one with others and then her alone. But that's just me.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 24 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[Chatte]

I still find it funny how Sakura got two reaction panels, one with others and then her alone. But that's just me.

I'll just copy what I said on the 628 chapter thread. About the selfishness and selfless part regarding Hinata and Sakura.
The difference in the love Sakura has for Naruto and Hinata has for Naruto (regarding the speeches and so)


That's why I was saying, if Sakura reappeared and already started having doubts, there's definitely something wrong. And then, after I re-read the chapter, I noticed how Naruto still acts the way he always does. and imagine since Kakashi said to him that he'll leave him in charge now, Naruto will probably feel even more and more responsible and will want people to not die as long as they are under his command. Something like what happened to Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc, only that now, the one to learn his lesson will be Naruto and the one teaching this lesson to him will be Sakura, just like Temari told Shikamaru that he has to grow-up, this is the ninja life they're leading and such events will always happen. Change Temari and Shikamaru and Naruto and Sakura and voila!
In a way, I have to admit, I am glad Naruto is still the same and that Hinata's words had gone through him because now people will see who is the one that truly understands Naruto. Not to be mean towards Hinata, she was a great support, however, she doesn't get to Naruto the same way Sakura does, though NH fans try to say she does. Nope, sorry to call it. This is where Hinata's understanding over Naruto ends.
Also, the fact that she doesn't get also something about him, in comparison with Sakura. SHe was all like, continue fighting and protect your friends because you don't give up, that's our ninja way, yadda yadda, but not saying anything about 'let your friends help you'. Because, once again, as in Pein Arc, she doesn't get Naruto, she doesn't get to that part of his where Sakura does. Hinata pushed him forward because that's their ninja way without thinking at the consequences her encouragement might have.
Whereas, in comparison, Sakura already sees those consequences and immediately starts thinking about them and about how 'his ninja way' is potentially harming him.
And also, a nice thing. When Hinata was giving Naruto the speech, Kurama was like, why are you a little woos and whine around? Stand-up on your two feet. The same way Sakura would do. Totally different to the way Hinata approached Naruto, whereas when Sakura appears, her and Kurama are thinking exactly the same. Kishi is definitely telling us something, subtly.
Another thing about Hinata's speech. She said how "Naruto's words to protect his friends are not a lie". True. However, she said that the words and feelings are connected, or something along the line and to stand-up together. But the most important thing that she forgot to mention was how his friends are there to support him too! She was all like "Let's stand up together" [as in her and Naruto]. While Naruto was still thinking at his friends and how he wasn't able to protect them. Hinata was all about her and Naruto, while, Kurama entered and said that he needs to remind that he is there too. Kurama was the one who reminded Naruto that there are a lot of friends who protected him, that he has his friends that will support him, no matter what.
Hinata's speech was all about how she, solely, is going to raise together with him, not taking into consideration his worries, because, well, she doesn't know them, it was a centric speech connected with her speech in 573, contrary to Kurama's one who reminded him about his friends and others that will be there for him or were, that, funny or not coincides with Sakura's speech in 573 that says how she together with the rest will be there to support him.
Once again, a big difference between the two of them and the subtle differences in importance Kishi makes between Sakura and Hinata.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'll just copy what I said on the 628 chapter thread. About the selfishness and selfless part regarding Hinata and Sakura.
The difference in the love Sakura has for Naruto and Hinata has for Naruto (regarding the speeches and so)


That's why I was saying, if Sakura reappeared and already started having doubts, there's definitely something wrong. And then, after I re-read the chapter, I noticed how Naruto still acts the way he always does. and imagine since Kakashi said to him that he'll leave him in charge now, Naruto will probably feel even more and more responsible and will want people to not die as long as they are under his command. Something like what happened to Shikamaru in Sasuke retrieval arc, only that now, the one to learn his lesson will be Naruto and the one teaching this lesson to him will be Sakura, just like Temari told Shikamaru that he has to grow-up, this is the ninja life they're leading and such events will always happen. Change Temari and Shikamaru and Naruto and Sakura and voila!
In a way, I have to admit, I am glad Naruto is still the same and that Hinata's words had gone through him because now people will see who is the one that truly understands Naruto. Not to be mean towards Hinata, she was a great support, however, she doesn't get to Naruto the same way Sakura does, though NH fans try to say she does. Nope, sorry to call it. This is where Hinata's understanding over Naruto ends.
Also, the fact that she doesn't get also something about him, in comparison with Sakura. SHe was all like, continue fighting and protect your friends because you don't give up, that's our ninja way, yadda yadda, but not saying anything about 'let your friends help you'. Because, once again, as in Pein Arc, she doesn't get Naruto, she doesn't get to that part of his where Sakura does. Hinata pushed him forward because that's their ninja way without thinking at the consequences her encouragement might have.
Whereas, in comparison, Sakura already sees those consequences and immediately starts thinking about them and about how 'his ninja way' is potentially harming him.
And also, a nice thing. When Hinata was giving Naruto the speech, Kurama was like, why are you a little woos and whine around? Stand-up on your two feet. The same way Sakura would do. Totally different to the way Hinata approached Naruto, whereas when Sakura appears, her and Kurama are thinking exactly the same. Kishi is definitely telling us something, subtly.
Another thing about Hinata's speech. She said how "Naruto's words to protect his friends are not a lie". True. However, she said that the words and feelings are connected, or something along the line and to stand-up together. But the most important thing that she forgot to mention was how his friends are there to support him too! She was all like "Let's stand up together" [as in her and Naruto]. While Naruto was still thinking at his friends and how he wasn't able to protect them. Hinata was all about her and Naruto, while, Kurama entered and said that he needs to remind that he is there too. Kurama was the one who reminded Naruto that there are a lot of friends who protected him, that he has his friends that will support him, no matter what.
Hinata's speech was all about how she, solely, is going to raise together with him, not taking into consideration his worries, because, well, she doesn't know them, it was a centric speech connected with her speech in 573, contrary to Kurama's one who reminded him about his friends and others that will be there for him or were, that, funny or not coincides with Sakura's speech in 573 that says how she together with the rest will be there to support him.
Once again, a big difference between the two of them and the subtle differences in importance Kishi makes between Sakura and Hinata.

Nicely said. Well done.

Btw, I think you guys should check RtN thread for something...funny. The movie is not out yet, but rather a new info. I give you a hint: crack pairing in AU! means?

[Chatte]

Nicely said. Well done.

Btw, I think you guys should check RtN thread for something...funny. The movie is not out yet, but rather a new info. I give you a hint: crack pairing in AU! means?

Thanks!
Checked it out, lol you guys!