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[Nar123]

 
 
And nowhere in the manga is it said that Sakura posesses any kind of elemental potential.  

Young kakashi is def parallel to Sasuke, and most ninjas have some kind of elemental power; Sakura's revealed in the databook

Edited by Nar123, 19 April 2015 - 03:48 AM.

[Shadow1275]

Young kakashi is def parallalel to Sasuke, and most ninjas have some kind of elemental power; Sakura's revealed in the databook

So than why no water style jutsu? She has no aptitude for it. period

 

As for Kakashi I don't really see him a strong parallel to Sasuke at all really. Kakashi was still civil to his teammates and polite. He just considered them expendable. Sasuke was the opposite. He hated his teammates but keep in mind that he "volunteered" to give Naruto food and jumped in front of a bunch of needles to save them.

 

But you're entitled to your opinion of course

[Nar123]

So than why no water style jutsu? She has no aptitude for it. period
 
As for Kakashi I don't really see him a strong parallel to Sasuke at all really. Kakashi was still civil to his teammates and polite. He just considered them expendable. Sasuke was the opposite. He hated his teammates but keep in mind that he "volunteered" to give Naruto food and jumped in front of a bunch of needles to save them.
 
But you're entitled to your opinion of course

Bc kishi didnt bother develop her beyond punch + heal
but her elemental potential is there

And Sasuke might have been bothered by them but he didnt hate his teammates

[LuckyChi7]

In the Shounen Crossover Dimension 

 

Strawhat Luffy notices a dimension opening in front of him as his former companion Naruto Uzumaki (Pre-Chapter 700) appear before him. 

 

Luffy: "It's been a long time Naruto, how has retirement been?" 

 

Naruto: "I've been working on a few kinks with Goku since November, but I'll be back for about a few months. SO I figured we'd compete against one another like the good old days."

 

Luffy: "Yeah... About that my friend.."

 

Naruto: "What is it, Luffy?"

 

Luffy: "Gear Fourth."

 

Naruto: "Huh??? please tell me you're joking"  

 

Luffy: "Nope." 

 

Naruto: "I'm screwed now aren't I?" 

 

Luffy chuckles in a cocky tone. 

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

I keep hearing people calling "The Last" like a Disney movie.... Say what you want about Walt Disney but I bet he would make hate this movie and would make NaruSaku canon if he made Naruto.  

Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 19 April 2015 - 04:18 AM.

[LuckyChi7]

I keep hearing people calling "The Last" like a Disney movie.... Say what you want about Walt Disney but I bet he would make hate this movie and would make NaruSaku canon if he made Naruto.  

 

 

Elsa, Anna, Rapunzel, Jasmine, Ariel, etc would defintely be insulted by this in terms of them being princesses (Yes I know Elsa is queen).  

[luffyq1]

In the Shounen Crossover Dimension 

 

Strawhat Luffy notices a dimension opening in front of him as his former companion Naruto Uzumaki (Pre-Chapter 700) appear before him. 

 

Luffy: "It's been a long time Naruto, how has retirement been?" 

 

Naruto: "I've been working on a few kinks with Goku since November, but I'll be back for about a few months. SO I figured we'd compete against one another like the good old days."

 

Luffy: "Yeah... About that my friend.."

 

Naruto: "What is it, Luffy?"

 

Luffy: "Gear Fourth."

 

Naruto: "Huh??? please tell me you're joking"  

 

Luffy: "Nope." 

 

Naruto: "I'm screwed now aren't I?" 

 

Luffy chuckles in a cocky tone. 

[rocci]

@shadow
Every ninja has potential to use elemental ninjutsu.
Sakura is capable to learn because she is smart/bookworm , has perfect chakra control, and good handseal.
Just like nar123 said, kishi never bother to develop sakura fighting style beyond punch and heal. I mean not even her genjutsu potential which is clear from part 1 getting touch.
And sakura learn elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu will make her useful.

Kakashi is sasuke parallel because both is the cool guy who act like a jerk, loved by the girl and rival to the fool.
Parallel =/= copy paste.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

 

 

Elsa, Anna, Rapunzel, Jasmine, Ariel, etc would defintely be insulted by this in terms of them being princesses (Yes I know Elsa is queen).  

I would love to see their interactions with Hinata. 

[EmperorZeo]

You know I just rememred how much I hate what happened with DBZ. I think I've been more forgiving with Toriyama then I have been with Kishi. The way he hyped up Gohan's hidden power for years and seemed to deliver with Cell Games, only to throw it all away. The way he was depicted in the latest special manga chapters is particularly aggravating. As if that potential never existed.

At least Toriyama admitted that he considers the end of the Cell Games to be the true ending. So that's something.

Edited by EmperorZeo, 19 April 2015 - 04:55 AM.

[rocci]

If I'm not mistaken, toriyama want to end db in freiza arc.

[Shadow1275]

 

Bc kishi didnt bother develop her beyond punch + heal
but her elemental potential is there

And Sasuke might have been bothered by them but he didnt hate his teammates

No it's not. if it was she would have used it. Sure ninja have certain affinities but that doesn't mean they can do elemental jutsu. For example the manga mentions how the Uchiha have a lot of talent with fire jutsu, hence they can use more powerful techniques such as the great flame devastation. Sakura's affinity may be water but that doesn't mean she can use that jutsu. How come she never does in the first place.

 

 

Preaching to the choir. I said in my post that Kakashi viewed his team as expendable. Sasuke was cold but he still stuck up for his teammates. Naruto on the other hand abandoned them and tried to eat their lunchboxes. Sasuke offered his own to Naruto. 

 

@shadow
Every ninja has potential to use elemental ninjutsu.
Sakura is capable to learn because she is smart/bookworm , has perfect chakra control, and good handseal.
Just like nar123 said, kishi never bother to develop sakura fighting style beyond punch and heal. I mean not even her genjutsu potential which is clear from part 1 getting touch.
And sakura learn elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu will make her useful.

Kakashi is sasuke parallel because both is the cool guy who act like a jerk, loved by the girl and rival to the fool.
Parallel =/= copy paste.

First part is explained. Each ninja has a different amount of aptitude with their elements. Just because a ninja has an affinity does not mean they are genetically skilled enough to use it. And I again question her genjutsu skill. she loses to every single genjutsu she goes up against. (Except Kabuto's feather jutsu but I don't remember.)

 

Saying that sasuke and Kakashi are parallels because they are cool guys who act like jerks (Kakashi doesn't act like a jerk, he is always polite.) loved by the girl and rival to the fool is a bit shallow. There are a lot of these types in the series. KAkashi and guy, Neji and Rock Lee. etc.

 

Look deeper. I've already given different reasons why. 

 

Kakashi: Polite, considers his allies expendable, doesn't pursue the girl bc he feels guilty and he doesn't deserve her, believes in friendship and teamwork, bonds, remains in konoha, doesn't get the girl

 

Naruto: Caring, would betray his allies at first (bells test), doesn't pursue the girl bc he feels guilty and he doesn't deserve her, believes in friendship and teamwork, bonds, remains in konoha, doesn't get the girl

 

Obito: Doesn't consider his allies to be expendable, uchiha, goes crazy after he loses someone close to him, turns evil, tries to destroy world order, redeems self in the end, gets the girl.

 

Sasuke: Doesn't consider allies to be expendable, uchiha, goes crazy after he loses someone close to him, turns evil, tries to destroy world order, "redeemed", gets the girl

 

 

Might I remind you that the ones who actually get the "Sakura" are Obito and Sasuke

[trang95]

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[rocci]

@shadow
You don't need to have genetically skilled to learn elemental ninjutsu, because it's not a kekkei genkai. You only need to learn it.
Sakura only need someone to show her what is her elemental and teach her the hand seal of an elemental ninjutsu according to her affinity.
Genjutsu sharingan is strong. And sakura is fail against it. And how many ninja out there who could cancel sharingan genjutsu that doesn't have sharingan himself or perfect jinchuriki.

Kakashi is sarcastic to the point of rude.
Obito is naruto uchiha. Obito the closest naruto clone among all of his parallel.
Obirin is not canon.

All good thing from kakashi is thanks to obito tnj and his sharingan.

I will talk again about naru sasu and kaka obi parallel, since I see you don't do it right.

[Yyubie]

So who else agrees with me that these two pages can signify the ending of the manga on a great note for us: 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I swear if someone ends up getting me Volume 48 I'll rip chapters the rest of chapter 450 after this page, and 451-453. That's a vow I'm willing to make, and Tbh I'll takes those papers and toss them in the shredder.

Totally agree with you this is the best scene for ending rather than you know who vampire graveyard wedding in that movie.

 

Milk so hard that they'll even milk something nobody was even interested in anymore

I think I'm in love

This manga reminds me of Resident Evil games they change it from Survival Horror genre to War Action genre. They have their own style and that whats make the game great but instead they try to copy call of duty and battlefield with Resident Evil 6 and try to copy Left 4 Dead in Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City. Now SP /Kikitten trying to copy another manga are they running out of idea? Im starting to think japanese is not as smart as i used to think.

 

 

 

yet the guy has to nerve to act like a fan of dbz while he ignores the fact bulma moved on from yamcha to vegeta, yet sakura can't move from sasuke to naruto? 

I think they just write their own fantasy while they masturbate. Getting s*x with hinata all that stuff.

 

You know it's true. Kakashi was a terrible teacher. A great character, but a god awful teacher.

Totally this.

 

The only person he actually trained was Sasuke. He didn't do jack kitten for Naruto or Sakura. And before people bring up the RS training, he only told Naruto how the shadow clones work and what Naruto's chakra nature was. Asuma taught Naruto more than Kakashi did during that.

Kakashi played favorites and completely ignored Naruto and Sakura.

Agreed. As teacher his not fair to all of his student. You know as parent if you not give same amount of love to your child that can cause hate among them.

 

@shadow
Every ninja has potential to use elemental ninjutsu.
Sakura is capable to learn because she is smart/bookworm , has perfect chakra control, and good handseal.
Just like nar123 said, kishi never bother to develop sakura fighting style beyond punch and heal. I mean not even her genjutsu potential which is clear from part 1 getting touch.
And sakura learn elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu will make her useful.

Kakashi is sasuke parallel because both is the cool guy who act like a jerk, loved by the girl and rival to the fool.
Parallel =/= copy paste.

Remember kakashi conversation with jiraya after naruto and sasuke fight on hospital rooft. He said naruto is not ready to learn rasengan because he is too young and he can accidently kill his comrade. But he teach sasuke chidori knowing that he is resemble him and he has alot of hatred inside him. So he thinks teaching sasuke chidor at that age is no problem at all knowing that he has cursed seal and darkness + revenge inside him?? Kakashi is just playing favorite. He can use genjutsu on sakura when they do survival training to get the bell, and yet he just teach her how to dispell it not how to use it. He knows how to do rasengan but he choose not to teach naruto because he is too young and he can accidently kill his comrade. Kakashi is worst teacher.

 

And in the end the one who almost killed his comrade is sasuke. Ironic isnt it? Kakashi say naruto too young and might kill his comrade if he teach him rasengan and yet sasuke is the one who stab naruto with chidori.

[Shadow1275]

@shadow
You don't need to have genetically skilled to learn elemental ninjutsu, because it's not a kekkei genkai. You only need to learn it.
Sakura only need someone to show her what is her elemental and teach her the hand seal of an elemental ninjutsu according to her affinity.
Genjutsu sharingan is strong. And sakura is fail against it. And how many ninja out there who could cancel sharingan genjutsu that doesn't have sharingan himself or perfect jinchuriki.

Kakashi is sarcastic to the point of rude.
Obito is naruto uchiha. Obito the closest naruto clone among all of his parallel.
Obirin is not canon.

All good thing from kakashi is thanks to obito tnj and his sharingan.

I will talk again about naru sasu and kaka obi parallel, since I see you don't do it right.

Ha, the last 3 posts you've made have simply been you saying that I am wrong without any evidence. I've already shown why just bc Sakura has a water affinity doesn't mean she can still do jutsu. Affinites don't translate to talent. The Uchiha can do more advanced fire jutsu because of their talent with fire. 

 

 

And I have pointed out why obito and Naruto/Kakashi and Sasuke is a weak parallel and why Naruto/Kakashi makes much more sense.

 

 

Just bc you state I am wrong does not mean that you are at all correct. I'm done here. You're not worth my time

[CrimsonHairedLover]

you're entitled to your opinion of course. But who does Sasuke represent more? The guy who believes in teamwork, thinks he doesn't deserve the "Sakura" of the team, and stays loyal to his village and believes in bonds. Or the crazy Uchiha Lunatic who lost someone he was close to, went bat-kitten crazy, but then redeemed himself "controversially" in the end.

 

 

And nowhere in the manga is it said that Sakura posesses any kind of elemental potential.  

You know what? I kind of agree with you. At first I thought that obito and naruto were very similar, same with kakashi and sasuke. But the more I look at all 4 characters, the more I don't see the Obito/Naruto and Kakashi/Sasuke parallel. They're just not that alike in the long run.

 

Though I think you're giving Kakashi a bit too much credit as a mentor though

[Shadow1275]

You know what? I kind of agree with you. At first I thought that obito and naruto were very similar, same with kakashi and sasuke. But the more I look at all 4 characters, the more I don't see the Obito/Naruto and Kakashi/Sasuke parallel. They're just not that alike in the long run.

 

Though I think you're giving Kakashi a bit too much credit as a mentor though

Long time no see. And I'm glad to see there is someone else here who looks a bit deeper into things as well. And who also happens to be a KakaRin fan

 

Bolded: It's Kakashi, there is no such thing as too much credit

[ThroughWithLove]

This'll be my last post on the matter of Kakashi. I'm not really in this to change anyone's opinion there are valid points on both sides of the scale. 

 

It's easy to think of Kakashi focusing on Sasuke, but really, he had waaay more reason to focus on Naruto: Naruto was his sensei's son. Kakashi knows, more than anyone else in the village, that it should be him to teach him. After all, he's the only living one from Minato's team. Yet none of this every factors into his story. I blame Kishimoto for this.

 

I don't see this as much as everyone else does. Naruto started from the bottom with no-one but he had a ton of support as the series went on. Iruka, Lord Third, Inari and his grandfather, Sakura, Kakashi, Sasuke, Konohamaru, Gaara, Jiraiya etc.

 

Sasuke just had Sakura, Naruto, and Kakashi. Even then the only person Sasuke ever respected in the beginning was Kakashi. Which is why Kakashi tried to capitalize on this and say that they were the same. He knew that Sasuke was tempted by Orochimaru and everything he did was to sway Sasuke away from that path.

 

But Naruto was different. Naruto had all these pillars to lean on. Sasuke had much much less, granted bc he didn't care about anything else except for power but the only two who he really respected were Kakashi and later Naruto. And with all of the above considered as a teacher do you spend more time with someone who you think has mastered the material or with a remedial student who is borderline failing.

 

I wish Kakashi showed more overt development over the series. He actually didn't seem to like any of his team when the series started. And according to Iruka or Hiruzen (can't remember which), Kakashi had never passed a team before. So the fact that he passed Team 7 made them different. 

 

Agreed. I don't think he liked Sakura or Sasuke that much. As for Naruto I believe he liked Naruto but he had high expectations bc of who Naruto's father was. Of course Naruto failed them in the beginning. But imo we have to take Kakashi's aloof behavior with a grain of salt, in part bc Kishi couldn't reveal that Minato was Naruto's father until the Pain arc. I'll say one thing though, KAkashi could have taught Naruto the Rasengan but then if he did that robs from Jiraiya's spotlight

 

But in the end, as with everything else in the series, I was disappointed that Kakashi's story didn't have a more definitive resolution. He exhibits no pleasure in accepting the role of Kage, other than he's doing it for Obito. And there's no big acknowledgement of Sakura, Naruto or Team 7 to speak of. I suppose he stood up for Sakura when she was crying in front of Naruto, but that whole thing was such a hot mess, it doesn't feel like anything other than an in-the-moment speech. 

 

Personally though the Kakashi fan in me likes that he became hokage the common sense in me says that he really shouldn't have been. Or that Tsunade should have died and then Kakashi would have taken over and then after the war hand it over to Naruto bc he is the clear choice. I have to disagree with the acknowledgement bit though. Emotional support: KAkashi was always there for Sakura. He promised "That everything will be like before" towards the end of part 1, beginning of part 2 acknowledged her new found powers, among other already discussed examples. Training was weak, but let's consider that Sakura didn't really aspire to be great until part 2. By then she had learned all she could, there was nothing he could teach her. And Kakashi has always had her back in battle.

 

In part 1 Kakashi did focus on Sasuke, but Naruto had plenty of support from others. Kakashi taught him teamwork, chakra control, etc. and in part 2 he taught him how to multiply xp, elements, and refill chakra. Techniques that he used throughout the rest of the series. But as for team 7 Kakashi has always espoused teamwork. And for big acknowledgement there was an entire chapter named "I like you."

 

But he also doesn't seem bothered by the fact that two of his students found another 'master' instead of him, and Sasuke never saw him as such. Naruto and Sakura had masters in Jiraiya and Tsunade. But Sasuke never considered Kakashi his master. And Kakashi never seemed to expect it. I think if Sasuke ever had a master it would have been Orochimaru.

 

How can he compare to the Sannin? I don't think he reaches their level until he starts to master the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

Interesting point you make here and I agree. Ppl say all the time that Sasuke and Kakashi are parallels but imo this is not true. In fact I see Naruto as a much closer parallel to Kakashi. I don't think that Kakashi expected Sasuke to see him as a mentor but I do think that he thought they were making progress and imo had the sound 4 not intervened when they did I think Sasuke wouldn't have gone to Orochimaru. It looked like Kakashi was getting through.

 

 

This is the real parallel that makes sense imo

 

NO! ALL PARALLELS ARE RED HERRINGS!

[CrimsonHairedLover]

Long time no see. And I'm glad to see there is someone else here who looks a bit deeper into things as well. And who also happens to be a KakaRin fan

 

Bolded: It's Kakashi, there is no such thing as too much credit

I've been busy with college stuffs and tbh the forums been kind of dead. But its good to be back.

 

Did you miss me?

 

NO! ALL PARALLELS ARE RED HERRINGS