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[luffyq1]

Kakashi and Sakura really didn't interact interact until the war. They seemed more closer during the Kaguya Arc too, and no, that's not the KakaSaku shipper in me speaking, that's just me actually noticing a new development between them.

kishi was teasing the hell out of that. i think that was his guilty pleasure.

[Swagkura]

kishi was teasing the hell out of that. i think that was his guilty pleasure.

Lmao, I bet it was. I remember getting moments between those two almost every chapter. Good times

[LuckyChi7]

I actually thought Kurama's was believable enough for me. Kishi had already been building up their relationship and Kurama's change of heart since Part I. And ever since Naruto defeated him, Kishi had been gradually showing more of their relationship. Not to mention Kurama isn't the kind of guy to be swayed by words, but through actions. Naruto proved that.

As for the rest, I agree.

Tbh I feel the same actually. I'd be lying if I said I don't read anything from Naruto these days. I'll ocassionaly reread part 1-first half of part 2 and my favorite parts from the war. More so those revolving around Obito, and the Kurama chapters.

However I will without a doubt say Kurama and Naruto's relationship was the one that was greatly handled when it came the series.

[AHK]

So, I like Kakashi. A lot. Even with all his flaws. That's the mark of a good character that you still like them, warts and all. 
 
It's easy to think of Kakashi focusing on Sasuke, but really, he had waaay more reason to focus on Naruto: Naruto was his sensei's son. Kakashi knows, more than anyone else in the village, that it should be him to teach him. After all, he's the only living one from Minato's team. Yet none of this every factors into his story. I blame Kishimoto for this.
 
I wish Kakashi showed more overt development over the series. He actually didn't seem to like any of his team when the series started. And according to Iruka or Hiruzen (can't remember which), Kakashi had never passed a team before. So the fact that he passed Team 7 made them different. 
 
I enjoyed seeing Kakashi change and grow to accept Naruto (there's a cute scene in Ichiraku's where he say's he is really growing to like Naruto a lot, and Naruto acts all grossed out), and I was pleased to see him take Sakura's burden. Both of those show an evolution of character. 
 
But in the end, as with everything else in the series, I was disappointed that Kakashi's story didn't have a more definitive resolution. He exhibits no pleasure in accepting the role of Kage, other than he's doing it for Obito. And there's no big acknowledgement of Sakura, Naruto or Team 7 to speak of. I suppose he stood up for Sakura when she was crying in front of Naruto, but that whole thing was such a hot mess, it doesn't feel like anything other than an in-the-moment speech. 
 
Kakashi does seem fine with letting Jiraiya teach Naruto and Tsunade teach Sakura. He was even a little competitive with Jiraiya, from the tone of their conversation after the hospital roof fight.
 
But he also doesn't seem bothered by the fact that two of his students found another 'master' instead of him, and Sasuke never saw him as such. Naruto and Sakura had masters in Jiraiya and Tsunade. But Sasuke never considered Kakashi his master. And Kakashi never seemed to expect it. I think if Sasuke ever had a master it would have been Orochimaru.
 
Anyway, like I said, I have always like Kakashi, even with all his flaws, and I just wish he had more of a defined character arc. That would have made the ending more satisfying, I guess. But like everything else in this series, the beginning doesn't match the end.

  
Were there any adults in Konoha with a shred of decency? I mean, Kakashi was Minato's student, and he just stood by and let Naruto suffer all those years, only to abandon him and Sakura when they needed just as much attention as Sasuke.

"That's my teachers son, better just let him get discriminated against."

I agree but Kishi did give some reasons for why he didn't train Naruto
 
1) Kakashi knows Sasuke resembles him a lot.
 
2) Orochimaru was targeting Sasuke and Sasuke was slipping into darkness.
 
3) Sasuke had Sharingan.
 
4) Jiraya was going to take Naruto under him.
 
Though he doesn't have an excuse for not teaching Sakura.

1.) So? Naruto resembles Minato a lot, you think he'd throw Naruto some sort of bone. That's no excuse.

2.) once again, so? From the middle of part one Kakashi knew that the Akatsuki were after Naruto, and still didn't do a god damn thing for Naruto until midway through part 2.

3.) the sharingan isn't Kakashi's only ability, God forbid he pass another technique seperate from the sharingan down to his other students.

4.) actually, Kakashi abandoned Naruto long before he even knew Jiraiya was in town. He ditched Naruto and left him hanging out to dry during the chuunin exams. For all Kakashi knew, Naruto might not have been able to come up with anything on his own, he might have gotten slaughtered by Neji. Kakashi just didn't care. Interestingly enough, Kakashi only showed any ounce of concern for Naruto when he learned Sasuke had escaped.

None of the things you listed are acceptable reasons form Kakashi to abandon his students in favor of Sasuke.

Edited by AHK, 19 April 2015 - 02:53 AM.

[luffyq1]

have a good feeling that part 3 will be longer than it was originally intended to be. nostalgia, coupled with bolt and sarada, which is the hetero version of sasunaru, will be more than enough for this spinoff to grow into something big.

[Namikaze Clan]

have a good feeling that part 3 will be longer than it was originally intended to be. nostalgia, coupled with bolt and sarada, which is the hetero version of sasunaru, will be more than enough for this spinoff to grow into something big.

Maybe. It depends on the overall qualility and if Kishi has any interest in expanding the series after the Bolt movie

[AHK]

Maybe. It depends on the overall qualility and if Kishi has any interest in expanding the series after the Bolt movie

Don't encourage his sarcasm

[Shadow1275]

So, I like Kakashi. A lot. Even with all his flaws. That's the mark of a good character — that you still like them, warts and all. 

 

It's easy to think of Kakashi focusing on Sasuke, but really, he had waaay more reason to focus on Naruto: Naruto was his sensei's son. Kakashi knows, more than anyone else in the village, that it should be him to teach him. After all, he's the only living one from Minato's team. Yet none of this every factors into his story. I blame Kishimoto for this.

 

I wish Kakashi showed more overt development over the series. He actually didn't seem to like any of his team when the series started. And according to Iruka or Hiruzen (can't remember which), Kakashi had never passed a team before. So the fact that he passed Team 7 made them different. 

 

I enjoyed seeing Kakashi change and grow to accept Naruto (there's a cute scene in Ichiraku's where he say's he is really growing to like Naruto a lot, and Naruto acts all grossed out), and I was pleased to see him take Sakura's burden. Both of those show an evolution of character. 

 

But in the end, as with everything else in the series, I was disappointed that Kakashi's story didn't have a more definitive resolution. He exhibits no pleasure in accepting the role of Kage, other than he's doing it for Obito. And there's no big acknowledgement of Sakura, Naruto or Team 7 to speak of. I suppose he stood up for Sakura when she was crying in front of Naruto, but that whole thing was such a hot mess, it doesn't feel like anything other than an in-the-moment speech. 

 

Kakashi does seem fine with letting Jiraiya teach Naruto and Tsunade teach Sakura. He was even a little competitive with Jiraiya, from the tone of their conversation after the hospital roof fight.

 

But he also doesn't seem bothered by the fact that two of his students found another 'master' instead of him, and Sasuke never saw him as such. Naruto and Sakura had masters in Jiraiya and Tsunade. But Sasuke never considered Kakashi his master. And Kakashi never seemed to expect it. I think if Sasuke ever had a master it would have been Orochimaru.

 

Anyway, like I said, I have always like Kakashi, even with all his flaws, and I just wish he had more of a defined character arc. That would have made the ending more satisfying, I guess. But like everything else in this series, the beginning doesn't match the end.

This'll be my last post on the matter of Kakashi. I'm not really in this to change anyone's opinion there are valid points on both sides of the scale. 

 

It's easy to think of Kakashi focusing on Sasuke, but really, he had waaay more reason to focus on Naruto: Naruto was his sensei's son. Kakashi knows, more than anyone else in the village, that it should be him to teach him. After all, he's the only living one from Minato's team. Yet none of this every factors into his story. I blame Kishimoto for this.

 

I don't see this as much as everyone else does. Naruto started from the bottom with no-one but he had a ton of support as the series went on. Iruka, Lord Third, Inari and his grandfather, Sakura, Kakashi, Sasuke, Konohamaru, Gaara, Jiraiya etc.

 

Sasuke just had Sakura, Naruto, and Kakashi. Even then the only person Sasuke ever respected in the beginning was Kakashi. Which is why Kakashi tried to capitalize on this and say that they were the same. He knew that Sasuke was tempted by Orochimaru and everything he did was to sway Sasuke away from that path.

 

But Naruto was different. Naruto had all these pillars to lean on. Sasuke had much much less, granted bc he didn't care about anything else except for power but the only two who he really respected were Kakashi and later Naruto. And with all of the above considered as a teacher do you spend more time with someone who you think has mastered the material or with a remedial student who is borderline failing.

 

I wish Kakashi showed more overt development over the series. He actually didn't seem to like any of his team when the series started. And according to Iruka or Hiruzen (can't remember which), Kakashi had never passed a team before. So the fact that he passed Team 7 made them different. 

 

Agreed. I don't think he liked Sakura or Sasuke that much. As for Naruto I believe he liked Naruto but he had high expectations bc of who Naruto's father was. Of course Naruto failed them in the beginning. But imo we have to take Kakashi's aloof behavior with a grain of salt, in part bc Kishi couldn't reveal that Minato was Naruto's father until the Pain arc. I'll say one thing though, KAkashi could have taught Naruto the Rasengan but then if he did that robs from Jiraiya's spotlight

 

But in the end, as with everything else in the series, I was disappointed that Kakashi's story didn't have a more definitive resolution. He exhibits no pleasure in accepting the role of Kage, other than he's doing it for Obito. And there's no big acknowledgement of Sakura, Naruto or Team 7 to speak of. I suppose he stood up for Sakura when she was crying in front of Naruto, but that whole thing was such a hot mess, it doesn't feel like anything other than an in-the-moment speech. 

 

Personally though the Kakashi fan in me likes that he became hokage the common sense in me says that he really shouldn't have been. Or that Tsunade should have died and then Kakashi would have taken over and then after the war hand it over to Naruto bc he is the clear choice. I have to disagree with the acknowledgement bit though. Emotional support: KAkashi was always there for Sakura. He promised "That everything will be like before" towards the end of part 1, beginning of part 2 acknowledged her new found powers, among other already discussed examples. Training was weak, but let's consider that Sakura didn't really aspire to be great until part 2. By then she had learned all she could, there was nothing he could teach her. And Kakashi has always had her back in battle.

 

In part 1 Kakashi did focus on Sasuke, but Naruto had plenty of support from others. Kakashi taught him teamwork, chakra control, etc. and in part 2 he taught him how to multiply xp, elements, and refill chakra. Techniques that he used throughout the rest of the series. But as for team 7 Kakashi has always espoused teamwork. And for big acknowledgement there was an entire chapter named "I like you."

 

But he also doesn't seem bothered by the fact that two of his students found another 'master' instead of him, and Sasuke never saw him as such. Naruto and Sakura had masters in Jiraiya and Tsunade. But Sasuke never considered Kakashi his master. And Kakashi never seemed to expect it. I think if Sasuke ever had a master it would have been Orochimaru.

 

How can he compare to the Sannin? I don't think he reaches their level until he starts to master the Mangekyo Sharingan.

 

Interesting point you make here and I agree. Ppl say all the time that Sasuke and Kakashi are parallels but imo this is not true. In fact I see Naruto as a much closer parallel to Kakashi. I don't think that Kakashi expected Sasuke to see him as a mentor but I do think that he thought they were making progress and imo had the sound 4 not intervened when they did I think Sasuke wouldn't have gone to Orochimaru. It looked like Kakashi was getting through.

 

 

This is the real parallel that makes sense imo

[Gaara's hair]

Don't encourage his sarcasm

But it's funny

[luffyq1]

Maybe. It depends on the overall qualility and if Kishi has any interest in expanding the series after the Bolt movie

considering that he said that the bolt movie is the one he wanted to make, i think it''s safe to say that part 3 is the same.

 

 

Don't encourage his sarcasm 

             

Edited by luffyq1, 19 April 2015 - 03:20 AM.

[rocci]

Nary to doesn't need kakashi to teach naruto elemental ninjutsu, because he has jiraiya.
But if kishi do that, it will make naruto doesn't need rasenshuriken training.
That mean naruto will never get a training arc.

Sakura can learn elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu because she's capable to do that. It will not make her solo itachi, but it would make her strong for again brute force who is weak again genjutsu, like naruto pre war arc, suigetsu, jugo, and kisame.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Nary to doesn't need kakashi to teach naruto elemental ninjutsu, because he has jiraiya.
But if kishi do that, it will make naruto doesn't need rasenshuriken training.
That mean naruto will never get a training arc.

Sakura can learn elemental ninjutsu and genjutsu because she's capable to do that. It will not make her solo itachi, but it would make her strong for again brute force who is weak again genjutsu, like naruto pre war arc, suigetsu, jugo, and kisame.

It would make her not much of Tsunade 2.0

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 19 April 2015 - 03:26 AM.

[rocci]

@shadow
Sorry but, you want kishi to show adult obito in the place of kakashi?
Dude, kakashi is sasuke parallel.

[Nar123]

have a good feeling that part 3 will be longer than it was originally intended to be. nostalgia, coupled with bolt and sarada, which is the hetero version of sasunaru, will be more than enough for this spinoff to grow into something big.

Let us hope then that Oda notices kishis success and BEGS for his help on OP
I mean I doubt kishi would refuse; his dream was to work on the most popular series after all huh

And since kishi is such a good writer OP would def. be in good hands

[Nar123]

It would make her not much of Tsunade 2.0

Which is good

I like Tsunade but she is awfully limited

Edited by Nar123, 19 April 2015 - 03:34 AM.

[AHK]

Let us hope then that Oda notices kishis success and BEGS for his help on OP
I mean I doubt kishi would refuse; his dream was to work on the most popular series after all huh
And since kishi is such a good writer OP would def. be in good hands

Easy there, Oda's got enough health problems without worrying about how Kishi is going to shaft his story.

[luffyq1]

Let us hope then that Oda notices kishis success and BEGS for his help on OP
I mean I doubt kishi would refuse; his dream was to work on the most popular series after all huh

And since kishi is such a good writer OP would def. be in good hands

ok i'm sry i'll stop.

[Shadow1275]

@shadow
Sorry but, you want kishi to show adult obito in the place of kakashi?
Dude, kakashi is sasuke parallel.

you're entitled to your opinion of course. But who does Sasuke represent more? The guy who believes in teamwork, thinks he doesn't deserve the "Sakura" of the team, and stays loyal to his village and believes in bonds. Or the crazy Uchiha Lunatic who lost someone he was close to, went bat-kitten crazy, but then redeemed himself "controversially" in the end.

 

 

And nowhere in the manga is it said that Sakura posesses any kind of elemental potential.  

[Nar123]

Easy there, Oda's got enough health problems without worrying about how Kishi is going to shaft his story.

Cue gear four turning out to be a super talk no jutsu /jk

Edited by Nar123, 19 April 2015 - 03:38 AM.

[AHK]

Cue gear four turning out to be a super talk no jutsu /jk

I'll be having night terrors for the next 5 days. Thanks