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#17781 redragon88

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 21 2013, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The thing is that Sasuke is not a lover nor his story suggested it. His story is always about the brotherhood and the life they live in. Sasuke don't encounter enemies who is a lover of past or present, rather his parallel is consisted with brotherhood and the meaning of life, case in point, family. Naruto is different because his story revolves all kind of themes, as well as his parallel suggested it.

When people wonder if SK can happen, well it can, but I do think it may happen off-screen and epilogue. For some reason, rival character doesn't get the romance on-screen or anything, as well as end up going with a side character. The point is that Sasuke is never a love character or a guy who seeks many things. Naruto is the guy who does because not just because he's the protagonist, but because he has big dreams and set of life goals/dreams. It's why his character revolves with every issues: new "replacement" team member (Sai), loss of a master, friends to back you up to the end, etc. So I think you got the picture.

That's the same thought that I have actually. I might like the pairing but I'm also a realist.

What we could potentially get from SK is to have Sasuke imply that he cares a great deal about Karin, but I'm sure there definitely won't be any sort of love confession. I mean, a love confession... from Sasuke... really? No, just no. laugh.gif

And that's yet another reason why SS just feels ridiculous to try doing. Since Sakura is the character that revolves the most around love you would think that she deserves to have a proper love confession from her true love interest. Between Naruto and Sasuke you don't need to be a genius to know that Naruto is the only fitting one to pull something like that properly.

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:57 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 21 2013, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the same thought that I have actually. I might like the pairing but I'm also a realist.

What we could potentially get from SK is to have Sasuke imply that he cares a great deal about Karin, but I'm sure there definitely won't be any sort of love confession. I mean, a love confession... from Sasuke... really? No, just no. laugh.gif

And that's yet another reason why SS just feels ridiculous to try doing. Since Sakura is the character that revolves the most around love you would think that she deserves to have a proper love confession from her true love interest. Between Naruto and Sasuke you don't need to be a genius to know that Naruto is the only fitting one to pull something like that properly.

Not to mention a confession from Naruto to Sakura would be absolutely hilarious. You know he's going to somehow mess up. biggrin.gif
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:00 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 21 2013, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the same thought that I have actually. I might like the pairing but I'm also a realist.

What we could potentially get from SK is to have Sasuke imply that he cares a great deal about Karin, but I'm sure there definitely won't be any sort of love confession. I mean, a love confession... from Sasuke... really? No, just no. laugh.gif

And that's yet another reason why SS just feels ridiculous to try doing. Since Sakura is the character that revolves the most around love you would think that she deserves to have a proper love confession from her true love interest. Between Naruto and Sasuke you don't need to be a genius to know that Naruto is the only fitting one to pull something like that properly.

Sasuke is becoming similar to Vegeta i dont believe there will be a confession or whatver it will just "Oh wow" they are a couple.
It's just like a small time skip or just a epilogue and suddenly they become a couple, 0 development or whatever it's just there, but i dont believe in an epilogue, Kishimoto didnt even think about Naruto having a son or whatever only when he was asked and he had to think about it, i believe NS will become canon but i dont believe in further development for other characters on this term it's a shounen, he can simply throw it on the reader's face and none will complain.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 21 2013, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura is only a likeable character when she's with Sasuke, leaving Naruto for Hinata. kruemelmonsteryn0.gif

Oh my gosh, that makes perfect sense. The reason people hate Sakura is because she's never with Sasuke. laugh.gif

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:03 AM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 21 2013, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah I have a hard time imagining a loving Sasuke. It's just not in his character, but it is in Naruto's. Kishi knows that, which is why we have this NaruHina vs NaruSaku love triangle going on. SasuKarin and SasuSaku really aren't as "intense" as NS and NH; at least for me. I also find that you have to do a lot more assuming for your pro-arguments for any Sasuke related ships. I know part of it is that he's not the main character and he's not big on romance, but still, NS and even NH to some extent have a lot more evidence than either SK or SS. But of course NaruSaku triumphs all in the development department. 111191.gif

NH... intense? huh.gif

Naruto is as intense towards his feelings for Hinata as I am intense towards taking out the weekly trash.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (rikakim94 @ Apr 21 2013, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yeah the forum had a ips problem...

Speaking about sai do you think sai is gonna push sakura's feelings for naruto? I have a feeling that after 615 shock she had. It might cause her to speak to sai about her romantic feelings for naruto. Heck even before she might speak about it she might be depressed about it at first.

That does seem possible because not only he wants to try to fit well in Team 7, even though he is, just not in his mind, but he also wants Naruto to earn for his hard work and didn't like how he has to keep everything until everything is over, which means Naruto will go through hell. He's more supportive to Naruto than anyone else. After all, it was thanks to Naruto that helped him to change.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 21 2013, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the same thought that I have actually. I might like the pairing but I'm also a realist.

What we could potentially get from SK is to have Sasuke imply that he cares a great deal about Karin, but I'm sure there definitely won't be any sort of love confession. I mean, a love confession... from Sasuke... really? No, just no. laugh.gif

And that's yet another reason why SS just feels ridiculous to try doing. Since Sakura is the character that revolves the most around love you would think that she deserves to have a proper love confession from her true love interest. Between Naruto and Sasuke you don't need to be a genius to know that Naruto is the only fitting one to pull something like that properly.

Well, at least you understand. So yeah, Sasuke doesn't have that character, but it could happen off-screen. Even Vegeta didn't get one on-screen. Second main character get the off-screen romance. Not all the time, but it depends on genre and knowing the genre, it most likely will happen.

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 21 2013, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to mention a confession from Naruto to Sakura would be absolutely hilarious. You know he's going to somehow mess up. biggrin.gif

I got the feeling he will go so far to say "Marry me!" because not only he's an idiot, but his heart for her is too strong. It could be like Bakuman, only much funnier and sweeter by the end of that confession.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:26 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 21 2013, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
NH... intense? huh.gif

Naruto is as intense towards his feelings for Hinata as I am intense towards taking out the weekly trash.

I meant there is more "evidence" or stuff you can use as "evidence" in NH than in SS and SK (arguably). Since Naruto actually treats Hinata like a human being, a lot of basic friendly actions get viewed as romantic by NH shippers. Pair that up with a large and vocal fanbase and you got an "intense" pairing. rolleyes.gif What I'm saying is that it's easier to make NH seem like a two-sided relationship.

Sasuke doesn't exactly have a very good track record when it comes to women *cough* homicidal maniac *cough*, so it's not as easy to make SS or SK seem mutual.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:50 AM

I've been thinking about this for awhile, but is it possible that sasuke may want to wipe out all threats to the Konoha. Possibly all the other villages and those that may destroy his "possible" peace in the future (Speculating about Sasuke's version of peace that could occur later on). He wants to protect Itachi's wish and the village hidden in the clouds have been agrresive towards Konoha in the past. He may see them as a threat as long as they have power like the 8 tails.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:03 AM

QUOTE (Beastbomb @ Apr 21 2013, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but is it possible that sasuke may want to wipe out all threats to the Konoha. Possibly all the other villages and those that may destroy his "possible" peace in the future (Speculating about Sasuke's version of peace that could occur later on). He wants to protect Itachi's wish and the village hidden in the clouds have been agrresive towards Konoha in the past. He may see them as a threat as long as they have power like the 8 tails.

Thoughts?

Something like that may happen. If we do end up having a final Naruto vs Sasuke end fight, it'll probably be caused by them having different views on peace, like you said. Maybe after the war Naruto is happy with the current alliance, while Sasuke feels like Konoha isn't safe and wants to eliminate any "threats." That would ruin the alliance, and since both are stubborn individuals with big aspirations, they may settle it with a battle. Then we get VoTE #2. happy.gif
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 21 2013, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something like that may happen. If we do end up having a final Naruto vs Sasuke end fight, it'll probably be caused by them having different views on peace, like you said. Maybe after the war Naruto is happy with the current alliance, while Sasuke feels like Konoha isn't safe and wants to eliminate any "threats." That would ruin the alliance, and since both are stubborn individuals with big aspirations, they may settle it with a battle. Then we get VoTE #2. happy.gif

Or
Sasuke and Naruto protected the village and defeated Obito and Madara, the war is now over. Sasuke knows he has no purpose staying in the leaf village so he decides to leave. Naruto follows him can then fights him at the valley to tell him that they are friends and he shouldn't leave. Thats my prediction...

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:30 AM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 21 2013, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something like that may happen. If we do end up having a final Naruto vs Sasuke end fight, it'll probably be caused by them having different views on peace, like you said. Maybe after the war Naruto is happy with the current alliance, while Sasuke feels like Konoha isn't safe and wants to eliminate any "threats." That would ruin the alliance, and since both are stubborn individuals with big aspirations, they may settle it with a battle. Then we get VoTE #2. happy.gif

I can see Sasuke wanting to have Konoha rule over all of the villages so that none shall dare oppose it ever again.

I would dare say that maybe Sasuke would want to acquire to Juubi's power to rule over the other villages with an iron fist in order to preserve the peace of Konoha which Itachi sacrificed his life for.

Naruto would want the villages to cooperate equally and that will come into clash with Sasuke's ideals. Sasuke could think that eventually the other villages would make a move for power against Konoha therefore wasting Itachi's sacrifice. So Sasuke would rather make the other villages submit to him with the superior power of the Juubi.

Guys, I think we're onto something! wow.png

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:36 AM

Maybe this last chapter wasn't to bad after all and we all were just reacting.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:36 AM

QUOTE (MistFlower @ Apr 21 2013, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...Aren't these the same people who are constantly bashing Sakura? I cant even...

As for the second bolded, the fact that that was confirmed in that particular arc is important. The time couldn't have been that long ago, what, a couple weeks? I think that whatever Naruto and Sasuke feel about Sakura is not going to change in that short of time, if that makes any sense. Naruto can't possibly get over Sakura in that short of time, given his characterization and the fact that Naruto was confirmed to have feelings for Sakura 3 times in a row. And Sasuke changing his feelings would make even less sense.

Sakura, to me anyways, seems to have been changing ever since Sasuke left, as her feelings for him are hurting her, while her feelings for Naruto are growing.


The total time frame between pain, the reunion, and start of the war is left ambiguous. I mean the recent filler at the start when Naruto came in KCM to the fight with the filler samuari, that cloud girl (forgot her name) she said I saw you yesterday. err.gif

Okay aside from that, well there is really no direct given timeframe, it had to be a couple days to at least 2 weeks for the villages and Akasukti to prep for war if we want to be reasonable. One thing I don't mind about Naruto fillers is that tend to at least put themselves in small areas of time where it makes sense to run along with main plot. I mean like how there was a small time of frame between some arcs that allows the anime team to do this. In terms of canon though, it would be impossible to think Naruto would just change in an instant, that's an inconsistency with his argument of just changing from Sakura.

When it comes to fillers in this show, they at least have effort to put them in small places that still make sense, thats better than what Bleach did with things going off chart.

Fillers which take place in part 1 are generally inserted here:
-After land of waves but before chunin exams
-After tsunade returns but before Sasuke leaves
- After Sasuke leaves but before Naruto leaves with Jiriaya in the 3 month time frame-most naruto media basically uses this as the golden spot for their stories in fillers and settings for some of the games due to the wide range of time, its non-canon but still not a bad move to put a setting for it.

For fillers in part 2 they actually made most run with the series:
-Sora arc between Sasuke and Sai and Hidan and Kakazu
-3 tails arc between hidan and kakuzu and itachi pursuit
-Uktaka's filler arc shortly on the way back from failing to get itachi but before the news of Jiraya is told
-Konha history shortly right after pain-what I like what this arc did was actually give an illusion that a couple days could have passed before the 5 kage summit commenced
-chronologically after the 5 kage summit arc came the chikara arc (a mission for team 7 while the village preps for war and still rebuilds) then the adventures at sea (gave another allusion of some time to pass)

I at least find it good that that fillers gave some illusion of time, makes better sense than the village magically being rebuilt within a week. Had to be some carpenters to rebuild the village that fast unless Yamato went into overdrive to put a lot more buildings in. (oh poor yamato be is nothing but a great source of lumber in that time)

But yeah if not much time passed, that cannot mean so much changed at once. Its been 3 years in real time for the war, only 2 days though of actual fighting. This meant Naruto gained KCM in the first day, on the second he became that super form. Not much is going to completely change.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (Beastbomb @ Apr 21 2013, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Maybe this last chapter wasn't to bad after all and we all were just reacting.

I was really surprised that people acted that way. I was more excited about the kages coming, as I orginally thought they we just used for the history lesson sleep.gif .

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Apr 21 2013, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can see Sasuke wanting to have Konoha rule over all of the villages so that none shall dare oppose it ever again.

I would dare say that maybe Sasuke would want to acquire to Juubi's power to rule over the other villages with an iron fist in order to preserve the peace of Konoha which Itachi sacrificed his life for.

Naruto would want the villages to cooperate equally and that will come into clash with Sasuke's ideals. Sasuke could think that eventually the other villages would make a move for power against Konoha therefore wasting Itachi's sacrifice. So Sasuke would rather make the other villages submit to him with the superior power of the Juubi.

Guys, I think we're onto something! wow.png


I could see Sasuke wanting to defend Konoha and a way similar to Danzo. A way that's opposite of what Naruto actually wants. I'd like that twist, and it'd still sort of have them on opposing sides.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 21 2013, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I could see Sasuke wanting to defend Konoha and a way similar to Danzo. A way that's opposite of what Naruto actually wants. I'd like that twist, and it'd still sort of have them on opposing sides.


It would be more of an emotional fight than just a sparring match between the two, and it could possibly make Sasuke evil again depending on how he would want to accomplish this. Will he abuse power to create peace for Konoha and crush those who may stand against him or some how agree with Naruto on how to bring about long-lasting peace for everyone. i would prefer the first since it matchs his character pretty well.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:04 AM

Sasuke will probably still be antagonistic towards Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi he just won't attack them right away. Besides, something is definitely up with Sasuke and Orochimaru

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:20 AM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 21 2013, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sasuke will probably still be antagonistic towards Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi he just won't attack them right away. Besides, something is definitely up with Sasuke and Orochimaru

Especially Orochimaru. Something feels...odd. For one, Sasuke asked Orochimaru about why he attacked the village before. We never got the answer. Orochimaru is interested in Sasuke because rather repeat what he and Kabuto did, he's doing differently. That doesn't mean Sasuke is all good but something will come up. Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd to have two panels of Orochimaru, with the first one smirking and second one is answer. It's like "Well, this is easy." One thing I want to know is if anyone can remind me if the scroll indicated it being Hokages. That said surprised Sasuke took it like "Eh." Then again, he's Sasuke. laugh.gif

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 22 2013, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Especially Orochimaru. Something feels...odd. For one, Sasuke asked Orochimaru about why he attacked the village before. We never got the answer. Orochimaru is interested in Sasuke because rather repeat what he and Kabuto did, he's doing differently. That doesn't mean Sasuke is all good but something will come up. Maybe it's just me, but I find it odd to have two panels of Orochimaru, with the first one smirking and second one is answer. It's like "Well, this is easy." One thing I want to know is if anyone can remind me if the scroll indicated it being Hokages. That said surprised Sasuke took it like "Eh." Then again, he's Sasuke. laugh.gif

Sasuke used to be so much cooler:









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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:35 AM

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Sasuke used to be so much cooler:



This would be good to use in any debates or claims that have a bad reason, well when that stuff relates to anything naruto related.

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