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[alexander]

It makes me laugh all the time when people try to use number of saving to justify their pairing canonicity, while NaruSaku rules out on top in that aspect, from both parties. It's not like they should suddenly fall in love just for saving each other's ass, but it certainly helps when somebody made those rash statement that NaruSaku doesn't have a bond/friendship, while theirs were one of the more functional relationship.

Any excuse is fine for them, as long as there is one for them, but really, try to understand them at this point became somewhat poitless, is better just leave these guys alone and move foward.

[Toasty Warrior]

Yes, it's best if we don't feed the trolls and just ignore them as if they're not there.

[holy_demon]

Anyway I wanna see you guys' interpretation of Sakura's line "Fickle as the Autumn's sky". Personally, I can relate a lot to that line, since I'm a very sporadic person. I see that fickleness is necessary to growing up, it's about facing the cold hard reality, and the willingness to change for the better. It's the acknowledgement that she was wrong in the past, and she needs to improve for the present and future.

What do you guys think about that line which has always been a touchy sore spot for many NaruSaku fan?

[alexander]

Anyway I wanna see you guys' interpretation of Sakura's line "Fickle as the Autumn's sky". Personally, I can relate a lot to that line, since I'm a very sporadic person. I see that fickleness is necessary to growing up, it's about facing the cold hard reality, and the willingness to change for the better. It's the acknowledgement that she was wrong in the past, and she needs to improve for the present and future.

What do you guys think about that line which has always been a touchy sore spot for many NaruSaku fan?

I personally liked the way Sakura behaved in the confession, she was moving foward, and ready to leave the past behind for the sake of Naruto and the others, but for naruto, I was really disapointed with him, I felt that he was an person that is not able to move on with his life and acept reality, that Sasuke is not an person that can be saved, and much less deserves it he choose his own path, while Naruto didn't. I felt that Naruto was just trying to live with an dead memory.

Edited by alexander, 15 November 2010 - 01:41 AM.

[Gravenimage]

I see it as a women's heart can change with due time until it's right. Sakura saying that she was basically telling Naruto that woman can eventually move on from a crush on the wrong person and eventually fall in love with the right person if she's willing to let go of the past and that's what she did. I have always believe her confession was honest and that she has moved on completely from Sasuke since he left the village and left her on a bench. Her secret feelings for Naruto emerge fully when he made her the promise of the life time, that's what I believe.

[Toasty Warrior]

Who knows what it is, but to me I'm thinking it has something to do with Sakura and her many insecurities, she's more than likely afraid if she opens up to Naruto too much she'll end up getting her heart broken once again and it also has to do with Naruto since he thinks that Sakura is still in love with Sasuke, yet after all that's happened in the manga I think I can say that both Naruto and Sakura have gotten passed those problems, the Fourth Shinobi War is the thing that stands in the way of them being able to talk things out.

[catsi563]

its exactly what it means. Its a classic line used in various eastern stories and anime.

The line is used to disply the ever changing nature of a womans heart and how it can be warm and loving one moment and cold the next.

The line in the moment it was used was being used to show that Sakura had and could change her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto. It goes along well with the idea of change and growing up.

[Gravenimage]

its exactly what it means. Its a classic line used in various eastern stories and anime.

The line is used to disply the ever changing nature of a womans heart and how it can be warm and loving one moment and cold the next.

The line in the moment it was used was being used to show that Sakura had and could change her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto. It goes along well with the idea of change and growing up.

Couldn't have said it better myself catsi.

[maliousdei]

I personally hope that naruto finds out more about the war before anything bad happens. on the plus side, if he does find out, which he will, he'll most likely end up on sakura's squad considering his attack range.

Edited by maliousdei, 15 November 2010 - 01:56 AM.

[holy_demon]

I personally liked the way Sakura behaved in the confession, she was moving foward, and ready to leave the past behind for the sake of Naruto and the others, but for naruto, I was really disapointed with him, I felt that he was an person that is not able to move on with his life and acept reality, that Sasuke is not an person that can be saved, and much less deserves it he choose his own path, while Naruto didn't. I felt that Naruto was just trying to live with an dead memory.

Honestly, I've never expected that behaviour from Naruto. I've always thought Sakura would be the last one to get rid of her past. Turns out she cared more about Naruto than living in her old fantasy. As for Naruto, it's kinda hard to understand him now, after his talk with Nagato. If you scrutinize Naruto's dialogue, many of them wouldn't even make sense, such as (with Sasuke), "we will die together once we fight", "I haven't given up", "we will talk with each other through fist"

Also, after that confession, I realized Sakura is extremely bad with words (not sure if it's intentional), she couldn't even express how much she fears for his wellbeing. Her actions actually spoke louder than words. Probably that's why people keep misunderstanding and hating her. She didn't even have to confess to show her concern for him.

From my experience, the most honest people are usually the one who struggle the most with their speaking. They face the dilemma to want to convey everything, yet the feelings are really complex. She basically has something for Naruto, and little of Sasuke, the guilt for going behind Naruto's back, the worry of going after Sasuke, and she turned all that of those into a messed up talk.

For some reason Sakura keeps reminding me a lot of my mom. As much as I love her, she annoys me with her speech. She means good, but her logic basically doesn't make sense.

Edited by holy_demon, 15 November 2010 - 05:39 AM.

[Codus N]

Exactly. This is why I think Naruto's character has degenerated so much. Seriously, I thought the meeting with Nagato would make him open his eyes a little bit and make him grow up about Sasuke, but enough is enough. Seriously, this naive thinking will cost him in the future dearly. I'm pretty sure that we'll see someone die at the hands of Sasuke which will be the turning point for him.

I can see why he wants to take the bond he had back with Sasuke back. We all know he lived a life of loneliness and Sasuke was one of the first who acknowledged him. He had treasured it so much and to see that bond taken away from him, it was heart-shattering.

Y'know, to be honest, I've had a gut feeling for a while that KB will be the one to get him out of that naivety. KB will the person to take him to the final step of his maturity. If we think about it, KB is like an adult version of Naruto. As a Jinchuuriki, he knows how hard it is to form a friendship with people. The only person who could help him get through his loneliness was his brother (which he was lucky to have). But even so, having a friendship must have been tough for him. So he's the one who knows how Naruto feels the most.

Since KB is so much like what an adult Naruto would be, I can't help the feeling he went through something similar with what Naruto is going through now. mAybe KB will tell him something about how Naruto needs to mature.

[maliousdei]

Curiosity question. Sakura originally loved sasuke at first, and with the idea of realizing she has fallen for naruto, as likely as it is, how can that be if sakura's view of naruto is different from how she viewed sasuke when she loved him?

BTW: I'm only bringing this up out of concern for the pairing, nothing more.

Edited by maliousdei, 16 November 2010 - 04:42 AM.

[ShippudenGirl]

Sakura didn't love Sasuke... She thought he was cool... She was actually able to develop feelings for Naruto, and sees him for the person he is; she didn't do that with Sasuke and his attitude towards her was crap.

[Strangelove]

I personally liked the way Sakura behaved in the confession, she was moving foward, and ready to leave the past behind for the sake of Naruto and the others, but for naruto, I was really disapointed with him, I felt that he was an person that is not able to move on with his life and acept reality, that Sasuke is not an person that can be saved, and much less deserves it he choose his own path, while Naruto didn't. I felt that Naruto was just trying to live with an dead memory.

But Naruto is destined to save the ninja world from its own destruction. If he can't save one person, how can he save the whole world? <3

[alexander]

But Naruto is destined to save the ninja world from its own destruction. If he can't save one person, how can he save the whole world? <3

Almost feel like you are saying that Sasuke is more worth saving than the rest of the world, tough I know this is not your point, but honestily, is even worth saving him? All he does is for himself, and no one else, before, I knew that what he did was to avenge his clan, but now I think he just use this fact as an excuse to do whatever he wants. He is not only an traitor now, he is an backsstaber, tried to kill Karin just because she was in the way to get Danzo, she who saved his sorry a** more than once, what an gratitude . I think he doensn't deserve to live an normal life, not after all suffering he caused to his former commarades who aways cared for him. I think the main difference of Sasuke and Madara as villains is that madara do evil things to achieve his goal, that is to make the world an place with no wars, tought he uses the most twisted tatics to do so, while Sasuke in the other hand, do evil actions for nothing more than personal benefit and self satisfaction. Back to the main point, I think that Sasuke don't need to be saved to bring peace to the world, that's just an naive tought of Naruto's part.

[holy_demon]

But Naruto is destined to save the ninja world from its own destruction. If he can't save one person, how can he save the whole world? <3

I suppose it depends on how one would view the situation.

Let's put it like this, if he's bothered just by not being able to save one person, how can he save the whole world.

There's no guarantee that Sasuke will be the last one.

[merryGOflava]

But Naruto is destined to save the ninja world from its own destruction. If he can't save one person, how can he save the whole world? <3

i kinda get what hes saying...quite frankly i dont want sasuke to die, it feels like him dying will only repeat the same mistakes the other "paralles" had. jiraya with orochimaru, nagato with yahiko. kakashi with obito...why does someone have to die? why cant there be a way to save that person as hopeless as it is. i think naruto is naive but i also want him to save sasuke! Break the chain naruto!! my thoughts~

[holy_demon]

i kinda get what hes saying...quite frankly i dont want sasuke to die, it feels like him dying will only repeat the same mistakes the other "paralles" had. jiraya with orochimaru, nagato with yahiko. kakashi with obito...why does someone have to die? why cant there be a way to save that person as hopeless as it is. i think naruto is naive but i also want him to save sasuke! Break the chain naruto!! my thoughts~

The problem with the other "parallels" is that they never learn to let go, Jiraiya to the point of stalking orochimaru for intel, Nagato to the point of reanimating his friend's corpse, Kakashi to the point of reading porn to escape reality. Failures are always bound to happen. Part of growing is learning how to deal with failures. Those men refuse to move forward, but instead clung to the past. Naruto may save Sasuke, but there's no guarantee that he will be able to save Sakura, Shikamaru, or anybody in the future. He isn't God. The moment he thought he can save everybody, he would become Pein.

[merryGOflava]

The problem with the other "parallels" is that they never learn to let go, Jiraiya to the point of stalking orochimaru for intel, Nagato to the point of reanimating his friend's corpse, Kakashi to the point of reading porn to escape reality. Failures are always bound to happen. Part of growing is learning how to deal with failures. Those men refuse to move forward, but instead clung to the past. Naruto may save Sasuke, but there's no guarantee that he will be able to save Sakura, Shikamaru, or anybody in the future. He isn't God. The moment he thought he can save everybody, he would become Pein.

you know we all expect naruto to just leave and dump sasuke and forget about him, which is understandable. but naruto like he said himself "if i change who i am, then i wouldnt be naruto anymore" i want him to succeed all those that failed including nagato, jiraya, kakashi. i want naruto to go all the way instead of losing and failing. those paralles couldnt make it so do we expect naruto to give up cause its hopeless now? failing is a part of your growth but why cant we cheer naruto on to save everyone? i think that naruto is the type of character that can save both sasuke and everyone he cares about. it might be alittle cheesy but thats how naruto is and thats how i believe whats gonna happen. i dont want naruto to die and i dont want crazed up sasuke to die either. sasuke needs to calm down and get down to earth and naruto needs to do it (and hurry up) oh yea i dont want naruto to cling to the past. but i think he will unless he doesnt try. as long as naruto tries his best im happy.

[Miss Soupy]

you know we all expect naruto to just leave and dump sasuke and forget about him, which is understandable. but naruto like he said himself "if i change who i am, then i wouldnt be naruto anymore" i want him to succeed all those that failed including nagato, jiraya, kakashi. i want naruto to go all the way instead of losing and failing. those paralles couldnt make it so do we expect naruto to give up cause its hopeless now? failing is a part of your growth but why cant we cheer naruto on to save everyone? i think that naruto is the type of character that can save both sasuke and everyone he cares about. it might be alittle cheesy but thats how naruto is and thats how i believe whats gonna happen. i dont want naruto to die and i dont want crazed up sasuke to die either. sasuke needs to calm down and get down to earth and naruto needs to do it (and hurry up) oh yea i dont want naruto to cling to the past. but i think he will unless he doesnt try. as long as naruto tries his best im happy.

I don't think anyone is saying you shouldn't cheer Naruto on. He will be able to accomplish above and beyond what anyone else has been able to do. The point is though, that he won't be able to stop people from dying altogether. If he became just a perfect character, god-like, he wouldn't be Naruto anymore. And also, I think there is a difference between Naruto saving Sasuke and Sasuke living in the end. Saving Sasuke, at least to me, just means redeeming him at this point. He wants to take away Sasuke's hatred. Whether or not a redeemed Sasuke lives or not is something else entirely. I think by now Sasuke can't be redeemed in the eyes of the reader unless he makes a huge sacrifice. I think Sasuke's ultimate redemption would be sacrificing himself for Naruto's sake, the same thing Naruto has been willing to do this entire time. Even if Sasuke lives, I can't see him ever returning to Konoha. He might forgive them, but I can't see him ever supporting the village again.