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[Nate River]

The relationship between Naruto and Sakura has been portrayed as romantic far too much for him to pull something like that. Most series with something like that, it'd be hinted at in different occasions and there are no romantic feelings between the 2 characters.

I won't say i'm well read in alot of stories like that, though. 3-4 tops.

I will say this: Its funny that that particular is gaining any traction at all since it died in Chapter 3. Sakura brags to Sasuke about how lucky Naruto is not to have parents and Sasuke berates her for not understanding. A scene that only makes sense if Sakura actually has living parents. So unless she's some long lost daughter of the Fourth and Kushina, the idea that they are real brother and sister has been dead since the beginning.

[lolaMarie]

Would Kishi really waste this much time and put so much effort into one specific pairing just to deem it "invalid"? I wont go as far as to say its impossible, but seriously What evidence is there that supports the siblings theory? Naruto and Sakura look no more alike then Naruto and Ino. I just want one piece of logical evidence that points to this conclusion.

Every time someone mentions something remotely romantic (ex Shikamaru's father, Sai..) it can be tied back to Narusaku, and usually eliminates other pairings. This is the author's way of being subtle, a very effective and appropriate course of action for this genre. Alas, people will see what they want to see, NH fans are not the only guilty ones.

About the red hearing thing, Its my understanding that its meant to be a distraction from the real pairing, correct? So what is productive about using an entire manga to develop one pairing only for it to end up being a distraction for another almost completely baseless pairing. Naruhina remain as of today, pretty much the same as it was in the start of the manga. The only confirmed difference is that Hinata has finally confessed, and we can only assume that she will no longer blush and faint whenever Naruto is around . I think they will all go to confront Sasuke, probably all taken out one by one in some fashion, so that it parallels the last time they tried, only difference being the addition of the girls. This means Hinata will probably get to speak with Naruto, about what I really have no clue. Does this mean Kishi will ignore his hard work and crafty and subtle narusaku build up? I for one am against using any kind of evidence that can be thrown rite back into my face, so take that red hearing theory!

Someone should write an essay on Kishi's productive use of parallels, This spontaneous confession thing he has going tends to leave the girls unconscious. LOL maybe its his way of saying "..and that was the end of that".

[Freakazoid]

I will say this: Its funny that that particular is gaining any traction at all since it died in Chapter 3. Sakura brags to Sasuke about how lucky Naruto is not to have parents and Sasuke berates her for not understanding. A scene that only makes sense if Sakura actually has living parents. So unless she's some long lost daughter of the Fourth and Kushina, the idea that they are real brother and sister has been dead since the beginning.

This is one of the first arguments presented to negate such a silly theory. It was countered with Sakura could have been adopted and a few other odd ones.

I don't take this theory seriously at all, obviously. It's an argument against NS none the less, so we may as well shoot it down.

[lolaMarie]

Ive heard the brother sister argument being used in some pretty intense debates, but what are they pulling this from? Kishi has stated that sakura is pretty much an average girl, which usually stems from average parents(for the sake of this manga) . I don't think he put a lot of thought into her background.

Edited by lolaMarie, 11 August 2009 - 05:18 AM.

[NaruSaku93]

The relationship between Naruto and Sakura has been portrayed as romantic far too much for him to pull something like that. Most series with something like that, it'd be hinted at in different occasions and there are no romantic feelings between the 2 characters.

I won't say i'm well read in alot of stories like that, though. 3-4 tops.

yeah, i agree. it would be impossible for kishi to say that naruto and sakura are just siblings. there were already a lot of hints of perhaps romance between them.

and........... if he is going to do something like that, im gonna cry a river

[Derock]

I'm starting to believe why many fans are using that "sibling" argument...

... they are awaiting for Kishimoto to pull a similar situation like J.K. Rowling did with Harry and Herimone as in quoted: "I love her like a sister", so they can have their pairings which ever if its NaruHina, SasuSaku, LeeSaku, w/e other pairing canon so that NaruSaku can be dead and stay dead. Plus many complain that they are tired of the cliches (which are always there) and want something different.

[Freakazoid]

Almost every pairing besides pure crack is cliche.

Harry Potter is one thing that holds influence on the argument, also Star Wars apparently. I've seen it get mentioned several times when I've debated against the 'sibling' garbage.

Edited by Freakazoid, 12 August 2009 - 06:12 PM.

[Daidoji_Tangen]

I'm starting to believe why many fans are using that "sibling" argument...

... they are awaiting for Kishimoto to pull a similar situation like J.K. Rowling did with Harry and Herimone as in quoted: "I love her like a sister", so they can have their pairings which ever if its NaruHina, SasuSaku, LeeSaku, w/e other pairing canon so that NaruSaku can be dead and stay dead. Plus many complain that they are tired of the cliches (which are always there) and want something different.

I don't know. I got on the Harry Potter train late (I was still reading them first six when the 7th came out), but I see it differently. I mean, I never saw Herimone and Harry as a possible pairing until the 7th book

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when Ron left the two of them.

I was unspoiled by pairing fans arguments, Herimone's choice seemed natural and not a cop-out (Harry's kinda did, though).

Also, bah, to people who complain about cliches. Cliches are cliches for a reason. The only problem is when a writer simply uses them without any sort plan and just tosses them in there. NaruSaku is not just thrown in there without explanation or build up.

[Freakazoid]

I'll agree on the Harry/Herimone thing. I saw Ron/Hermione from a mile away..

The Ginny thing was random.. but oh well.

It's pointless though. They are 2 totally different series, authors, sitouations, characters and cultures. Plus, Harry never had a crush on Hermione.

Also, Naruto resembles Ron more then anything IMO.

[NaruSaku93]

I'll agree on the Harry/Herimone thing. I saw Ron/Hermione from a mile away..

The Ginny thing was random.. but oh well.

It's pointless though. They are 2 totally different series, authors, sitouations, characters and cultures. Plus, Harry never had a crush on Hermione.

Also, Naruto resembles Ron more then anything IMO.

i agree. i could see ron and hermione getting together, but harry and GINNY??? i read the books and i had seen no signs whatsoever. i dont think kishi is going to pull of the jk rowling thing. theres too much development for narusaku

[RyrineaHaruno]

I am sorry. I'm not the best with Internet lingo, but "trolling." The only trolling I know of is intentionally going on X board to insult people and make them mad.

tolling in Mangas = Red hearings xD



Oh I agree with Nate on the whole Bother/Sister thingy.... Oh, I also could see Ron/Hermione from a mile away, but Harry Ginny That would be a big ????????

[Daidoji_Tangen]

i agree. i could see ron and hermione getting together, but harry and GINNY??? i read the books and i had seen no signs whatsoever. i dont think kishi is going to pull of the jk rowling thing. theres too much development for narusaku

I think she had planned out that way, but she never really satisfyingly developed the romance, especially compared to Ron and Herimone.

tolling in Mangas = Red hearings xD



Oh I agree with Nate on the whole Bother/Sister thingy.... Oh, I also could see Ron/Hermione from a mile away, but Harry Ginny That would be a big ????????

Thanks.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Plus many complain that they are tired of the cliches (which are always there) and want something different.

But, aren't NH and SS cliched I mean shojo cliched and American movies cliched?

[Daidoji_Tangen]

But, aren't NH and SS cliched I mean shojo cliched and American movies cliched?

Pretty much everything is cliche.

People were so impressed by Pein wanting to become a god (myself, included considering his motivations) instead of simply taking over the world like he told Hidan. But really, it was just as cliche. How many video games have you played where the bad guy wants to become a god (or you wind up giving it a go even)?

Cliches are everywhere for a reason. It's the development of the cliche that turns it into an original piece of work or crap. NaruSaku is very well developed. People who call it cliche are ignoring the development in favor of their pairing. Of course, we would be doing the same for SasuSaku (which has pretty nil chance of happening now, but was fairly developed).

[Nee-sama]

People labeling something as cliché is just so cliché.

[Froot]

My years as a Naruto fan have been shared equally by my years as a NaruSaku supporter. That means that since the beginning, I've loved NaruSaku before I even knew it was an actual pairing.
I've been lucky enough not to fall into the NaruHina/SasuSaku trap.
Why?

Because from the beginning, NaruSaku has had everything a pairing should have, such as:

-Development
-Clues and Foreshadowing
and
-That traditional manga love appeal, just to name a few.

And all the way, I've seen NaruHina/SasuSaku/Any Pairing Other Than NaruSaku as, for lack of better word...
Bogus.

I'm going to start with arguements from NaruHina. Note: These are actual arguements I've heard:

-NaruSaku is cliche

NaruSaku is not cliche. Yes, the Tsundere theme is a staple of Shonen romance. That doesn't mean it's cliche. Cliche is taking the same theme and beating it to death, over, and over, and over again, in just the same way all other mangaka have. But NaruSaku has brought new themes to this concept.

Sakura is Tsundere. But Sakura is also shown, quite frequently, may I add, displaying deep emotions for Naruto. Sai and Yamato, for example, have implied many times how deeply Sakura cares for Naruto.


As well as that, we see the male protagonist, instead of blatantly trying to win the female protagonist, sacrificing his happiness for her. Naruto could've told Sakura long ago how he felt, yes, but he chose not to, for the simple fact that he wasn't capable of keeping a promise.

And don't forget; pre-timeskip Naruto has done the same, making Sakura that promise and sacrificing his happiness. So NaruSaku is not just the run-of-the-mill ''Boy likes girl and tries to win her over and girl hits boy'' manga pairing. It's not that shallow.
Besides, what can I say? Masashi is a traditionalist.

-Don't forget about Hinata's confession

Oh boy. Here we go...

First of all , I see that as more of a development for Hinata, rather than NaruHina. She told him how she felt, and displayed backbone.

IMO, it's already been resolved. In chapter 450, Sakura hugs Naruto, and Hinata smiles earnestly at the scene. Those ''....'' indicate, as far as I can tell, that Hinata is happy and satisfied with the outcome. (If you find that incorrect, her smile says it all anyways)

I hope we all didn't forget our plot charts teacher showed us in school;

Rising action, climax, falling action, and resolution.

(But since there was no discernable falling action, we can skip to resolution.)

Rising action; when she sees Pein hurting Naruto, and Ko is trying to get her to stay away

Climax: The confession

-Skip falling action-

Resolution- Hinata's smile at the NaruSaku moment.

Ergo; It. Is. Resolved.

I'm hoping that Kishimoto doesn't throw in any out-or-the-blue forks in the plan, but as far as her confession goes, everything is resolved

And let's say, for the sake of example, it is brought up again. Hinata re-tells Naruto what he's already heard, or by some chance he confronts her;

Naruto does not have feelings for Hinata

As mentioned in ch. 458 (right?), Naruto's still got feelings for Sakura. Let me ask you this; why would Sai bring that behind-the-scenes, never before seen new NaruSaku moment if Naruto's going to randomly drop his feelings for Sakura and switch, without rhyme or reason, to Hinata? If that were the case, Kishimoto would've just dropped the moments altogether.

So why did he make a new one? I could understand if he'd used an old one, then he would have just been trying to tie up loose ends. But again, he made a NEW NARUSAKU MOMENT!

It would be wrong to have Naruto, the main character, end up with anyone but the one he wants - Sakura.

Hearing a confession is not going to suddenly change his feelings. He's not going to be like, ''Oh, Hinata loves me? Well, jeez, now that you mention it, I love her too! I just suddenly realized my feelings for her that I've had for this whole time! Sakura who ?''

Yeah, no.

Kishimoto wouldn't (and really shouldn't) use Hinata's confession as an excuse to just drop NaruSaku and take the easy way out. That's like... that's like having Sasuke suddenly fall in love with Sakura and apologize to her! WRONG!



Why do NaruSaku fans love NaruSaku?

-Their development
-Their interraction
-Their themes
-Their foundation
-And just their over all win

Why do NaruHina fans like NaruHina?

-cuz its cute and hinatas cute and sakuras a b*tch and it should be naruhina and sasusaku and cuz narusaku is laaaaaaaaame!

/Sarcasm.

Well, that pretty much kills NaruHina and SasuSaku's... already dead, in my opinion.


Please share your thoughts and offer additinal points and arguements.

[Freakazoid]

Awesome read! I'm not sure if this would be better in the debate thread or not, great post regardless.

[The Sincerities]

Very good points all in all! NaruHina fans sure do seem to have those reasons for liking their pairing? Me? I think those are pointless reasons to like a pairing with hardly any development, but that's just my opinion. They are entitled to their own opinions of like NaruHina as I am to liking NaruSaku...

But still, very good on pointing all those things out.:] I for one have liked NaruSaku since the third episode... haha, stupid I know. I saw Naruto had a crush on Sakura and I liked Sakura from the very start of the anime totally not caring about the "Sasuke-kun!" obsession she had... but yeah, I thought his crush on her was really sweet. I quickly loved the pairing, hands down. Stupid, yes. But I do have my reasons for liking it besides just liking them for the sake of liking them. xD And those reasons are the reasons you posted.:]

Anyways, if we all look back to the very start of the manga, NaruSaku has developed slowly but surly in it's own way.:] In my opinion though. Cause something I may see as a hint while others are like "Uh, no that's not a hint..."

Love how you stated everything nice and clear though.:] Great job!

[Froot]

Very good points all in all! NaruHina fans sure do seem to have those reasons for liking their pairing? Me? I think those are pointless reasons to like a pairing with hardly any development, but that's just my opinion. They are entitled to their own opinions of like NaruHina as I am to liking NaruSaku...

But still, very good on pointing all those things out.:] I for one have liked NaruSaku since the third episode... haha, stupid I know. I saw Naruto had a crush on Sakura and I liked Sakura from the very start of the anime totally not caring about the "Sasuke-kun!" obsession she had... but yeah, I thought his crush on her was really sweet. I quickly loved the pairing, hands down. Stupid, yes. But I do have my reasons for liking it besides just liking them for the sake of liking them. xD And those reasons are the reasons you posted.:]

Anyways, if we all look back to the very start of the manga, NaruSaku has developed slowly but surly in it's own way.:] In my opinion though. Cause something I may see as a hint while others are like "Uh, no that's not a hint..."
Love how you stated everything nice and clear though.:] Great job!

Stupid? psh'aww
That's my reason for liking them, too! NaruSaku supporter since ch. 3. It's not stupid at all - in fact, it's very logical. I fell in love with Naruto, and saw his crush on Sakura, so naturally, I wanted him to be happy.
And as I said before, I was lucky to be one of the people who didn't fall into the SasuSaku trap at the beginning, and saw past everything. I was like, ''Sakura likes Sasuke? Ugh, I HOPE she's not really that shallow!''

But yeah, thanks for your thoughts!

Awesome read! I'm not sure if this would be better in the debate thread or not, great post regardless.

Debate thread? (oopsies)
It's more of a rant rather than a debate, but yeah, I can see where you're coming from... °

Edited by Sakura Blossoms, 15 August 2009 - 04:08 PM.
Double posting

[The Sincerities]

Stupid? psh'aww
That's my reason for liking them, too! NaruSaku supporter since ch. 3. It's not stupid at all - in fact, it's very logical. I fell in love with Naruto, and saw his crush on Sakura, so naturally, I wanted him to be happy.
And as I said before, I was lucky to be one of the people who didn't fall into the SasuSaku trap at the beginning, and saw past everything. I was like, ''Sakura likes Sasuke? Ugh, I HOPE she's not really that shallow!''

But yeah, thanks for your thoughts!

xD

Wow, looks like we have a lot in common with that! I fell in love with Naruto too! Haha, how ironic. I'm surprised I didn't fall into the trap either... I'm glad though.:] NaruSaku is my most favorite pairing ever! I never thought Sakura was shallow or any of that. Nothing. I just really liked her character. xD

-very rare type of Sakura fan-

Ahem,

SasuSaku was okay to me I guess. And it still is even though it's pretty obvious it won't happen. xD But I was never really bothered by it. NaruHina absolutely hated... I hated it so fricken much. Not really sure why I hated it so much but I thought Hinata was really annoying with her shyness and stuff. Now? I'm not really caring about NaruHina and Hinata is a favorite character of mine now.:] Really though, what's wrong with me?

-Loved Sakura's character, Hated Hinata's character-

Must be a rare fan sickness... A permanent one. xD A lot of people are the opposite, -loves Hinata, hates Sakura...a lot-. Eh, whatever. Yay for Sakura!

Anyways, no problem.:]