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#17661 StriderC

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 20 2013, 01:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
True, Kishi hasn't been great in the romance department but it's not completely bad either.

let me be clear:

SS-doesn't make sense- this he screwed up. There is no reason Sakura should have any feelings for Sasuke and no reason why she should have fallen in love with him.

NH-not exactly screwed up. NH does lack development, but this of course could change. Looking at this from a pure relationship perspective, it's natural for people to develop crushes on other people who embody what they lack. For example, Hinata was always shy and overlooked, Naruto always believed he could change who he was. That is why she developed a crush on him. He has always been nice to her[though oblivious and not reciprocating her feelings]. Now what Naruto considers a friendly act, Hinata could consider a romantic one, which could explain why it grew. Would I call it love, not really. In my opinion, it is more deep infatuation then love and is still one-sided. But it still lacks development for it to become mutual.

NS-This is not screwed up if he follows through, and in my opinion is well executed for a couple of reasons. First, Sakura grew to respect Naruto as a person and close friend in part 1, sometimes admiring his skill as a ninja and his kindness as a person. Part 2, she learns more about him personally. For example, before part 2 she did not know about the giant fox living inside of him. But the biggest reason why this is done well is because we have mutual moments of affection between Naruto and Sakura. For example, the eating scene. They have the foundation, and out of all the male characters, Naruto is the most stable as he has always had Sakura's back no matter what. This is also why it appeals to me the most because in the relationships I've been in, sure it can start with a crush, but it only grows stronger when the chemistry is right.

Now as for 540, the fact that she loves Sasuke does not make sense. However, considering the love is there, Sakura's emotional roller coaster has been realistic. In part 2, she is never confronted by Sasuke in his uber-evilness until the Land of Iron scene. This is where she first acknowledges that Sasuke has changed. Which means, that she had not considered her feelings for him wrong until that point. 540 makes sense, because of that fact. Sakura has only recently accepted her feelings as wrong. She knows that Sasuke is not a great man, and is starting to realize that her love for Sasuke is as Kishi put it Selfish.

She also realizes that Naruto really does love her, however this hit a hitch as well. Sakura has been rejected two times. Once by Sasuke when he said goodbye to her when he left to go with Orochimaru, and by Naruto at the Land of Iron. Now, after looking at Kishi's interview and the confession, it is clear that Sakura and Naruto have romantic feelings for each other[not too mention the hundreds of hints and NS moments] However, even though Naruto probably rejected her because she still had feelings for Sasuke, it's natural for her to be guarded about putting herself out there. On Naruto's end, he is going to feel hurt because he mistook Sakura's confession as her lying about her feelings for Sasuke, and her not considering that he would have gone after him promise or not. When she was only trying to ease his pain. This would explain why they haven't talked about the confession at all since they got back.

Hopefully she can get over this.

As for 615, Is it a NH moment? sure. But more in the friendly sense and not romantic sense in Naruto's case. It does make sense though for Hinata because she promised to hold his hand, and because it was Neji who sacrificed his life.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 20 2013, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura: MY BODY IS READY!!!

Okay, jokes aside, I find that if Sasuke wasn't in the picture then he would have accepted Sakura's confession. I do think NS would have played out the same way Minato and Kushina did if Sasuke didn't exist. It would just take a much shorter time.

I still wonder something, why is chapter 540 such a huge significance, but 573 isn't? I still think 573 is a much more powerful scene than 540.

I agree. The whole romance would have ended way back in part 1 if Sasuke didn't exist at all. It's taking a long time, much like Obito, assuming if he didn't "die" love triangle will still go on.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ Apr 20 2013, 04:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
..... You two do have VERY similar avatars.... dry.gif LOL

Lol, Not you too Strider arg.gif

As for Sakura getting kidnapped, It's definitely a possibility considering that all the stuff that happened in RTN was things he wanted to put in the manga. Though I'd prefer Sakura to have a strong moment first, but this would be a big NaruSaku moment which is always cool in my book. cool.gif

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 20 2013, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Lol, Not you too Strider arg.gif

As for Sakura getting kidnapped, It's definitely a possibility considering that all the stuff that happened in RTN was things he wanted to put in the manga. Though I'd prefer Sakura to have a strong moment first, but this would be a big NaruSaku moment which is always cool in my book. cool.gif


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

I really miss Sakura-chan. PLEASE KISHI!!!! arg.gif

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:04 PM

QUOTE (Slextrem @ Apr 19 2013, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@FrenchMyToast: Sorry for not replying to your posts! I kept mistaking you for Shadow. Your avatars look similar and I'm too groggy to differentiate between the two. sweatdrop.gif

You're right. Tsunade is different from Jiraiya, though I do think she's had some regrets in her life. Maybe that's why I can't stop seeing her final thoughts revolving around her unfulfilled relationship with Jiraiya...


Heh it's okay. And wow, our avatars are actually really similar. omfg.gif

Damn like 4 members thought Shadow and I were the same person. zomg.gif

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 20 2013, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heh it's okay. biggrin.gif And wow, our avatars are actually really similar. omfg.gif


Shadow!! I mean.... Frenchy. : pictureem0.gif LOL

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE (FrenchMyToast @ Apr 20 2013, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Heh it's okay. biggrin.gif And wow, our avatars are actually really similar. omfg.gif

Mine's cooler th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Shadow1275 @ Apr 20 2013, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mines cooler th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif


LMAO Someone's bragginnnnnnggg. I could honestly barely tell what's going on in Frenchy's avatar. tongue.gif I had to look at it for a sec before.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

QUOTE (HauntedCake @ Apr 20 2013, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really miss Sakura-chan. PLEASE KISHI!!!! arg.gif


your telling me.

I'm so over Sasuke
I'm over the past Hokages
I'm over Hinata

all I wanna see is:

Sakura
Tsunade
Naruto

anyone else won't have my attention until I see these 3! and so help me if I see one more flash back!!!!

sorry just ranting....

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 20 2013, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sakura: MY BODY IS READY!!!

Okay, jokes aside, I find that if Sasuke wasn't in the picture then he would have accepted Sakura's confession. I do think NS would have played out the same way Minato and Kushina did if Sasuke didn't exist. It would just take a much shorter time.

I still wonder something, why is chapter 540 such a huge significance, but 573 isn't? I still think 573 is a much more powerful scene than 540.

Probably because 540 was clearly related to pairings, and 573 wasn't as straight-forward. I agree with your view on Sakura's little speech and how in the end she will be next to Naruto supporting him, but many fans just take things at face value. Why do you think there was such a negative reaction to Sakura's confession to Naruto? People just see Sakura trying to use and abuse Naruto's feelings for her, when she was actually thinking about Naruto the whole damn time. Hell even the author said so. facepalm.png It doesn't help that half the fandom is made up of Sakura haters who completely ignore all of her accomplishments.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:36 PM

The confession is funny because Sakura had many options available

For example:
  1. Telling the truth (not a good idea)
  2. Saying she loved him (no proof)
  3. As James and I discussed previously: taking her clothes off and have him at her mercy (on short terms highly efficient)
  4. The following conversation:
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    Naruto: I don`t belive you.
    Sakura: (locks lips with Naruto) How about now.
    Naruto: Good enough for me. To the village it is. (long term efficiency)


IF Hinata did the confession I bet the Hinata fans would say nothing but good things about it. OMG she is so self-sacrificial, thats so romantic blablabla.

While we (not all NS fans) apretiate the moment for what it is, we dont act like its the best thing ever. When I first read the chapter I hated the confession. Simply because I felt Naruto`s pain. But there was more to it. And thats what I think the Sakura haters refuse to see.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 20 April 2013 - 05:37 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 20 2013, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
your telling me.

I'm so over Sasuke
I'm over the past Hokages
I'm over Hinata

all I wanna see is:

Sakura
Tsunade
Naruto

anyone else won't have my attention until I see these 3! and so help me if I see one more flash back!!!!

sorry just ranting....


Pretty much the same for me. If another flashback occurs, I will not be interested in the slightest. LOL At this points, it's mandatory that she appears. LOL I can do without seeing Tsunade and Naruto. Sakura to the forefront!

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 05:56 PM

QUOTE (StrikerTheNoble @ Apr 20 2013, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The confession is funny because Sakura had many options available

For example:
  1. Telling the truth (not a good idea)
  2. Saying she loved him (no proof)
  3. As James and I discussed previously: taking her clothes off and have him at her mercy (on short terms highly efficient)
  4. The following conversation:
    Sakura: I love you.
    Naruto: I don`t belive you.
    Sakura: (locks lips with Naruto) How about now.
    Naruto: Good enough for me. To the village it is. (long term efficiency)


.........why couldn't sakura just avoid naruto all together and go after sasuke, if she knew he wouldn't give up on sasuke?
what was the point of the confession again?

Edited by merryGOflava, 20 April 2013 - 05:58 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

I don't mean to bring an old topic but I just got the answer to that Ino's quote from that post. It was the anime version of chunnin exam. Oh Pierrot. Anyway, proceed with the current conversation.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 20 2013, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.........why couldn't sakura just avoid naruto all together and go after sasuke, if she knew he wouldn't give up on sasuke?
what was the point of the confession again?


Well logically and from experience Sakura would try to appeal to Naruto first because she knew she failed persuading Sasuke but Naruto is another story. Failing that she didn't break down and cried like last time but decided to go and kill Sasuke.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

Well the deal is, NaruSaku has all the things right on track, anything other than that would basically be this:

NaruHina coming, Naruto literally just settles for second place out of pity because he could not fulfill his goal for and validation for Sakura. All development is just mere frienship despite it being the deepest and developed pairing, does Naruhina has as many impactful events, no. 615 was Hinata and Kurama getting Naruto back up, the pain event was just her confessing knowing she may not live and well she got steamrolled, all we have seen from this is a mere flashback. Even with 2 big moments, they still don't seemed to have changed much, all it cost was neji unfortunately.

SasuSaku coming, literally blows both their characters away. Destroys Sakuras development and role, puts Sasuke out of character.

Now many would say how does Naruto's love for Sakura merit any worth? Easy NaruSaku is different because it was something on Naruto's character he struggled with, Sakura struggled with him being his friend but also her own love for Sasuke and how she is concerned for him. Did Hinata's love for Naruto have any deep impactful events to the story or his goal? No. NaruHina has had minimal influence on Naruto, even then the whole case of Naruto towards Sakura is Sasuke, he has a goal, something of merit. The only thing Sakura ever asked or requested for him. Sasuke is also for his self validation as hokage. While we are currently worried about what Sasuke could do or Sakura could become, ironically its Sasuke our pairing depends on because Naruto needs him to validate himself.

Other than that, what does NaruSaku just has a much bigger feel of worth for the point they both felt they did not deserve the other. Literally Naruto abandoning his hopes with Sakura or giving up on Sasuke, all would result in him settling out of pity if he went with Hinata.

NaruSaku can happen in one other way though aside from Naruto's self validation when it comes to Sasuke, it would be if Sakura approaches him first, as I said long ago, she is the only one who can make a move. She is aware of Naruto's love for her but it can also be because of her development and if she matures she will go to Naruto not out of pity because she could not get Sasuke, because she would honesty want too. Hell its even possible she could be all friendly with Sasuke near the end but Sasuke could give her the same speech Kakashi gave rin, the I almost let you to die, I'm not the one you should like, I was just a scumbag to you, type speech. Sakura knows Naruto loves her and she is close to him but even then she still shows concern for Naruto, even after the mentioned Durp NaruSaku is dead at 469, well she still showed more concern for him the majority of the in the reunion now didn't she? Even worried Naruto would die. She puts her faith in Naruto knowing he will make things right. Its with her current view of Sasuke and her 615 moment she may change, she can struggle mentally but will she go full maturity and develop over Sasuke due to the whole point of her old crush being idealistic or will she return to it?

There are so many ways to explain this, I don't have time too, is there anyway for NH to come in without damaging the story? SS even?

I don't know about the rest of you but what makes a better story pairing?

NaruSaku: Mutual growth, happiness, saddness, pain, anger, sorrow, and hope on both of them, Naruto loves Sakura while she still loves Sasuke but she puts Naruto above both Sasuke and herself many times, even both knowing a similar pain and feeling undeserving of each other yet still maintaining an incredible relationship. Always going through the best and worst together yet always coming out strong. Millions of ways to explain this.

NaruHina: Hardly developed, mainly one sided, left constantly ambiguous, hardly consistent and makes things harder for the story to stay believeable.

SasuSaku: just pure fanfiction, no amount of writing no jutsu from kishi could convince me that Sasuke can remain believable to suddenly return Sakura's feelings or Sakura reverting to part 1 and sticking with him is just pure barf.

I believe NS will come, I just cannot see any logical way for the others to become canon without harming the story. I'm begging we see something Sakura-Tsunade related, hell Sakura could gain some time of interaction with Hashirama, ironically Naruto is the parallel to Hashirama yet Sakura has a connection to him by being Tsunades student. Even Hinata has no connections to this, this just makes that older Hinata=Hashirama theory just so laughable now. NaruSaku is the only way I can see Sakura's development to end properly, loving Naruto is the only way I see her part to end on team 7's development along with Naruto being hokage, a peacemaker, acknowledged by Sasuke, and Sasuke being back in the village and a better person and forgiven (even by Sakura but just friends with him). I see this being the opposite of when we first saw team 7. That's what development full circle is, a complete reversal of what we were introduced to.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 20 2013, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.........why couldn't sakura just avoid naruto all together and go after sasuke, if she knew he wouldn't give up on sasuke?
what was the point of the confession again?


Maybe she had hope that Naruto would forget Sasuke if he could be with her. Or maybe she just wanted to see him one last time to tell him how she felt before marching to her death.
If she would ignore naruto it would be a lose-lose scenario. This way there was at least a chance.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:40 PM

QUOTE (merryGOflava @ Apr 20 2013, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
.........why couldn't sakura just avoid naruto all together and go after sasuke, if she knew he wouldn't give up on sasuke?
what was the point of the confession again?

Because she cares about his feelings. Even though she knew that he wouldn't stop, she still had try. Because it was irrational, it shows how much she cares for Naruto. Plus if she hadn't Sasuke would have killed her on the spot bc Naruto would not have known that she was in trouble.

Edited by Shadow1275, 20 April 2013 - 06:40 PM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

Whenever I lose a bit of hope in NS, I just read one of Inferno's posts and I'm back to the "green zone." laugh.gif
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