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#17641 Otaru

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:23 AM

Sometimes honest and stubborn inst the opposite of being dishonest and manipulative, that would be deceitfull, dishonest implies that she used it for her own benefit but that would not make sense with the current situation since Sakura had nothing to gain being with Naruto at that time with her unresolved feelings for Naruto and her love for Sasuke.
Manipulative : People can be manipulative with an stubborn expression so sometimes it's the same thing.

About the interview, i'm not sure if it was altered or not, i just dont think he mean that she was honest and said the truth i stick with the fact he depicted an honest and stubborn girl on the confession in her action but not her words.
She acted stubbornish because she knew Naruto knows that she loves Sasuke and the extent of her feeligns but she acted like he didnt knew it and it was some childhood crush, just like the "honest" expression on where she said "i love you", "stop chasing Sasuke" and "I dont care about Sasuke anymore" .
 
That's incorrect, for NS to be canon still needs more development from Sakura's side, on the moment Sakura showed her feelings for Sasuke during the summit, it already nullified the confession.
You cant pick 632 and says that the confession was true, is like "in an hipothetical scenario" NS becomes canon in the end and then claim that on Sakura's confession for Sasuke on part 1 that she's lying.

At the confession moment she wasnt in love with Naruto and still had her feelings for Sasuke, and you cant pick further chapters to prove otherwise because the summit kills any interpretations that she said the truth there.

 

 

I don't agree with the bolded part at all.

It doesn't nullify the confession because Naruto himself sort of accepted it. The fact that he said to his father that Sakura is "more or less" his girlfriend is linked to her confession. He said so because she said that she loves him but they are not technically together yet.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:35 AM

I don't agree with the bolded part at all.
It doesn't nullify the confession because Naruto himself sort of accepted it. The fact that he said to his father that Sakura is "more or less" his girlfriend is linked to her confession. He said so because she said that she loves him but they are not technically together yet.

Depends of the point of view, i think he teased her like he did in other occasions, remember when he basically called her his girlfriend to Konohamaru, and Konohamaru did the same question Minato did.
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("you brats are very perceptive").

Also if he sort of accepted that and honestly viewed her as you suggested there was no reason for him to have become jealous of her interaction with Sasuke during team 7 one chapter fight and there's this past scenario who prevents me from thinking and also Kishimoto's goal, he clearly wanted to make Sakura not asnwer to Minato's question which tells me that on that scene his goal was to prevent delivering any hint about Sakura's feelings so doesnt make sense for me, for him to deliver one with Naruto's quote aside from confirming his feelings for Sakura after 615 and closing the NH talk of Naruto moving on.


For me that scene only showed the fact he still loved Sakura putting down NH argument that Naruto had moved on, any hint of Sakura may had shifted her feelings, Kishimoto cut that off by making Naruto answer the question who was directed to Sakura.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:39 AM

As long as NS ends with SS dying for good i'll be happy (not to sound rude to pro SS people out there who multi-ship or whatever)

I'm not so much worried that NS won't become canon so much as I am that It would be disappointing as long as Kishi is explicit that Sakura has chosen Naruto over Sasuke (not just slightly implied like before) I'll be happy. Thoughts anyone else?

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:48 AM

The outcome of the current situation is simple:

 

If by chance Sakura was well, unfortunate, then other fans would be happy, but I doubt this will happen

 

Otherwise she gets past the rod, the madara situation doesn't kill her, it passes, she lives, many other fans are dissapointed while fans like us will be happy.



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:00 AM

Just got around to reading last week's chapter, looks like we're gonna get some NS



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:26 AM

Depends of the point of view, i think he teased her like he did in other occasions, remember when he basically called her his girlfriend to Konohamaru, and Konohamaru did the same question Minato did.
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("you brats are very perceptive").

Also if he sort of accepted that and honestly viewed her as you suggested there was no reason for him to have become jealous of her interaction with Sasuke during team 7 one chapter fight and there's this past scenario who prevents me from thinking and also Kishimoto's goal, he clearly wanted to make Sakura not asnwer to Minato's question which tells me that on that scene his goal was to prevent delivering any hint about Sakura's feelings so doesnt make sense for me, for him to deliver one with Naruto's quote aside from confirming his feelings for Sakura after 615 and closing the NH talk of Naruto moving on.


For me that scene only showed the fact he still loved Sakura putting down NH argument that Naruto had moved on, any hint of Sakura may had shifted her feelings, Kishimoto cut that off by making Naruto answer the question who was directed to Sakura.

Not really. if you notice, Naruto clearly has a goofy face in most of those panels, indicating that he was just trying to look good.

This time, however, not only is he seriously considering in thinking that question, but he is also speaking to his dad. Do you really think he would try to tease someone else or even joke when his dad is asking this kind of question?

As for the jealous" moment, its obvious that Naruto would do that since he considers Sasuke his rival and of course, because he saved her too.

If its simple, why make it complicated?

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:41 AM

Just got around to reading last week's chapter, looks like we're gonna get some NS


Based on what?

Depends of the point of view, i think he teased her like he did in other occasions, remember when he basically called her his girlfriend to Konohamaru, and Konohamaru did the same question Minato did.
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http://www.mangaread...chapter-34.html
("you brats are very perceptive").

Also if he sort of accepted that and honestly viewed her as you suggested there was no reason for him to have become jealous of her interaction with Sasuke during team 7 one chapter fight and there's this past scenario who prevents me from thinking and also Kishimoto's goal, he clearly wanted to make Sakura not asnwer to Minato's question which tells me that on that scene his goal was to prevent delivering any hint about Sakura's feelings so doesnt make sense for me, for him to deliver one with Naruto's quote aside from confirming his feelings for Sakura after 615 and closing the NH talk of Naruto moving on.


For me that scene only showed the fact he still loved Sakura putting down NH argument that Naruto had moved on, any hint of Sakura may had shifted her feelings, Kishimoto cut that off by making Naruto answer the question who was directed to Sakura.


I don't really see the similarities between the two, in one of them naruto is confidently joking/boasting/lying about him and Sakura's relationship to look cool in front of Konohamaru while in the next we see that he is legitimately thinking it over first, and in all honesty I'm more inclined to believe where Naruto believes they stand in their relationship than Sakura since ever since ever since the kage summit arc her feelings became so torn and ambiguous I don't even she knows where their relationship stands. And ofcourse its possible that since Sakura didn't have a chance to answer it could mean that Kishi is keeping where she thinks they stand in the relationship to be as of yet unknown which could imply that she would have given a similar answer though I'm just overthinking things again after all people said the same thing about 540.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:47 AM

I don't really see the similarities between the two, in one of them naruto is confidently joking/boasting/lying about him and Sakura's relationship to look cool in front of Konohamaru while in the next we see that he is legitimately thinking it over first, and in all honesty I'm more inclined to believe where Naruto believes they stand in their relationship than Sakura since ever since ever since the kage summit arc her feelings became so torn and ambiguous I don't even she knows where their relationship stands. And ofcourse its possible that since Sakura didn't have a chance to answer it could mean that Kishi is keeping where she thinks they stand in the relationship to be as of yet unknown which could imply that she would have given a similar answer though I'm just overthinking things again after all people said the same thing about 540.

One thing is sure, it's that this scene was meant to make the reader laugh, but I think Naruto wasn't saying this just to tease Sakura or anything like that. Because you're right, the fact that he said "Uhm... Uhm? Uhm." Shows that he was first thinking about something, then it looks like he remembers something or realized something and that's what makes him responds "something like that". 

That part is what makes this scene doubtable about Naruto's seriousness in my opinion, more than the expression of his face. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:10 AM

Minato:are u naruto's girlfriend?(meant to sakura)
Naruto: um..um..*flashback about sakura confession* yeah, more or less of it.
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:42 AM

Minato:are u naruto's girlfriend?(meant to sakura)
Naruto: um..um..*flashback about sakura confession* yeah, more or less of it.

I don't know if that's what makes him say more or less, but he was thinking about something. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 06:52 AM

Like what?
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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:12 AM

Minato:are u naruto's girlfriend?(meant to sakura)
Naruto: um..um..*flashback about sakura confession* yeah, more or less of it.

 

imo was joke and a wishing thinking of naruto



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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:30 AM

 

imo was joke and a wishing thinking of naruto

Then what was that "Uhm? Uhm!"? What did he realized after having thought about something?

I admit that the scene itself was comic for the reader but Naruto's words were not. 


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 07:34 AM

I don't know if that's what makes him say more or less, but he was thinking about something. 

This is partly correct. 'More or less' meant that, they were like a couple but not officially, like they hadn't confessed to each other yet. To make it simple:

 

Minato: Is she your girlfriend?

Naruto: Yeah, you can say that, in a way. 

 

'More or less' meant that, Sakura was like his girlfriend, but not officially. As in, if you are in a committed relationship, its taken for granted that you are going to get married. People already know, you guys are going to be husband and wife. So, when we ask the question to the guy, "Whether she is your wife", his reply that "Its more or less true" implies that she is his wife, but not officially, they are yet to get married. You OFFICIALLY become husband or wife when you get married just like Naruto and Sakura would OFFICIALLY become a couple when they both CONFESS to each other. In the same way, here, Sakura was sort of his girlfriend, but since they didn't have a proper confession yet, she was like his girlfriend, but NOT his girlfriend OFFICIALLY!


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:19 AM

Not really. if you notice, Naruto clearly has a goofy face in most of those panels, indicating that he was just trying to look good.

This time, however, not only is he seriously considering in thinking that question, but he is also speaking to his dad. Do you really think he would try to tease someone else or even joke when his dad is asking this kind of question?

As for the jealous" moment, its obvious that Naruto would do that since he considers Sasuke his rival and of course, because he saved her too.

If its simple, why make it complicated?

I'm not making it complicated.
That panel is bad drawn, and even if you bring "why he would tease her in front of his dad and etc.."
There's the precedent i posted, i dont think he was seriously because the scene is discarded so fast that there's the impression that it didnt existed on the first place, the only thing i took from there was Naruto's feelings for Sakura.
 

Based on what?
I don't really see the similarities between the two, in one of them naruto is confidently joking/boasting/lying about him and Sakura's relationship to look cool in front of Konohamaru while in the next we see that he is legitimately thinking it over first, and in all honesty I'm more inclined to believe where Naruto believes they stand in their relationship than Sakura since ever since ever since the kage summit arc her feelings became so torn and ambiguous I don't even she knows where their relationship stands. And ofcourse its possible that since Sakura didn't have a chance to answer it could mean that Kishi is keeping where she thinks they stand in the relationship to be as of yet unknown which could imply that she would have given a similar answer though I'm just overthinking things again after all people said the same thing about 540.

So Naruto's wall of "Sakura loves Sasuke" was broken and went to space off panel when the summit showed the otherwise, his melancholic tone and sadness over Sakura loving Sasuke all was blown without the readers noticing it?
He saying that "Sakura loves Sasuke too much" and even Sai saying that she's going to kill Sasuke because she loves him like some lovers suicide, what?
 

Then what was that "Uhm? Uhm!"? What did he realized after having thought about something?
I admit that the scene itself was comic for the reader but Naruto's words were not.

I agree, i think his words were not but i dont think it meant that he says that she loves him but rather his way of telling his father that she's the girl he likes.

Also if he firmly believed that why he didnt let her respond? Since obviously the question was directed to her not him.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 10:58 AM

Depends of the point of view, i think he teased her like he did in other occasions, remember when he basically called her his girlfriend to Konohamaru, and Konohamaru did the same question Minato did.
http://i16.mangaread...uto-1565485.jpg
http://www.mangaread...chapter-34.html
("you brats are very perceptive").

Also if he sort of accepted that and honestly viewed her as you suggested there was no reason for him to have become jealous of her interaction with Sasuke during team 7 one chapter fight and there's this past scenario who prevents me from thinking and also Kishimoto's goal, he clearly wanted to make Sakura not asnwer to Minato's question which tells me that on that scene his goal was to prevent delivering any hint about Sakura's feelings so doesnt make sense for me, for him to deliver one with Naruto's quote aside from confirming his feelings for Sakura after 615 and closing the NH talk of Naruto moving on.


For me that scene only showed the fact he still loved Sakura putting down NH argument that Naruto had moved on, any hint of Sakura may had shifted her feelings, Kishimoto cut that off by making Naruto answer the question who was directed to Sakura.

 

IMO he didn't tease her this time. That's one major NaruHina shippers argument, and I think it's completely false. Naruto was serious, and this discussion with his father is just like japanese tradition when parents are blessing an union. To me the episode with Minato was here ONLY to parallell Sakura with Kushina and to give an occasion to Minato to bless NaruSaku because he will be really dead after the war and he will not come back. This was the only occasion.

The ultimate goal of this event was this. Not hiding Sakura's feelings even if it came with the package.

 

Those past events with Konohamaru are important too, even if Naruto was kind of teasing Sakura. IMO he didn't really tease her, he just let out his wish when Konohamaru asked for it. It's just like when he was bragging about becoming hokage. Naruto is like that, he voices his wishes like it's bound to happen. You see what I mean ?

 

I think he "sort of" accepted it, not fully accepted it. So it's logical that he could still  be jealous of Sasuke. He said "more or less". It's not here yet and he knows that. But IMO, the jealousy episode with Sasuke was serving team7 nostalgia above everything else.

 

 

 

Also if he firmly believed that why he didnt let her respond? Since obviously the question was directed to her not him.

 

I think from here you're starting to overthinking.

We must see this as Kishimoto wanted it to appear. We must ask ourselves why did Kishomoto write it like that ?

The purpose of this scene was paralleling Sakura with Kushina.

Naruto responded in her place, Sakura reacted violently, Minato compared her to his wife.

Kishimoto made Naruto respond in her place to trigger her violent reaction and Minato's impression about her.

 

This scene is so out of place LOL

 

That's why NaruHina believe it's all a joke.

Because it's war and it's weird to come to this, to be honest. Even us wouldn't dare to expect something like that it was only a dream lol.

 

But yet, Kishimoto did it.

 

Kishimoto did it because he wanted to parallel Sakura and Kushina. Because he wants NaruSaku.


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 11:45 AM

IMO he didn't tease her this time. That's one major NaruHina shippers argument, and I think it's completely false. Naruto was serious, and this discussion with his father is just like japanese tradition when parents are blessing an union. To me the episode with Minato was here ONLY to parallell Sakura with Kushina and to give an occasion to Minato to bless NaruSaku because he will be really dead after the war and he will not come back. This was the only occasion.

I dont care if it's a major NH argument or not.
Even if it's NH or not, they are wrong because saying it's a tease doesnt downplay Naruto's feelings, the purpose of the scne was comically connect Kushina and Minato but it revealed that Naruto's feelings still stand there, cant take the argument that he sort of accepted her confession when he rejected it and Sai enforced the fact on him that Sakura was doing it for Sasuke and his thinking about SS.
It's just doesnt make sense to me that he accepted her confession off panel.
 

The ultimate goal of this event was this. Not hiding Sakura's feelings even if it came with the package.

Kishimoto's goal on romance subplot is to hide her feelings to keep pairing drama despite obviously she still has feelings for Sasuke as expected since she hasnt resolved her feelings i believe only in the end when the war is over she's going to resolve it.
 

Those past events with Konohamaru are important too, even if Naruto was kind of teasing Sakura. IMO he didn't really tease her, he just let out his wish when Konohamaru asked for it. It's just like when he was bragging about becoming hokage. Naruto is like that, he voices his wishes like it's bound to happen. You see what I mean ?

I think the precedent is no matter if someome calls her his girlfriend his father or his friends the asnwer is the same.
 

I think he "sort of" accepted it, not fully accepted it. So it's logical that he could still  be jealous of Sasuke. He said "more or less". It's not here yet and he knows that. But IMO, the jealousy episode with Sasuke was serving team7 nostalgia above everything else.
 
I think from here you're starting to overthinking.
We must see this as Kishimoto wanted it to appear. We must ask ourselves why did Kishomoto write it like that ?
The purpose of this scene was paralleling Sakura with Kushina.
Naruto responded in her place, Sakura reacted violently, Minato compared her to his wife.
Kishimoto made Naruto respond in her place to trigger her violent reaction and Minato's impression about her.
 
This scene is so out of place LOL
 
That's why NaruHina believe it's all a joke.
Because it's war and it's weird to come to this, to be honest. Even us wouldn't dare to expect something like that it was only a dream lol.
 
But yet, Kishimoto did it.
 
Kishimoto did it because he wanted to parallel Sakura and Kushina. Because he wants NaruSaku.

If the purpose was just to parallel Kushina and Sakura why keep saying that "he sort of accepted her confession" when there's inconsistences with Naruto's beliefs and his wall about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

 

That's why NaruHina believe it's all a joke.

This is NH damage control they say it to ignore the scene without looking at the obvious fact Naruto still loves her because they need to support the idea Naruto is moving on and accepted that she will never love him romantically.

In short i agree with you guys but i dont think he accepted her confession, i dont think he meant that to say that he believes they have some sort of relationship.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 12:11 PM

I dont care if it's a major NH argument or not.
Even if it's NH or not, they are wrong because saying it's a tease doesnt downplay Naruto's feelings, the purpose of the scne was comically connect Kushina and Minato but it revealed that Naruto's feelings still stand there, cant take the argument that he sort of accepted her confession when he rejected it and Sai enforced the fact on him that Sakura was doing it for Sasuke and his thinking about SS.
It's just doesnt make sense to me that he accepted her confession off panel.
 
Kishimoto's goal on romance subplot is to hide her feelings to keep pairing drama despite obviously she still has feelings for Sasuke as expected since she hasnt resolved her feelings i believe only in the end when the war is over she's going to resolve it.
 
I think the precedent is no matter if someome calls her his girlfriend his father or his friends the asnwer is the same.
 
If the purpose was just to parallel Kushina and Sakura why keep saying that "he sort of accepted her confession" when there's inconsistences with Naruto's beliefs and his wall about Sakura's feelings for Sasuke.

 
This is NH damage control they say it to ignore the scene without looking at the obvious fact Naruto still loves her because they need to support the idea Naruto is moving on and accepted that she will never love him romantically.

In short i agree with you guys but i dont think he accepted her confession, i dont think he meant that to say that he believes they have some sort of relationship.

I don't think he accepted her confession netiher. I'm just wondering what he was thinking about when he said "uhm?Uhm!" What was there between the "?" and the "!" in is head? Why didn't he just said "more or less" without any reflexion time?


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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:09 PM

One thing is sure, it's that this scene was meant to make the reader laugh


I'm not arguing that, it was a comical moment there's no getting around that. Still Kishi went out of his way to give us atleast 3 major NS hints in one page, all triggered by Minato going off a baseless assumption. IMO Naruto wasn't thinking of any moment specifically (otherwise Kishi would have shown it) he was likely just reflecting on all the time he has spent with Sakura ever since he came back to the village, which all the more reason proves he was being honest about it. The "something like that/Well that's more or less it" shows where he thinks his relationship with her stands. To him they are technically a couple but have yet to officially become boyfriend/girlfriend

@Darkreset The argument that Naruto responded for her because he would be afraid she would say otherwise is a baseless assumption not to mention illogical since he knows how violent Sakura can be first hand not to mention she could just openly deny it anyway, so him answering for her really wouldn't bring any kind of solution. As for other response, Naruto knows Sakura loves Sasuke but that doesn't really matter if anything it shows how aware Naruto is that SS is about as far from a threat as anything else.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 02:16 PM

I don't think he accepted her confession netiher. I'm just wondering what he was thinking about when he said "uhm?Uhm!" What was there between the "?" and the "!" in is head? Why didn't he just said "more or less" without any reflexion time?

That is what I am wondering about too. What he thought about during that moment made him say that Sakura was more or less his girlfriend. Made me wonder what particular thing he thought about.


On another note....I need a medical expert.
Does anybody know the reason why my headache becomes unbearably painful added with a sudden urge to puke when I lie down? Maybe I ate something bad. It would be great if anybody might have the experience regarding this.
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