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[Branden]

@Branden: Are you seeing Smoker in my sig where I have Tashigi at? Send me a PM of the 5 people you see in my sig please.

that one....

[FoolishYoungling]

that one....

That's part 2(time-skip) Tashigi.

I get what you're saying about it being Smoker though. (body swap)

[HauntedCake]

I'm not worried about NH as much. Doesn't have enough to threaten NS. SS however is going to bea problem due to Sasuke's mood swings and sakuras feelings for him. I think kishi will test Sakura and hopefully have her get over sasuke.

[Branden]

That's part 2(time-skip) Tashigi.

I get what you're saying about it being Smoker though. (body swap)

so then my question still stands, why do you have a picture of smoker?

[T XD]

I'm not worried about NH as much. Doesn't have enough to threaten NS. SS however is going to bea problem due to Sasuke's mood swings and sakuras feelings for him. I think kishi will test Sakura and hopefully have her get over sasuke.

I think Kishi will not have her get over Sasuke yet. I see it in the last battle. Though, we may see her thoughts or something, and having her already moved on. When Sakura sees Sasuke now, we may see how her feelings have changed or what she thinks of him. Sakura is already on the set or in the process of moving on since she thought of him in a negative light.

By the way, I think Minato will meet Sakura and say something to her or to Naruto or both. He'll get to talk with Naruto, but there's also other people he can talk to or meet.

Edited by T XD, 20 April 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[Slextrem]

@Slextrem

Mistaking me for FrenchmyToast? Thanks a lot, I thought you, strider, and I were a team remember?

So much for that

I'm sorry! It was 1:00 am and I was groggy!

so then my question still stands, why do you have a picture of smoker?

Maybe because his attire fits with what the other girls are wearing.

Edited by Slextrem, 20 April 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

He could of went even further with her but it's like he slowed it down quite a bit. Sakura has always had potential to be a truly amazing heroine. I can understand why some question this. Kishi does more with her character than the other females so of course, mixed responses are bound to happen. When you have a character like Hinata who's pretty much all sweet, and pretty much "perfect", you don't get much out of her IMO. And then her focus is pretty much solely Naruto so of course, she's a limited character.

He could write even further, but I have to ask how much more must he need to write before Sakura gets noticed? Even us the NS seem to forget how much of an impact Sakura makes. Look at Slextrem's build up thread. Look how everyone seems to forget how much Sakura was there and then renew their faith because they forgot so much. I swear we the fans have blown so many things out of proportion with the NH fans making an even bigger racket. If I had an NS or NH explain to me the manga that is Naruto, I bet you it wouldn't even be close to what the actual manga is.

NH fans make it seem like Hinata was always there and yet flipping through the pages she hardly was ever there. Maybe two moments she was actually "there." Every other time Naruto always ended up going to her and saving her like a damsel in distress. NS fans cry that Sakura needs more attention yet she has been a good portion of attention since the beginning. Her confession and the pages following was basically following her. We get a NH moment in the last 20 chapters and we blow it out of proportion making it seem like this makes such a huge impact. Then we have the NH who downright deny all things NS related because they refuse to see the manga for what it is. Blinded by pairing goggles.

Reality speaking, it isn't as bad as people think it is. So we haven't seen Sakura do anything lately Naruto related. I am glad she isn't. This means she is more than just a pairing fodder. If she sucked off leeched off Naruto like Hinata leeched off him, I would hate her even more. I would say she is just another pretty face in the crowd, but I know within my heart she is a strong willed woman you don't want to piss off who will one day be as, if not more, powerful than Tsunade and we know how BA she is.

I don't see any future for Hinata at all. Not even leader of her clan. Knowing her, she would probably deny it just so she could spend time with Naruto which is bad. She has no other focus or dreams. She has no other ambitions. It would have been nice if we had this story where, even if she gave up the leadership, she gave it to Neji because she felt he was better. This breaks down the previous Hyuuga history and says "Yes, Neji's family are not outcasts anymore. They are equal, not lesser."

I mean, please my friends, realize this. Look at how you all reacted to Slextrem's thread. Are we gonna let whatever happened in 615 overplay everything that has happened? I understand you want Sakura to have one more feat of strength. I understand you want one last time to see her stretch her stuff before the final battle, but don't forget everything Sakura has done and all the strength she has shown throughout the entire manga. NH already neglects these facts, let's not be that way either. We're so busy wanting a moment recently and whining about one that we forgot everything that has happened.

I never forgot what Sakura has done. I never forgot what she said in 573 that I still believe blew away the lover-nin scene. Sakura is aware of what the future will bring and she has chosen to side with Naruto. "No matter what you say, we're going to be together..." I felt more enlightened than Hinata's "I am gonna hold your hand" speech. It's just goes to show how much Sakura really knows Naruto and how little Hinata knows. I don't even think of the lover-nin scene anymore because of 573. That's how much of an impact that scene has made on me.

We have to stop forgetting the road we took to get to this point.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 April 2013 - 02:30 PM.

[Codus N]

The major point is, has there been some feedback from Naruto in their relationship and vice versa?? Back in part I, Sakura mostly stayed as an observer to Naruto's growth. Come part II, the relationship has become a two-way relationship. But after Pain arc, everything started to go downhill. The biggest problem here is consistency. Honestly, I agree with xxRGxx's assessment that 540 and 615 is sooo unnecessary this late in the game.

If Kishi wanted to do something like those two chapters, he should've done it in the previous arcs not in the FINAL FREAKIN' ARC!!! by throwing those two chapters this late in the game, Kishi is ruining the consistency & quality of his characters.

[James S Cassidy]

The major point is, has there been some feedback from Naruto in their relationship and vice versa?? Back in part I, Sakura mostly stayed as an observer to Naruto's growth. Come part II, the relationship has become a two-way relationship. But after Pain arc, everything started to go downhill. The biggest problem here is consistency. Honestly, I agree with xxRGxx's assessment that 540 and 615 is sooo unnecessary this late in the game.

If Kishi wanted to do something like those two chapters, he should've done it in the previous arcs not in the FINAL FREAKIN' ARC!!! by throwing those two chapters this late in the game, Kishi is ruining the consistency & quality of his characters.

You're acting like they are already a pair and they are not.

When has Naruto put forth ANY notion to ANY relationship. I don't care what Hinata does to Naruto because he has yet to do anything back. Even if Hinata and Sakura stripped in front of him, Naruto will not think he deserves it because he is too hung up on Sasuke. When Sasuke is finally dealt with, only then will see Naruto react.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 April 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[Codus N]

That's the freakin' problem. SASUKE. Honestly, Kishi's biggest failure is Sasuke, period. He's the character that ruins the entire manga for me.

And please stop making assumptions. I have repeated this a million times:

Do I want NH canon?? No.

Are they canon now?? No, at least not yet (depends...)

Would I accept it if they were canon?? Yes, (given the right reasons)

[StrikerTheNoble]

You're acting like they are already a pair and they are not.

When has Naruto put forth ANY notion to ANY relationship. I don't care what Hinata does to Naruto because he has yet to do anything back. Even if Hinata and Sakura stripped in front of him, Naruto will not think he deserves it because he is too hung up on Sasuke. When Sasuke is finally dealt with, only then will see Naruto react.

If Sakura were to strip in front of Naruto I think he would forget about Sasuke a bit don`t you. Maybe he would perhaps even notice that Hinata is there. I agree the only Relationship that Naruto has put anything into is NS. Anything else is just NH fanfiction.

That's the freakin' problem. SASUKE. Honestly, Kishi's biggest failure is Sasuke, period. He's the character that ruins the entire manga for me.

And please stop making assumptions. I have repeated this a million times:

Do I want NH canon?? No.

Are they canon now?? No, at least not yet (depends...)

Would I accept it if they were canon?? Yes, (given the right reasons)

Why so angry? Let me ask you this. If Sasuke were to never exist where would NS be. Maybe cannon maybe it wouldnt even exist. Because it was Naruto`s lack of skills and Sasuke`s "genius status" combined with Sakura being average that made team 7 possible. Without team 7 NS would severly lack chances. And it was his hunt for Sasuke that gave us some of the finer NS moments. Sasuke did just as many good things for NS as he did bad. And if it wasn`t for Sasuke... Where would the manga be? What would be Naruto`s drive? Who knows.

[James S Cassidy]

That's the freakin' problem. SASUKE. Honestly, Kishi's biggest failure is Sasuke, period. He's the character that ruins the entire manga for me.

And please stop making assumptions. I have repeated this a million times:

Do I want NH canon?? No.

Are they canon now?? No, at least not yet (depends...)

Would I accept it if they were canon?? Yes, (given the right reasons)

I make assumptions because you make assumptions all the time, Codus. You are being completely pessimistic thinking the whole world comes to an end because of one scene. Every time someone brings hope or some encouragement, you come in with this huge downer and be like "Well, we can't ignore facts and blah blah blah" and just utterly want to beat down anyone who is optimistic. You know how many people left this forum because you brought them down?

If you want me to stop making assumptions, then stop being so pessimistic every time someone tries to bring hope back to the forum. I am aware of the facts and everything else, but I still have faith. No, I am NOT in denial that you always assume everyone is. So the only person who needs to stop assuming is you.

I have repeated stuff millions of times too and you still don't listen or seem to only get half the information brought forth. You want to feel negative about this whole ordeal, be my guest, but stop bringing everyone else down.

If Sakura were to strip in front of Naruto I think he would forget about Sasuke a bit don`t you. Maybe he would perhaps even notice that Hinata is there. I agree the only Relationship that Naruto has put anything into is NS. Anything else is just NH fanfiction.

Yeah, Naruto is not THAT stupid, but still I don't think he will pursue any relationship until Sasuke is dealt with. It is not just because of Sakura, but also himself as well. He says so himself: "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?" He is a man who also wants to die for Sasuke before anything else. This doesn't mean NH is canon nor NS. It just means Naruto is too focused. Which is also a bad thing, but this is a different story.

Again, we all pay attention to what Sakura and Hinata do, but Naruto is not gonna choose either one of them until he brings Sasuke back. So no matter what either one of them does, Naruto will still go after Sasuke.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 20 April 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Just few more days before the final train starts. Well final for many depending where it goes. It's been a while the shivering comes to me since the release of 616.

[Codus N]

Why so angry? Let me ask you this. If Sasuke were to never exist where would NS be. Maybe cannon maybe it wouldnt even exist. Because it was Naruto`s lack of skills and Sasuke`s "genius status" combined with Sakura being average that made team 7 possible. Without team 7 NS would severly lack chances. And it was his hunt for Sasuke that gave us some of the finer NS moments. Sasuke did just as many good things for NS as he did bad. And if it wasn`t for Sasuke... Where would the manga be? What would be Naruto`s drive? Who knows.

The problem with Sasuke is not just because he's in the way, so to speak. But it's because he brings out the worst in Team 7. He brings out the worst in Naruto by making him obsessed about him and blind to his surroundings when he doesn't deserve it. He brings out the worst in Sakura by turning her into a mindless fangirl with little to no concern for the rest of her teammates (at least in part I, anyways). He brings out the worst in Kakashi as well, by making him play favorites. Not to mention that he reminds him of his past self which later served as one of his driving guilt complexes.

I thought the whole theme of this manga was to have Naruto overcome his struggles by gaining bonds and the support of various people. Team 7 is supposed to be his pillar of support, and yet, I see none of that. If you're going to talk about Team 7, then Sasuke is included, but I don't see Sasuke as that pillar of support for him, much like Sakura and Kakashi. He's become more of an obstacle. If it was pure rivalry then fine, but Kishi played it up too much to the point he's become an antagonist in the story.

Lastly, the reason I'm angry is that I have to keep repeating myself to people to make it clear where my position is and they still don't get it.

@James: You're putting words in my mouth. I am offering a more neutral view on things. The problem I have with some people is that they keep trying to downplay 615. Honestly, I don't get this view sometimes. If I look at everything in face value and from a neutral perspective, both have a good chance of becoming canon. What I don't get is how some people refuse the idea of it. It's like Naruto refusing the idea Sasuke is evil, when in fact he's killing people under his nose.

Edited by Codus N, 20 April 2013 - 03:44 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

I make assumptions because you make assumptions all the time, Codus. You are being completely pessimistic thinking the whole world comes to an end because of one scene. Every time someone brings hope or some encouragement, you come in with this huge downer and be like \"Well, we can\'t ignore facts and blah blah blah\" and just utterly want to beat down anyone who is optimistic. You know how many people left this forum because you brought them down?

If you want me to stop making assumptions, then stop being so pessimistic every time someone tries to bring hope back to the forum. I am aware of the facts and everything else, but I still have faith. No, I am NOT in denial that you always assume everyone is. So the only person who needs to stop assuming is you.

I have repeated stuff millions of times too and you still don\'t listen or seem to only get half the information brought forth. You want to feel negative about this whole ordeal, be my guest, but stop bringing everyone else down.

+1

Yeah, Naruto is not THAT stupid, but still I don\'t think he will pursue any relationship until Sasuke is dealt with. It is not just because of Sakura, but also himself as well. He says so himself: \"How can I when I can\'t even keep my promises?\" He is a man who also wants to die for Sasuke before anything else. This doesn\'t mean NH is canon nor NS. It just means Naruto is too focused. Which is also a bad thing, but this is a different story.

Again, we all pay attention to what Sakura and Hinata do, but Naruto is not gonna choose either one of them until he brings Sasuke back. So no matter what either one of them does, Naruto will still go after Sasuke.

If Sakura did that during the confession would he come back with her? I wonder.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 20 April 2013 - 03:44 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

If Sakura did that during the confession would he come back with her? I wonder.

Sakura: MY BODY IS READY!!!

Okay, jokes aside, I find that if Sasuke wasn't in the picture then he would have accepted Sakura's confession. I do think NS would have played out the same way Minato and Kushina did if Sasuke didn't exist. It would just take a much shorter time.

I still wonder something, why is chapter 540 such a huge significance, but 573 isn't? I still think 573 is a much more powerful scene than 540.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Sakura: MY BODY IS READY!!!

Okay, jokes aside, I find that if Sasuke wasn't in the picture then he would have accepted Sakura's confession. I do think NS would have played out the same way Minato and Kushina did if Sasuke didn't exist. It would just take a much shorter time.

I still wonder something, why is chapter 540 such a huge significance, but 573 isn't? I still think 573 is a much more powerful scene than 540.

Naruto: IM AT YOUR COMMAND.

And then NS would happen, Sakura wouldn`t almost get killed and whatnot.

Yea but a complete MK version of NS would be hard because who would kindap Sakura? (besides Naruto jk) Kushina fell in love with him because he saved her. Maybe if the Gaara fight still happened but its a big if.

[Dkey]

Sasuke also brings the best. It was Sasukes condition as an orphan that pushed Naruto to get acknowlegdged by the villagers. Later when Sasuke left all of Narutos training was also directed at saving him.

[James S Cassidy]

Naruto: IM AT YOUR COMMAND.

And then NS would happen, Sakura wouldn`t almost get killed and whatnot.

Yea but a complete MK version of NS would be hard because who would kindap Sakura? (besides Naruto jk) Kushina fell in love with him because he saved her. Maybe if the Gaara fight still happened but its a big if.

Well, you could just have Neji fight Gaara. It really matters little who fought Gaara so long as he still kidnaps Sakura and holds her hostage. In fact, Sasuke hardly did anything in that fight. Naruto did most of it.

[StrikerTheNoble]

Well, you could just have Neji fight Gaara. It really matters little who fought Gaara so long as he still kidnaps Sakura and holds her hostage. In fact, Sasuke hardly did anything in that fight. Naruto did most of it.

Actually thats not what I meant. It was Sasuke that made Gaara go rampage. And Naruto and Sakura only went after them because Kakashi told him to. if those conditions weren`t met than Sakura would never have been captured and Naruto would never have saved her. Things on that day had to happen the way they happened.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 20 April 2013 - 04:35 PM.