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[rocci]

I'm only basing on people opinion. That's all. But they think we American don't like its art style.

No, I mean is that from New York Times best sell list.

[Aizen-Sama]

 

Not to mention Sasuke also hated Itachi as much as he loved him and admired him, which motivated him; the fact he wanted to be strong like Itachi, but also jealous because of Fugaku paying attention to him more due to the coup.

 

Err... jealousy is not the same thing as hatred.  You can be jealous of a sibling but not hate them.  I think Sasuke started hating Itachi AFTER he killed their family, for obvious reasons.

[AHK]

I agree.   I don't like when fans compare Naruto's tragedy to Sasuke's tragedy as they were completely different.  Naruto never had parents to begin with and while that is horrible, it is not the same as actually having them for your childhood, loving them, and suddenly having them murdered in front of you.  Sasuke's grief is based on how much he loved his family while Naruto is more driven by loneliness and the need for acceptance.  Sasuke wants to be understood and wants no one else but his family.
Personally I think Sasuke's tragedy was worse since his parents deaths' were horrible and he was mislead into killing his own brother.  At least Naruto's parents died accepting their death and holding their son and he got to speak to them again through the Kyuubi so there was a bit more closure there.

I don't think Sasuke's comes close. His family getting murdered was bad, yes, but at least he had a chance at happiness afterwards. He was basically the prince of the village. Naruto never had any family and was discriminated against and ostracized through no fault of his own. Hiruzen put him in an apartment all by himself, and that's how he spent his time, because no one would ever go near him. Sasuke was the complete opposite, he was never alone, he just pushed everyone away on his own free will. Sasuke was nothing more than a brat.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No, I mean is that from New York Times best sell list.

Oh. Ok.

http://www.animenews...ril-5-11/.87222

A bit surprised to see Fairy Tail went up rather than down. That usually happen. What? Did the latest chapter wake them up?

Seriously...Who doesn't have volume 1 of AoT already?...

Eyes off me...

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 18 April 2015 - 03:16 AM.

[rocci]

Oh. Ok.

http://www.animenews...ril-5-11/.87222

A bit surprised to see Fairy Tail went up rather than down. That usually happen. What? Did the latest chapter wake them up?

Seriously...Who doesn't have volume 1 of AoT already?...

Eyes off me...

Thanks ^^

Wow there is no naruto, how could that happen?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Thanks ^^

Wow there is no naruto, how could that happen?

Taste happened.

[trang95]

Oh. Ok.

http://www.animenews...ril-5-11/.87222

A bit surprised to see Fairy Tail went up rather than down. That usually happen. What? Did the latest chapter wake them up?

Seriously...Who doesn't have volume 1 of AoT already?...

Eyes off me...

Imao, I finally got volume 1 this year

[BlackBird19]

No one can really say who had it worse. Sasuke knew love and Naruto didn't. Sasuke knew acceptance and Naruto didn't. Sasuke knew what happened to his family and that one tragic event damaged him. Naruto knew nothing of his family. He didn't know if they died or just outright abandoned him which hurt his psyche. Sasuke tormented himself with the memory of one horrific night. Naruto was tormented by an entire village for years for something he had no knowledge of that occurred in one tragic night. So you can't say which is worse. Sasuke dealing with PTSD from the tragedy that befell his family or Naruto who endured what was implied as years of verbal, emotional and even some physical abuse by your home village. You can only judge them by the choices made in their lives and hold them accountable for said choices.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Imao, I finally got volume 1 this year

I'll get it soon. I am planning to get volumes again. Of course, anticipated for TG. Two more months. Please don't make it hip and urban. No "Wassup, yo" or anything like that. I remember Naruto volume 1 had Sakura saying "I don't have T&A to please" or something like that. Why...

[Aizen-Sama]

I don't think Sasuke's comes close. His family getting murdered was bad, yes, but at least he had a chance at happiness afterwards. He was basically the prince of the village. Naruto never had any family and was discriminated against and ostracized through no fault of his own. Hiruzen put him in an apartment all by himself, and that's how he spent his time, because no one would ever go near him. Sasuke was the complete opposite, he was never alone, he just pushed everyone away on his own free will. Sasuke was nothing more than a brat.

 

Well popularity with girls and the village's love and care doesn't replace a person's family or console the trauma they went through.  Naruto wanted all that stuff but Sasuke couldn't give less a kitten.  He wanted what he couldn't have-- his dead family.

Naruto wanted parents too but his #1 dream was to become Hokage not raise the dead or get revenge.  I do agree,, he was treated like kitten which confirms to me that personalities do play a role.  If Sasuke had been put in Naruto's place being scorned by the village and growing up lonely, I still think he would've turned out bad.

[Shadow1275]

Thanks ^^

Wow there is no naruto, how could that happen?

Bc the NH "high" is crashing and they are starting to realize how bad the series truly is now

Edited by Shadow1275, 18 April 2015 - 03:33 AM.

[WhyDoIWatch]

@WhyDoIWatch: I never said Sasuke was crazy as a child. I said he had the predisposition to be what he became later on. Yes he saved Naruto in LOW arc and yes he helped somewhat in the Garra fight. But all that shows is he had a choice. To stay and deal with his past in a better way or choose to betray those close to him and seek out power.  He made his choice, therefore he should be held accountable. Not constantly having excuses made for him. Over 90% of all serial killers have a tragic past, should we feel sorry for all of them. And he could've saved Karin because she was still useful to him. Kage summit arc alluded to that. Once she was no longer useful, he discarded her.

He was slowly moving on from his vengeance but three things led to a downward spiral that caused him to leave the village

 

1) Itachi came and tortured him, he doesn't even try fighting him and shows Sasuke the difference in strength. Sasuke wonders what he has been doing at the Leaf.

 

2) Itachi saying he was interested in Naruto more than Sasuke, and that emphasizes Sasuke superiority/inferiority complex with Naruto, he thinks how a failure like Naruto is able to catch up and be stronger than him.

 

3) Orochimaru placing the Curse Mark.

 

4) The Sound Nina coming, after Kakashi gave Sasuke a "talk", Sasuke thinks abut it and IMO probably would have stopped if not for the Sound 4.

 

He risked his life for Karin, Karin was still useful in the Kage Arc. Kage Arc was made to show Sasuke going into the darkness which means he wouldn't have doe the same f**cked up kitten if he wasn't under the COH.

 

As for Sob Story=/=Free Pass, I whole-heartedly agree but Sasuke's crimes aren't big enough to not be forgiven, he saved the world, took out Akatsuki members, and released prisoners from Orochimaru, killing Samurai isn't that big of a crime, that these things wouldn't redeem him.

Edited by WhyDoIWatch, 18 April 2015 - 03:39 AM.

[AHK]

He was slowly moving on from his vengeance but three things led to a downward spiral that caused him to leave the village
 
1) Itachi came and tortured him, he doesn't even try fighting him and shows Sasuke the difference in strength. Sasuke wonders what he has been doing at the Leaf.
 
2) Itachi saying he was interested in Naruto more than Sasuke, and that emphasizes Sasuke superiority/inferiority complex with Naruto, he thinks how a failure like Naruto is able to catch up and be stronger than him.
 
3) Orochimaru placing the Curse Mark.
 
4) The Sound Nina coming, after Kakashi gave Sasuke a "talk", Sasuke thinks abut it and IMO probably would have stopped if not for the Sound 4.
 
He risked his life for Karin, Karin was still useful in the Kage Arc. Kage Arc was made to show Sasuke going into the darkness which means he wouldn't have doe the same f**cked up kitten if he wasn't under the COH.
 
As for Sob Story=/=Free Pass, I whole-heartedly agree but Sasuke's crimes aren't big enough to not be forgiven, he saved the world, took out Akatsuki members, and released prisoners from Orochimaru, killing Samurai isn't that big of a crime.

Sasuke's crimes aren't big enough to be forgiven? What? He helped start the war, he attacked the 5 Kage, he murdered dozens of samurai, he joined a terrorist organization, attacked a foreign nation, and he tried to slaughter the 5 Kage and take over the world. Killing those samurai is just as bad as killing anyone else in the series. Sasuke deserves zero levity for his crimes.

Edit: Just to put this in perspective, Sasuke had an active hand in reviving the Juubi. Everyone that died in the war because of the Juubi, Sasuke holds partial blame for their deaths. He killed Neji just as much as Obito did. Sasuke is partially responsible for tens of thousands of deaths.

Edited by AHK, 18 April 2015 - 03:47 AM.

[WhyDoIWatch]

 

Well popularity with girls and the village's love and care doesn't replace a person's family or console the trauma they went through.  Naruto wanted all that stuff but Sasuke couldn't give less a kitten.  He wanted what he couldn't have-- his dead family.

Naruto wanted parents too but his #1 dream was to become Hokage not raise the dead or get revenge.  I do agree,, he was treated like kitten which confirms to me that personalities do play a role.  If Sasuke had been put in Naruto's place being scorned by the village and growing up lonely, I still think he would've turned out bad.

I really like the fact that Naruto/Sasuke have different preferences and their different reactions to each other's sob story.

 

Sasuke really couldn't care less what other people think of him, and he wound't have to worry about losing bonds because he doesnt have them.

 

While Naruto doesn't like loss, I don't think he would stop making bonds because of them and since he has random people loving him that would be pretty easy.

 

Their Backstories both suck but IMO they would have done better in each other's shoes.

[Change]

Taste happened.

Finally

Bc the NH "high" is crashing and they are starting to realize how bad the series truly is now

Trust me, I have meet a lot of people who realized how bad it was a long time ago

I guess most of the people here, including myself, were too blind to realize how bad it was.

Edited by TheMagicConch, 18 April 2015 - 04:00 AM.

[luffyq1]

Finally

Trust me, I have meet a lot of people who realized how bad a long time ago

I guess most of the people here, including me, were too blind to realize how bad it was.

lol i can't stop laughing.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Finally
Trust me, I have meet a lot of people who realized how bad a long time ago
I guess most of the people here, including me, were too blind to realize how bad it was.

I knew it had many problems, but I didn't see it bad because I cared too much for the characters. Story, well, that was out of option. In biased yet not fully view, I did care for Naruto and Sakura only because what their character once set to do. Sasuke I cared but I was very afraid on how Kishi would handle it. Turns out the worst did in fact happen. I remember once Hagoromo said that Sasuke is needed, people already had bad feelings that him saving them equals all be bygone. That ended up true.

[Aizen-Sama]

 

As for Sob Story=/=Free Pass, I whole-heartedly agree but Sasuke's crimes aren't big enough to not be forgiven, he saved the world, took out Akatsuki members, and released prisoners from Orochimaru, killing Samurai isn't that big of a crime.

 

It's not so much that I wanted Sasuke to pay for what he did or that I didn't think his actions were justified, it's that I wanted a more realistic ending for him showing the consequences of long-term hatred and revenge.  Revenge feels awesome and fun at first but at the very very end, grudges always ruin you somehow if you don't let them go.  Being forgiven by a dumb village and Hokage, Ok, I can accept that,  But Sasuke himself should've had a more somber unsatisfying ending, not suddenly being a happy father married to Sakura and helping the village he hated.

[LuckyChi7]

So I found my old databook in one of the rooms, and while I was reading it my expression was going OMG so much contradictions first off Sakura's feelings were changing from Sasuke to Naruto. That was stated in the actual book and I looked at the popularity poll Sakura made 6th place while Hinata made 11 place. So again where da kitten does is the evidence that Hinata was getting popular over Sakura. All of it is just a bunch of BS thankfully I double checked myself to make sure I was being delusional about it.     

[BlackBird19]

@WhyDoIWatch: I get that you like the Sasuke character and laid out every excuse there is for him. The biggest thing with me is that Sasuke no matter how tragic his past was, made the choices that turned him into the thing he swore to avenge. A murderer! Like AHK noted he killed samurai that he had zero affiliation with. They just happened to be in his way. If any of those samurai had children is it okay for them to seek out Sasuke and try to kill him or anyone else that gets in their way? Murder is unforgivable. Plain and simple. There's an old saying "before one embarks on the path of vengeance, be sure to dig two graves." That should have been what happened to Sasuke.

Edited by BlackBird19, 18 April 2015 - 03:58 AM.