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[Branden]

When do you guys think Kishi will make NS canon?

probably final chapter

[Otaru]

I thought it was already established that she wasn't using his feelings because the confession was honest.

 

I think she used his feelings. It was for good, but yet even her felt bad about it.

[milan kyuubi]

To me it's only a matter of time before NS is canon. Will it happen in the next chapter? Or on the final one? I don't know. But I am 100& ceratin it will happen. I am this sure because of their devolpment. And the fact that amongst Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Hinata. They all reamain the same on their views/goals. That is except Sakura. Who is the only char who showed hints of returning said feelings back.

Just for LOLZ

I was gone for quite some time because there's really no point in saying anything with mods constantly looking for reson to ban you, now I'm back and what I'm seeing? Same old, same old.

Well, whatever.

I don't know if anyone actually noticed but Hinata just recently became very, very significant character in this story. Hyuuga clan was considered nobility, Hyuugas were highly regarded because of their Byakugan but it didn't make sense at all since Byakugan wasn't all that improessive.

I mean sure, Hakke Rokujuuyonshou is pretty badass jutsu and Hakkeshou Kaiten also is not to be underestimated but apart form that? Not much.

Guess what. It turns out that Byakugan is one of TWO oldest doujutsus in the world.

 

pic

 

 

What we get to know is three things:
1) Princess Kaguya had Byakugan.
We know that Byakugan can only be pased down from parent to child and that makes the Hyuugas part the same bloodline as Kaguya herself. We do know that Hagoromo only had two children, one of them was the very first Senju, the other one became the very first Uchiha. No room for Hyuugas there. But wait a minute, Kaguya had TWO children! Then we have no choice but to assume that Hyuugas come from Kaguya's second son.

We can assume that just like Hagoromo had two sons when one was a genius and one was a dropout, the same story was with Kaguya's sons. Hagoromo was a genius, but there was also a dropout who only inherited Byakugan but none of his mother's huge power. And that was the very first Hyuuga.

2) The Hyuugas are actually not only noble family. THEY'RE A ROYAL FAMILY!
They come from Kaguya herself and she was a queen. This explains why they are so proud and so strict. Nice job, Kishimoto! Notice, This places Hyuugas even ABOVE Senju and Uchiha in terms of nobility since both Senju and Uchiha come from Hagoromo's sons while Hyuugas come from Princess Kaguya's son.

3) Kakashi was actually part right in the begining of part one when he conveyed rumors about Sharingan originating from Byakugan. Kaguya posessed both Sharingan and Byakugan and Hyuugas come from Kaguya's son who inherited Byakugan from his mother.


The So6P have stated that Madara have now the power equal to the power of The Sage himself and that he's trying to use Kaguya's own jutsu, Infinite Tsukuyomi. But wait a minute, Kaguya also had Byakugan, which Madara doesn't have. So if Kaguya, the creator of Infinite Tsukuyomi, had Byakugan, maybe there's some weakness to this jutsu that only a Byakugan user can exploit? Madara wouldn't know, he's not a Byakugan user. Futhermore, he doesn't seem to be even aware of the fact that Kaguya had Byakugan. Otherwise he'd certainly be way more careful with the Hyuuga clan as they originate from Kaguya herself.

I think that Madara will suceed in his Infinite Tsukuyomi attempt but it will be revealed that this jutsu has no effect on the descendants of Kaguya herself who created this jutsu - the Hyuuga clan. Hinata will wake up Naruto and Sasuke and together they will stop the jutsu before the fruit appears.

 

[Gojira]

Gotta love them Anti-NS arguments

I think she used his feelings. It was for good, but yet even her felt bad about it.

Well its like I keep saying Kishi constantly keeps contradicting himself which is what makes it really confusing but me talking about it over and over again is getting on peoples' nerves here so i'll stop there.

[ramenanmitsu]

To me it's only a matter of time before NS is canon. Will it happen in the next chapter? Or on the final one? I don't know. But I am 100& ceratin it will happen. I am this sure because of their devolpment. And the fact that amongst Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Hinata. They all reamain the same on their views/goals. That is except Sakura. Who is the only char who showed hints of returning said feelings back.

Just for LOLZ

Is this one of those Hinata rants made by an anti-Hinata person? Last week, James posted a really hilarious Hinata=Kaguya picture made by an anti-Hinata fan. Couldn't stop laughing for three minutes. This one is also quite funny as well.

[James S Cassidy]

 

I think she used his feelings. It was for good, but yet even her felt bad about it.

 

I don't think it is that simple and even Kishimoto rebuttled this
 

Interviewer: "Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy. She used Naruto’s love for her and told him she loved him."

Kishimoto: "On the contrary…. I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.”
"So... she became such a character, but... well... from here on, maybe I should draw her showing a bit more spirit.
I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation
But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all
Perhaps I should show depict her a bit more like a heroin
Because you say 'Hinata Hinata,' I say 'She's not Hinata'"

 

The interviewer specifically mentions that and Kishimoto rebuttled it saying "No."

 

I'm sorry, but I take Kishimoto's word over any fan interpretation any day. I know what the scene "looks" like, but it doesn't mean it is. Hell, the interview shows that Kishimoto thought he depicted it one way and the fans took it another.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 April 2014 - 03:15 PM.

[Gojira]

So what was the "surprisingly stubborn" part referring to?

[Gravenimage]

*sighs* Dear Lord again with the confession. There's already like two threads about it thanks to Pepsi. Must we talk about it here too? Anyone can think it was fake because of the situation it was shown. But what matters the most is Kishi believe he made Sakura honest and stubborn, in his view he saw her that way. The author's opinion matters the most than any fan. I bet if Naruto and Sakura get together already you would stop talking about the damn confession.

[James S Cassidy]

So what was the "surprisingly stubborn" part referring to?

 

Her personality. It could be about the Sasuke part, but it could also be about how Naruto called her a liar and she was "You think I am lying? What do you know? A woman's heart is complicated."

Which is true. It's always complicated, so why are we trying to simplify it? Does she still care about Sasuke? Yes. Is she still in love with him? From the way things look, no. I could argue it was never really love to begin with and she is just realizing that now. Yeah, she had a crush, but it can be mistaken for love. I know, I have been there. I thought I loved a few people, but when I really thought of who they are I didn't love them at all.

Seeing what she thought in 540, I had a moment exactly like that in my life and I realized I wasn't in love at all even though at first I thought it was love. There is no real reason why we do things that go against even logical ideals, but it happens. It's one of those things you have to really experience to understand.

And yes, despite contrary belief you can care about someone and not be in love with them which I feel is the case here with Sakura and Sasuke. She cares about him, but she is not in love with him.

 

*sighs* Dear Lord again with the confession. There's already like two threads about it thanks to Pepsi. Must we talk about it here too? Anyone can think it was fake because of the situation it was shown. But what matters the most is Kishi believe he made Sakura honest and stubborn, in his view he saw her that way. The author's opinion matters the most than any fan. I bet if Naruto and Sakura get together already you would stop talking about the damn confession.

 

You know, Graven, I've actually explained exactly this like over 20 times now in my career on this site and yet people still rather think Sakura was lying through the whole thing and used Naruto like a puppet.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 28 April 2014 - 04:26 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I don't think it is that simple and even Kishimoto rebuttled this
 
The interviewer specifically mentions that and Kishimoto rebuttled it saying "No."
 
I'm sorry, but I take Kishimoto's word over any fan interpretation any day. I know what the scene "looks" like, but it doesn't mean it is. Hell, the interview shows that Kishimoto thought he depicted it one way and the fans took it another.

Again depends on your interpretation, Kishimoto wanst clearly on saying no, imo, he expressed that Sakura wasnt selfish and using Naruto's feelings for her own benefit, the VA's saying "she acted quite haughty towards Naruto" enforces the idea that she thought Sakura was rude and used Naruto's feelings for her benefit, Kishimoto said on the contrary to explain that she wasnt selfish and later said that she wasnt rude towards Naruto because he depicted an honest girl with an stubborn expression, which is different than saying that what she meant on the confession is true.
 

You know, Graven, I've actually explained exactly this like over 20 times now in my career on this site and yet people still rather think Sakura was lying through the whole thing and used Naruto like a puppet.

That's not what people think about, i explained over 20 times aswell, i cant take her confession as true because chapters later it shuts down everything and tells the contrary, and also even if she mean or not she indeed manipulated him(not being selfish) otherwise she would not tell that she's in love with him and seconds later tell him to stop chasing Sasuke.

you're literally clinging to an interview on which could have been manipulated and hasnt used a single manga panel to prove ur arguments, you're just posting your interpretation of Kishi interview and telling people to deal with it because author's words cant be argued against fan interpretations.

Also i'll never accept her confession as true because what's the purpose of making Sakura ot be honest on saying "i love you to Naruto" when she had feelings of guilty, revealing that Naruto loves her and she being pressured by her teammates(shikamaru and sai specially) and later show a lot of panels of her feelings for Sasuke, it just doesnt make sense, the inconsistences doesnt let me agree with you James i'm sorry.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 April 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

Is this one of those Hinata rants made by an anti-Hinata person? Last week, James posted a really hilarious Hinata=Kaguya picture made by an anti-Hinata fan. Couldn't stop laughing for three minutes. This one is also quite funny as well.

No! :) It's actully a major Hinata/NaruHina fan! I presume the post was made to prove naruhina somehow (even tho it doesn't do so). But it was posted in romance section (thread). So lol!

 

Btw, can I have a link to that pic/post? ;)

Edited by milan kyuubi, 28 April 2014 - 05:14 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Question for you Darkrers.

 

What if instead of saying that he thought he made Sakura honest and stubborn he will say he made her" dishonest and manipulative" would you believe him or not? Or would you think the interview was altered by the fandom.

[Gojira]

*sighs* Dear Lord again with the confession. There's already like two threads about it thanks to Pepsi. Must we talk about it here too? Anyone can think it was fake because of the situation it was shown. But what matters the most is Kishi believe he made Sakura honest and stubborn, in his view he saw her that way. The author's opinion matters the most than any fan. I bet if Naruto and Sakura get together already you would stop talking about the damn confession.

Ofcourse but that isn't the point.

These are all relevant subjects so I don't know why you're getting upset with me.

Tell you what why don't you bring up something about NS that way we can talk about that and you won't get frustrated.

[Otaru]

 

I don't think it is that simple and even Kishimoto rebuttled this
 

The interviewer specifically mentions that and Kishimoto rebuttled it saying "No."

 

I'm sorry, but I take Kishimoto's word over any fan interpretation any day. I know what the scene "looks" like, but it doesn't mean it is. Hell, the interview shows that Kishimoto thought he depicted it one way and the fans took it another.

 

 

Of course this doesn't resume the whole thing.

I haven't said so.

This moment was complex and ambiguous.

But yet she used his feelings in a way. She tried to give him what she thinks he wanted to free him. For him to be happy and for him to not risk his life. It was self-sacrificing of her. That's why her actions at that time were all beautiful and all toward Naruto. Even if she tried to use his feelings. It's just as Sai said. She was only thinking about Naruto this whole time. This was her only way. she knew Naruto wouldn't listen to anything.

 

You know the interview is a thing and what he writes in his manga is another.

This is why he also said that " and Sakura, as expected she still....... Sasuke " implying she still loves him.

In interviews he is saying what he wants readers to believe IMO.

If I was at his place, I would do exactly the same.

 

She was honest about what she said to Naruto. But come on we all know she wasn't honest about everything. She wasn't honest about Sasuke. Naruto noticed it. But Kishimoto couldn't say it because it could compromise  his surprise effect in the future, and the fact that she wasn't honest about Sasuke doesn't change the fact that she was honest about Naruto. The interviewer asked Kishimoto about Naruto only if I recall. Maybe I should re-read this interview.

 

She is an honest girl, but this time what she tried wasn't so good and even herself felt bad about it.

But I think she was very surprised that Naruto just didn't accept what she said instantly.

 

 

*sighs* Dear Lord again with the confession. There's already like two threads about it thanks to Pepsi. Must we talk about it here too? Anyone can think it was fake because of the situation it was shown. But what matters the most is Kishi believe he made Sakura honest and stubborn, in his view he saw her that way. The author's opinion matters the most than any fan. I bet if Naruto and Sakura get together already you would stop talking about the damn confession.

 

This is what I was trying to put at the beginning.
I think we should stop trying to analyse Sakura's feelings here. What's important is Kishimoto's intention that perspired from the manga, because when we're trying to analyse Sakura's feelings, then we are on a slippery road because Kishi is not perfect about it.

 

 

 

Again depends on your interpretation, Kishimoto wanst clearly on saying no, imo, he expressed that Sakura wasnt selfish and using Naruto's feelings for her own benefit, the VA's saying "she acted quite haughty towards Naruto" enforces the idea that she thought Sakura was rude and used Naruto's feelings for her benefit, Kishimoto said on the contrary to explain that she wasnt selfish and later said that she wasnt rude towards Naruto because he depicted an honest girl with an stubborn expression, which is different than saying that what she meant on the confession is true.

 

Yes I think that's exactly it.

Edited by Otaru, 28 April 2014 - 09:18 PM.

[Raito]

Ah, the confession eh?

[Gojira]

This is what I was trying to put at the beginning.
I think we should stop trying to analyse Sakura's feelings here. What's important is Kishimoto's intention that perspired from the manga, because when we're trying to analyse Sakura's feelings, then we are on a slippery road because Kishi is not perfect about it.

Not sure about anyone else but its not the confession I'm trying to analyze or her feelings its what point Kishi is trying to get across since he keeps contradicting himself, the rumors of the interview being mistranslated or tampered with or some crap also don't help either.

[Gravenimage]

Pepsi@ the only way to find out if Kishi was been honest is to wait for the end when Naruto and Sakura gets together.

[Otaru]

Not sure about anyone else but its not the confession I'm trying to analyze or her feelings its what point Kishi is trying to get across since he keeps contradicting himself, the rumors of the interview being mistranslated or tampered with or some crap also don't help either.

 

Just ask yourself this one question : What's perspiring from the manga ?

 

At this point it's clear that Kishi is going for NaruSaku. It's just that all this is during for too long and it's clear he doesn't want to reveal it until the end to me. That's why it seems contradicting and weird.

Edited by Otaru, 28 April 2014 - 09:45 PM.

[Gojira]

Pepsi@ the only way to find out if Kishi was been honest is to wait for the end when Naruto and Sakura gets together.

His honesty isn't what I'm questioning here. I believe the interview, he said she was being honest I believe him I don't think he was kittening for the lulz or anything like that.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Question for you Darkrers.
 
What if instead of saying that he thought he made Sakura honest and stubborn he will say he made her" dishonest and manipulative" would you believe him or not? Or would you think the interview was altered by the fandom.

Sometimes honest and stubborn inst the opposite of being dishonest and manipulative, that would be deceitfull, dishonest implies that she used it for her own benefit but that would not make sense with the current situation since Sakura had nothing to gain being with Naruto at that time with her unresolved feelings for Naruto and her love for Sasuke.
Manipulative : People can be manipulative with an stubborn expression so sometimes it's the same thing.

About the interview, i'm not sure if it was altered or not, i just dont think he mean that she was honest and said the truth i stick with the fact he depicted an honest and stubborn girl on the confession in her action but not her words.
She acted stubbornish because she knew Naruto knows that she loves Sasuke and the extent of her feeligns but she acted like he didnt knew it and it was some childhood crush, just like the "honest" expression on where she said "i love you", "stop chasing Sasuke" and "I dont care about Sasuke anymore" .
 

Pepsi@ the only way to find out if Kishi was been honest is to wait for the end when Naruto and Sakura gets together.

That's incorrect, for NS to be canon still needs more development from Sakura's side, on the moment Sakura showed her feelings for Sasuke during the summit, it already nullified the confession.
You cant pick 632 and says that the confession was true, is like "in an hipothetical scenario" NS becomes canon in the end and then claim that on Sakura's confession for Sasuke on part 1 that she's lying.

At the confession moment she wasnt in love with Naruto and still had her feelings for Sasuke, and you cant pick further chapters to prove otherwise because the summit kills any interpretations that she said the truth there.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.