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[soraandven]

the saddest ns moment for me is of course the one in 457 junko really did well as naruto in that scene

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, it sounds like the story can work this way. Not saying it will happen, but if only it could go this route:

Naruto defeated Obito, but Madara and the beast is still on rampage. *Insert who leaves* Then when Naruto, Sakura and others see Tsunade dying. She was able to say last words with them and then dies. Sakura dies and Naruto probably say, "It should have been me there helping..." After all, he wanted to help but they all told him to go and end the war against Tobi. The chapter close it with Naruto thinking of Madara, saying he will never forgive him and will end the war for her and everyone for the future, and the next panel will be Sasuke arriving to Madara. End of chapter and volume.

Yeah, that could have work.

[rocci]

True, but Jiraiya was not Naruto's only mentor. Minato, he met before he passed onward and inherited his will for peace. Kushina=Orange Hokage/Kyubi power. And well Iruka and Kakashi have not died yet. Sakura has only had one mentor and that is Tsunade. If he wants to follow this cycle of the younger generation surpassing the older, how can he do that without Sakura learning Tsunade's will or possible techniques. Now, Kishi can always use the flashback scenario ass-pull move, but he is still predictable to a degree. There is a reason that Sakura has taken a backseat for so long. The Land of Iron Arc according to Kishi was supposed to portray her as a heroic woman[at least in his mind] and was a spotlight moment for her because a lot of the arc was based on her decisions. Maybe not in the next chapter or so, but because he has focused on so many other characters, I think that it is safe to say that her moment is coming soon, and that her being with Tsunade makes the most sense.

Yes I agree with you, tsunade is on the verge of dying maybe she doesn't has enough chakra to save kages so she ask katsuyu to bring sakura to save the other kage. I think it will happen in sakura's flashback.

You know, slextrem, your thread on the buildup really effected me more than I realized. Now, if it was to be killed off, not only my general fan will be devastated, but my inner NS fan will go ape****. Seriously, the cruel irony is Kishi said he isn't good at writing romance yet he did a great job on NS, only to choose another with little buildup in the last minute. I think I will brogue kick something in this room.

I think naruto romance can become a good romance manga be it shoujo, josei, or seinen manga. Because the complex relationship between each character really interesting. If it handle properly by kishi. Unfortunately is not.

[soraandven]

but my favprite ns moment hands down is this one http://www.youtube.c...TbY0QdhlQnF7fBw atleast untill the go mouth to mouth then 10 yrs later get married and have babies

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think naruto romance can become a good romance manga be it shoujo, josei, or seinen manga. Because the complex relationship between each character really interesting. If it handle properly by kishi. Unfortunately is not.

Well, if the ending is handled well, I will give A for effort and just say, it was nice. But, too early, we'll see.

[Slextrem]

True, but Jiraiya was not Naruto's only mentor. Minato, he met before he passed onward and inherited his will for peace. Kushina=Orange Hokage/Kyubi power. And well Iruka and Kakashi have not died yet. Sakura has only had one mentor and that is Tsunade. If he wants to follow this cycle of the younger generation surpassing the older, how can he do that without Sakura learning Tsunade's will or possible techniques. Now, Kishi can always use the flashback scenario ass-pull move, but he is still predictable to a degree. There is a reason that Sakura has taken a backseat for so long. The Land of Iron Arc according to Kishi was supposed to portray her as a heroic woman[at least in his mind] and was a spotlight moment for her because a lot of the arc was based on her decisions. Maybe not in the next chapter or so, but because he has focused on so many other characters, I think that it is safe to say that her moment is coming soon, and that her being with Tsunade makes the most sense.

I disagree. Sakura doesn't have to be with Tsunade during her last minutes to inherit her will, just like Naruto didn't have to be beside Jiraiya, nor the Third, to inherit theirs. (Also, I'm not sure why you're referring to Minato as Naruto's mentor... ) It doesn't make sense for Sakura to be there so I don't expect her to be. That doesn't mean that she won't learn of Tsunade's death, nor grieve, nor grow from it. It's possible that Tsunade will have Katsuyu convey her final words to Sakura and Shizune, and it's also possible that Katsuyu will be able to teach Sakura some of those techniques we're so anxious to see her perform. If anyone knows the secrets behind Tsunade's Creation Rebirth and that other thing, it would be Katsuyu. Maybe even Shizune.

[rocci]

I disagree. Sakura doesn't have to be with Tsunade during her last minutes to inherit her will, just like Naruto didn't have to be beside Jiraiya, nor the Third, to inherit theirs. (Also, I'm not sure why you're referring to Minato as Naruto's mentor... ) It doesn't make sense for Sakura to be there so I don't expect her to be. That doesn't mean that she won't learn of Tsunade's death, nor grieve, nor grow from it. It's possible that Tsunade will have Katsuyu convey her final words to Sakura and Shizune, and it's also possible that Katsuyu will be able to teach Sakura some of those techniques we're so anxious to see her perform. If anyone knows the secrets behind Tsunade's Creation Rebirth and that other thing, it would be Katsuyu. Maybe even Shizune.

I think it would more impactful if sakura with tsunade in her dying moment. Beside unlike jiraiya there are no harm in tsunade situation while jiraiya in the enemy territory while pain is still there.

[FrenchMyToast]

Well, if the ending is handled well, I will give A for effort and just say, it was nice. But, too early, we'll see.

If Kishi realizes that throwing in poorly developed love triangles all over the place is not a formula for good romance, then we may get a decent romantic subplot going.

[rocci]

If Kishi realizes that throwing in poorly developed love triangles all over the place is not a formula for good romance, then we may get a decent romantic subplot going.

Then this manga will become truly romance manga....NnnoooooooooooT_T

[Shadow1275]

I disagree. Sakura doesn't have to be with Tsunade during her last minutes to inherit her will, just like Naruto didn't have to be beside Jiraiya, nor the Third, to inherit theirs. (Also, I'm not sure why you're referring to Minato as Naruto's mentor... ) It doesn't make sense for Sakura to be there so I don't expect her to be. That doesn't mean that she won't learn of Tsunade's death, nor grieve, nor grow from it. It's possible that Tsunade will have Katsuyu convey her final words to Sakura and Shizune, and it's also possible that Katsuyu will be able to teach Sakura some of those techniques we're so anxious to see her perform. If anyone knows the secrets behind Tsunade's Creation Rebirth and that other thing, it would be Katsuyu. Maybe even Shizune.

My bad, I should have been more clear. In terms of the Minato mentor thing, what I meant was that it was more of the younger generation surpassing the older. When this happens, they usually inherit their predecessors will and sometimes techniques. Though Katsuyu teaching Sakura makes sense because that was how Naruto learned sage jutsu from the elder frog and learned of Jiraiya's final moments. The only thing is that the yin seal and the techniques that follow seem more like super-advanced chakra control, which is one of Sakura's strengths. Though if Katsuyu were to teach her anything, it would be sage mode as this seems like the only jutsu animals can teach people. Though I doubt that Shizune could teach Sakura how to master the Yin seal only because Sakura is the only female who has been considered to have the potential to surpass Tsunade. The other thing is that even though it is advanced chakra control, the only two people with that mark have been Mito and Tsunade, and after considering her big speech about why she put in the fourth edict, I think Tsunade is the only person who understands the technique.

Not exactly disagreeing with you. You're right, there is nothing showing that she has left to go to the kages, but after Madara appeared on the battlefield and declared victory over them, there is a possibility that Sakura being one of the higher level med-nin may be sent to see to the kages.

Then again, If you look at my sig, you can figure out who I'm a fan of

[FrenchMyToast]

Then this manga will become truly romance manga....NnnoooooooooooT_T

Having a respectable romance aspect in a story doesn't necessarily make it a romance manga. At least Kishi could be a little bit more straight forward with his pairings. Things like 615 and 540 muddy things up. That way you can either embrace a pairing or drop it altogether. In the end, either a large portion of NH/SS fans will be upset, or a large portion of NS fans will be upset. There will just be a lot less angry readers if the love triangles were better developed, which is a big positive.

[Slextrem]

I think it would more impactful if sakura with tsunade in her dying moment. Beside unlike jiraiya there are no harm in tsunade situation while jiraiya in the enemy territory while pain is still there.

Don't get me wrong, I also feel that it would be more sentimental if Sakura were there, but the thing that we're missing is how. She's on the battlefield right now, facing three very dangerous enemies, where she has the duty to heal anyone that is injured and help strengthen the attacks of those that are not. She really can't just sneak away. This isn't a regular situation where she can leave it to everyone else. This is war. She can't afford to act selfishly.

She has no idea of Tsunade's condition either. Katsuyu isn't there to tell her that Tsunade is in trouble, Madara hasn't mentioned anything about how he finished her off, and there have been no messenger pigeons sent. Nothing. How does Sakura know to go to Tsunade? How will she get there in time? Surely she wouldn't make it there on time by running the whole way, and even though people are speculating that Sai is flying her there, there really is no solid evidence holding that theory down.

At this point in time, it doesn't make any sense.

My bad, I should have been more clear. In terms of the Minato mentor thing, what I meant was that it was more of the younger generation surpassing the older. When this happens, they usually inherit their predecessors will and sometimes techniques. Though Katsuyu teaching Sakura makes sense because that was how Naruto learned sage jutsu from the elder frog and learned of Jiraiya's final moments. The only thing is that the yin seal and the techniques that follow seem more like super-advanced chakra control, which is one of Sakura's strengths. Though if Katsuyu were to teach her anything, it would be sage mode as this seems like the only jutsu animals can teach people. Though I doubt that Shizune could teach Sakura how to master the Yin seal only because Sakura is the only female who has been considered to have the potential to surpass Tsunade. The other thing is that even though it is advanced chakra control, the only two people with that mark have been Mito and Tsunade, and after considering her big speech about why she put in the fourth edict, I think Tsunade is the only person who understands the technique.

Not exactly disagreeing with you. You're right, there is nothing showing that she has left to go to the kages, but after Madara appeared on the battlefield and declared victory over them, there is a possibility that Sakura being one of the higher level med-nin may be sent to see to the kages.

Then again, If you look at my sig, you can figure out who I'm a fan of

Bolded: I wasn't necessarily meaning that they will directly teach her the techniques, but it is possible that they can give her pointers. Kind of like when Naruto was training to create the Rasen-Shurinken. Not even Minato was able to master that jutsu, but with Kakashi's guidance, Naruto was able to finally complete it. Kakashi couldn't show him how to do it, but he was able to give him pointers with the information that he had. I image a similar situation for Sakura. Both Shizune and Katsuyu have been with Tsunade for far longer than Sakura has. I'm sure they know a thing or two about how her techniques works, which they could explain to Sakura. She'd be on her own in terms of trying to master it though.

I never thought about a team of medics being sent to the Kages. That is a possibility! If that's the case, it likely won't be until a bit later, once the fighting has settled down some.

@FrenchMyToast: Sorry for not replying to your posts! I kept mistaking you for Shadow. Your avatars look similar and I'm too groggy to differentiate between the two.

You're right. Tsunade is different from Jiraiya, though I do think she's had some regrets in her life. Maybe that's why I can't stop seeing her final thoughts revolving around her unfulfilled relationship with Jiraiya...

Edited by Slextrem, 20 April 2013 - 06:44 AM.

[bthug]

So what do you guys think is gonna happen in the next chapter, is it probably just gonna focus on Sasuke and his impact on the battlefield

[Slextrem]

So what do you guys think is gonna happen in the next chapter, is it probably just gonna focus on Sasuke and his impact on the battlefield

I hope not. I imagine it's going to take a while for them to get to the battlefield. They're all the way in Konoha, after all. I would like to see Kishimoto move on to something different - preferably the Kages or Yamato. It's been far too long since we've seen either.

[Shadow1275]

Having a respectable romance aspect in a story doesn't necessarily make it a romance manga. At least Kishi could be a little bit more straight forward with his pairings. Things like 615 and 540 muddy things up. That way you can either embrace a pairing or drop it altogether. In the end, either a large portion of NH/SS fans will be upset, or a large portion of NS fans will be upset. There will just be a lot less angry readers if the love triangles were better developed, which is a big positive.

True, Kishi hasn't been great in the romance department but it's not completely bad either.

let me be clear:

SS-doesn't make sense- this he screwed up. There is no reason Sakura should have any feelings for Sasuke and no reason why she should have fallen in love with him.

NH-not exactly screwed up. NH does lack development, but this of course could change. Looking at this from a pure relationship perspective, it's natural for people to develop crushes on other people who embody what they lack. For example, Hinata was always shy and overlooked, Naruto always believed he could change who he was. That is why she developed a crush on him. He has always been nice to her[though oblivious and not reciprocating her feelings]. Now what Naruto considers a friendly act, Hinata could consider a romantic one, which could explain why it grew. Would I call it love, not really. In my opinion, it is more deep infatuation then love and is still one-sided. But it still lacks development for it to become mutual.

NS-This is not screwed up if he follows through, and in my opinion is well executed for a couple of reasons. First, Sakura grew to respect Naruto as a person and close friend in part 1, sometimes admiring his skill as a ninja and his kindness as a person. Part 2, she learns more about him personally. For example, before part 2 she did not know about the giant fox living inside of him. But the biggest reason why this is done well is because we have mutual moments of affection between Naruto and Sakura. For example, the eating scene. They have the foundation, and out of all the male characters, Naruto is the most stable as he has always had Sakura's back no matter what. This is also why it appeals to me the most because in the relationships I've been in, sure it can start with a crush, but it only grows stronger when the chemistry is right.

Now as for 540, the fact that she loves Sasuke does not make sense. However, considering the love is there, Sakura's emotional roller coaster has been realistic. In part 2, she is never confronted by Sasuke in his uber-evilness until the Land of Iron scene. This is where she first acknowledges that Sasuke has changed. Which means, that she had not considered her feelings for him wrong until that point. 540 makes sense, because of that fact. Sakura has only recently accepted her feelings as wrong. She knows that Sasuke is not a great man, and is starting to realize that her love for Sasuke is as Kishi put it Selfish.

She also realizes that Naruto really does love her, however this hit a hitch as well. Sakura has been rejected two times. Once by Sasuke when he said goodbye to her when he left to go with Orochimaru, and by Naruto at the Land of Iron. Now, after looking at Kishi's interview and the confession, it is clear that Sakura and Naruto have romantic feelings for each other[not too mention the hundreds of hints and NS moments] However, even though Naruto probably rejected her because she still had feelings for Sasuke, it's natural for her to be guarded about putting herself out there. On Naruto's end, he is going to feel hurt because he mistook Sakura's confession as her lying about her feelings for Sasuke, and her not considering that he would have gone after him promise or not. When she was only trying to ease his pain. This would explain why they haven't talked about the confession at all since they got back.

Hopefully she can get over this.

As for 615, Is it a NH moment? sure. But more in the friendly sense and not romantic sense in Naruto's case. It does make sense though for Hinata because she promised to hold his hand, and because it was Neji who sacrificed his life.

@Slextrem

Mistaking me for FrenchmyToast? Thanks a lot, I thought you, strider, and I were a team remember?

So much for that

Edited by Shadow1275, 20 April 2013 - 07:07 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

@Slextrem

Mistaking me for FrenchmyToast? Thanks a lot, I thought you, strider, and I were a team remember?

So much for that

I've been mistaking you for Toast as well.

[Branden]

FoolishYoungling why do you have a picture of smoker in your top 5 favorite anime girls?

[FoolishYoungling]

FoolishYoungling why do you have a picture of smoker in your top 5 favorite anime girls?

That's not Smoker. Smoker is this guy.

[Branden]

That's not Smoker. Smoker is this guy.

Yep, that is also smoker.

This is Tashigi:



This is also Tashigi:




There are very clear differences between them you know...

[FoolishYoungling]

@Branden: Are you seeing Smoker in my sig where I have Tashigi at? Send me a PM of the 5 people you see in my sig please.