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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yeah I know.
I felt just the same before.
Then I understood it was not needed for me to go through that because Kishi is not perfect.
He may haven't written this in the best way, but his intentions were that he wanted us to feel that Sakura might love Naruto.
All she said to him was honest, except for the Sasuke part. She love Naruto, even if it's not 'that' strong yet in her understanding.

It doesnt change is the outcome that is a lie, Sasuke's part is part of the confession, she being honest at loving Naruto implies that she already got over from Sasuke and loves Naruto already, and that was impossible for her to come to any conclusion that she loves Naruto because she had not confronted Sasuke neither her feelings for him.
She decided to be with Naruto not because of love but rather because she felt guilty about what she did on the Poal and that was her way to make things right as explained/guessed by Sai.

I feel amused at people who thinks that she was honest on her feelings for Naruto but forget at the key aspects, she left Tsunade's tent crying and thinking about Naruto's burden and the poal, she saw Ino crying for Sasuke, she making a serious face looking like it's determined to do something.
Feelings of Guilty, Her wanting to help Naruto and put an end to Sasuke's case, it's literally impossible for Sakura to at least meant that she loved Naruto honestly on a moment where she was pressured by all sides, being pressured by the k11, the burden of Naruto and her love for Sasuke, and in the end it still showed how desperate she was since she didnt even really planned to kill Sasuke because she only decided after he told her to kill Karin.

 

I think this whole thing with Sasuke some chapters forward is like some of us have explained. I'm starting to believe more and more this interpretation, though at the beginning I wasn't at all. Maybe it's possible she thought about Naruto and then she tought about Sasuke when the fodder ninja started to talk about how good should be a man that Sakura could love.
 
Well, maybe I'm wrong...

Someome posted the raw and translated it it said clearly refered to the one she "loves" rather than who she could love or something ambiguous.
She acted the dismiss that guy on a nice manner but he said about the great guy thing and that was the response about Sakura's standing about Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 April 2014 - 08:57 PM.

[MoonDrop04]

Two things popped into my head recently that's been aggravating and exciting me a lot and I want to know if people feel the same way lol.
The two things I want to explain are....
1:Naruto and Sasuke having an argument over Sakura's well being in the Kamui dimension next chapter.
2: What if there was a moment coming soon of Sakura having a conversation with Kurama??
Let me elaborate lol ......

I'm strictly believe that Sasuke and Naruto are going to be stuck out in the real world until someone comes out of the Kamui dimension. It feels right for them to stay there and to give sakura some much needed screen time. Any way I would imagine while Sasuke and Kakashi are wondering what just happened Naruto would come in and ask where did Madara go? To which the two reply about him taking kakashi's eye and transporting to Kamui dimension to get his other eye. Right then I would believe Naruto would have a shocked expression on his face and start to worry about Sakura cause she's in serious danger. As for Sasuke I would imagine him being cold, dark and not even worry about Sakura much to Naruto's dismay. He would go on to say for him and naruto to be ready for when Madara transports back so that they would strike right when he is coming back to land a deadly blow. But Naruto would be too worried about Sakura to even listen to what Sasuke says, to which Sasuke replies that Obito and Sakura are probably already dead and that naruto and him should prepare themselves for when Madara comes. Knowing naruto he would probably be furious and argue with Sasuke about not caring about Sakura's well being. The reason why I see this happening is because we haven't really seen Naruto And Sasuke Actually argue and disagree with each other since what.....when they attacked the Juubi that one time and Sasuke said "BURN"?? It would be kinda refreshing to seem them quarrel a bit over something for a change and lucky for us it's about Sakura!!!

Now as for Sakura and Kurama actually having a conversation together I'm skeptical about it but after thinking about it for awhile some things started to click. As we all know the first nine tails Jinchurriki was Mito Uzumaki and it's not officially fact that it is but she does have the same seal as tsunade and Sakura on her forehead so she may have had the yin seal. Now what if by some rare occurrence Sakura went into Naruto's inner world and talked with Kurama about the yin seal? Reason why I say inside his inner world cause that's pretty much the only place you can talk to Kurama during the final battle. Kurama may suggest naruto for him to talk to her so he could give some advice about the yin seal cause since he was inside Mito He should know a thing or two about it. I don't know how they would talk to each other but I would bet that naruto would find some way to make it comical which i would love to see.
You know what I don't even care how or when they would talk to each other but I really want them to talk to each other!!!! They will be my new favorite pairing and I will be calling it........
KURSAKU!!!! it will Be Trending Worldwide!!!! Lol

[Gojira]

When do you guys think Kishi will make NS canon?

-Any chapter now

-After Madara's defeat

-Post War

-Pre "Naruto vs. Sasuke arc"

-During the arc but before the actual final battle

-Post Naruto vs. Sasuke arc

-Final Chapter

-Open Ending

Edited by Pepsi, 27 April 2014 - 10:36 PM.

[shisui]

I'd say if it happens, it will be after the war. I don't believe in Naruto VS Sasuke anymore.

[Gravenimage]

Pepsi@ why are you still bringing open ending? There will be NO open ending because Kishi has made the canon pairing too obvious to be ignore. Its a pairing he has decided in making since the beginning of the manga. Then when he introduced Kushina with having the same background as Sakura he sealed NS for good as the endgame pairing.

[Gojira]

Pepsi@ why are you still bringing open ending? There will be NO open ending because Kishi has made the canon pairing too obvious to be ignore. Its a pairing he has decided in making since the beginning of the manga. Then when he introduced Kushina with having the same background as Sakura he sealed NS for good as the endgame pairing.

I'm not saying its a likely, I just think it wouldn't be fair if I didn't give every possibility.

[Gravenimage]

Well open ending is not a possibility its NS or nothing.

[Silent Storm]

NaruSaku being confirmed after the war is the most likely scenario.

 

The way I see it happening is once the dust has settled and Madara has been defeated, there will be a short celebreation and then Sasuke will challenge Naruto for the title of hokage. That's when Sakura will make the decision to stick by Naruto and support him for hokage, showing that she's finally over Sasuke. The old Sakura would have supported Sasuke's goal to attain the position, but showing her support Naruto (in front of him and everyone else) will show how much progress she's made since her part 1 days. I predict more actions which make people trust Sasuke even less than now will influence her choice even more.

 

There is no way anyone would agree to Sasuke getting the role of Hokage after he was part of the organisation which sparked this war in the first place and could have potentially aided in ending the world had he successfully caught Bee. It makes too much sense for Sakura to side with Naruto infront of everyone.

 

The fight will also happen. Naruto and Sasuke need to settle the score they have.

 

Then again it also made sense for her to embrace him once he woke up from near death. What happened instead was a lukewarm reaction so anything can happen at this point.

Edited by Silent Storm, 27 April 2014 - 11:25 PM.

[Gojira]

Well open ending is not a possibility its NS or nothing.

At this point how is that not an open-ending?

[awesome sauce dude]

I say before or during the final battle

[Gravenimage]

Pepsi@ for so long Kishi has shown the signs that NS will be canon by the end. Open ending to me its not something he will go for because NS is a pairing he's been developing since the beginning of the manga. To spent all those years working on the pairing just so he could leave it hanging in a open ending is purely retarded.

[James S Cassidy]

I'm not saying its a likely, I just think it wouldn't be fair if I didn't give every possibility.

To be fair, Kishimoto did say he was going to end this manga conclusively. Leaving the pairing wars open is not really conclusive at this point in time.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

To be fair, Kishimoto did say he was going to end this manga conclusively. Leaving the pairing wars open is not really conclusive at this point in time.

Oy Vey.
His quote pratically confirmed what i was thinking about, he knows that he's bad writing and is going to try hard to make sense in the end.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 April 2014 - 12:25 AM.

[megi]

I'm still just sad, sad to see that when a major event is coming in the manga, notablity the possibility of a death, rather than be concerned, people are either going to be unsurprised that its obito or rather hoping its sakura and its just sad, I mean even now, the aspect of her living is by all means just because of kishi's writing, if she isnt as critical to the main moment right now or the fight then her death wouldnt entail anything important, yet people only want it because they say it would do good for the story, not it wouldnt, I mean the whole aspect of character investment, well kishi made her invested a lot with others like naruto and tusnade and just plain being with team 7, isn't one of sakuras merits supposed to be maturity in the end if she started out hating naruto and blindly infatuated with sasuke? Considering the conflict she has had from the course of the story, isnt there a need for a resolution on her part? Well to most fans, no, there isnt because they just plain dont care about sakura. My disgust to this, its just plain embarrassing how fans really just want her death to come, I mean they ignored her for a long time and now its they want her dead. I know sakura isnt the biggest character, she is a main but still people treat her like she is unimportant. Trying to ignore her is like ignoring a fair porition of the story, about 30% give or take. She is part of many moments yet people act like Hinata somehow was always there or she is somehow a bigger character. Its just sad, sad that people only want a death to occur because of their preference.

 

I mean I can even make justice out of this argument for a character that died simply because she didnt do much to the plot or have any real form of development: I on my own, liked it when Andrea died in the walking dead tv series, it was just, it wasn't that Andrea was useless, she literally was the problem, its like the writers just deliberately went out of their way to make her as much of a kitten up as they could. I'm not criticizing Andrea for her loss with Amy, I'm not criticizing her for her efforts that were good when she met well, she literally caused much more chaos than was needed how?

 

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But unlike the walking dead, wishing death on sakura, theres no merited reason for her to actually die. She is important, she doesn't cause problems, the writers and kishi follow up on her and made her go from a small weak idealism girl to one who grew, gained new abilities, came to respect naruto, views sasuke uneasily now. Theres a much different view of her from point a to b to c, but Andrea, oh boy, she literally was a problem and the writers never made her change for the better, she was literally just so out of touch with the events, its a character like her that deserves all the hate sakura gets, Sakura gets stuff done at least, Andrea was literally one who just made more problems than there had to be. I mean seriously, she trusted Michonne knowing barely anything about her who kept her safe for 8 months, then comes to trust the governor within only 3 days about and doesnt support Michonne. Thats just terrible writing, thats a reason that makes you just hate a character then and there.

 

I don't want to get too far into this (because this is a NS debate thread), but Andrea was a great character who was definitely not stupid. She, as well as Lori were really misunderstood as characters (as you can see I love them very much). So I disagree with a lot of the things you said about her. She clearly was not the problem. (However, I do agree with you about the show runner and writers at that time making really bad calls). 

 

Anyways, I've always resented the idea of Sakura dying for reasons such as "to see Naruto/Sasuke react to it" and I really don't see any of the "foreshadowing" of her death. What is her death, however brief, going to do for...the story? Her character? And we just had Gai about to die only to miraculously be brought back from the brink by Naruto. I don't need to see it again with Sakura. I'll always disagree with a Sakura death. 

[Otaru]

It doesnt change is the outcome that is a lie, Sasuke's part is part of the confession, she being honest at loving Naruto implies that she already got over from Sasuke and loves Naruto already, and that was impossible for her to come to any conclusion that she loves Naruto because she had not confronted Sasuke neither her feelings for him.
She decided to be with Naruto not because of love but rather because she felt guilty about what she did on the Poal and that was her way to make things right as explained/guessed by Sai.

I feel amused at people who thinks that she was honest on her feelings for Naruto but forget at the key aspects, she left Tsunade's tent crying and thinking about Naruto's burden and the poal, she saw Ino crying for Sasuke, she making a serious face looking like it's determined to do something.
Feelings of Guilty, Her wanting to help Naruto and put an end to Sasuke's case, it's literally impossible for Sakura to at least meant that she loved Naruto honestly on a moment where she was pressured by all sides, being pressured by the k11, the burden of Naruto and her love for Sasuke, and in the end it still showed how desperate she was since she didnt even really planned to kill Sasuke because she only decided after he told her to kill Karin.

 
Someome posted the raw and translated it it said clearly refered to the one she "loves" rather than who she could love or something ambiguous.
She acted the dismiss that guy on a nice manner but he said about the great guy thing and that was the response about Sakura's standing about Sasuke.

 

Thank you for correcting me about the raw, but IDK, maybe people are right and she is supposed to have thought about Sasuke only when the guy talked about "good guy". My first opinion on this, after the big surprise of course, was that Kishimoto wants us to believe she still loves Sasuke.

 

About the confession, I think all this is only to show Sakura's shifting of feelings. It may be not very well done, it's a little confusing, and the fodder ninja declaration of love episode that came after made all this even more confusing.

 

I think the context of her learning about Naruto's feelings were too hard for her to really think about it or realise anything. There was a urge for action, and she tried to force herself to be strong. Well she has been really strong for deciding to kill Sasuke on her own. As I already said, all this was for Naruto in priority. She might think the one she loves is Sasuke, but to me, it's far too much obvious the one she really loves is Naruto.

I don't care what crap Kishimoto wants us to believe until the end.

But I understand why people are upset. I was upset about that too before.

When this fodder ninja episode arrived, with the love letter and all, I was SURE Sakura were talking about Naruto.

Some will say I persuaded myself, but I think this is what perspired from the story and that's all.

 

This event with Yamato, over everything else, is proving she loves Naruto even more that she actually knows.

 

I remember in an interview Kishimoto said "well she loves Sasuke, as expected" is that right ? If it's wrong then please correct me.

So maybe  that's why he put Sasuke in her mind at that time. Because he wants us to thinks she still loves Sasuke, because he wants NaruSaku to be something surprising / unexpected at the end.

 

Well, IMO.

 

 

 

I'd say if it happens, it will be after the war. I don't believe in Naruto VS Sasuke anymore.

 

I thinks this fight will be. There is far too much emphasis on this to be ignored.

But Kishimoto changed the rules.

It will be about Hokage title.

Edited by Otaru, 28 April 2014 - 01:22 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This event with Yamato, over everything else, is proving she loves Naruto even more that she actually knows.

He was mad at Sakura's confession.
 

I remember in an interview Kishimoto said "well she loves Sasuke, as expected" is that right ? If it's wrong then please correct me.

About Sasuke, Naruto is closer but she cares about about him but as expected she still [...] Sasuke.
It's unclear if the Kishi let it open like that or the guy who wrote let it with this but the word love is clear to me.
 

So maybe  that's why he put Sasuke in her mind at that time. Because he wants us to thinks she still loves Sasuke, because he wants NaruSaku to be something surprising / unexpected at the end.
 Well, IMO.

I think even if Kishimoto wanted to make us believe she still likes Sasuke the scene itself would be inadequated, Sakura still loved Sasuke but it's not on 540 is clear when she's about to kill him on the summit where the audience witness her feelings for Sasuke(with flashbacks), and even Karin noticed it too(with the shared panel of her and Karin crying), and when she fails to stab with and say that ( i knew it, i can't do it), she knew that her feelings for Sasuke would not let her kill Sasuke.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 April 2014 - 01:29 AM.

[Otaru]

He was mad at Sakura's confession.

No not really IMO.
At first, he was chocked. He believed her IMO.

Then he started to look concerned and asked what was happening. He even wanted to interfere.
He began to look angry when she started to give weird explanations.
I guess he understood something wasn't right.

What she did back then wasn't right, and she knew that, because she said "sorry Naruto" while she was parting with the others.

 

She tried to use Naruto's feelings to make him do what she wanted. This was not right. IMO that's why Yamato was angry too.

She had good intentions behind though. She just wanted him safe and free from the burden. She wanted to take care of it alone because it wasn't right to ask to Naruto in the beginning.

That's why I still see this confession as a NaruSaku moment.

 

About Sasuke, Naruto is closer but she cares about about him but as expected she still [...] Sasuke.
It's unclear if the Kishi let it open like that or the guy who wrote let it with this but the word love is clear to me.

 

Okay thank you. I think this "as expected" is of strong importance here. It is truth subtly revealing itself.
 

I think even if Kishimoto wanted to make us believe she still likes Sasuke the scene itself would be inadequated, Sakura still loved Sasuke but it's not on 540 is clear when she's about to kill him on the summit where the audience witness her feelings for Sasuke(with flashbacks), and even Karin noticed it too(with the shared panel of her and Karin crying), and when she fails to stab with and say that ( i knew it, i can't do it), she knew that her feelings for Sasuke would not let her kill Sasuke.

I think the scene feels inadequate because Kishi is dragging all this for too long for plot sake.

Karin notices that Sakura "must love him" and then she add "but...".

At that time it was in order for the reader to guess that what Sakura was saying to Sasuke were lies (when she told him she wanted to leave Konoha for him).

 

The fact that she cried that much while healing Karin was the after-shock of her first encounter with the new Sasuke she never knew. Because the one she loved, the one she had in mind, were totally different. Even after this she tried to kill him a second time. For me her tears are not because she loves him. It's because it hurts her how he became. That's not exactly the same. IMO she loved him at that time, but who she loved was the old Sasuke. This was a needed event on the way of Sakura's shifting feelings.

There is nothing that prove she wasn't able to kill Sasuke because she still loves him like she used too, even if I think she loved him at that time. It's hard to kill, moreover someone you used to love, someone who fight alongside with you. Kishimoto doesn't want to bring that kind of message to shônen readers... she really meant to do it, but in front of him, she realised it was too difficult and she froze. And then he attacked her. Yet she tried a second time. She was really prepared to do it IMO. She wanted to do it.
IMO, Kishimoto made her do this to FREE NARUTO and HERSELF of this silly promise. When Sakura asked this from Naruto, she was still childish and clinging on Sasuke without really thinking. It was mean from her to ask this to Naruto.
For the sake of their bond, she needed to at least have the intention of atoning this by eliminate Sasuke herself. This proves how much important Naruto is to her. IMO.

 

In fact, Kishimoto is quite intelligent in dealing with this because he succeeded to make her erase the PoaL without killing Sasuke. Because IMO, what she's done is enough. It's quite intelligent from Kishi because it's a shônen and heroes don't kill each others in shônen. People are saying she's useless because teenagers are becoming more and more adult-ish in our society. They are aware of many hard things, and they kind of want to see it in stories because of all the american movies they are watching. IMO. And teenagers are stupid also LOL (just kidding but more seriously, teenagers are not meant to be wise like old sages so they see Sakura as a useless b*tch because they don't understand the japanese mind with all this subtle things... sadly)

Edited by Otaru, 28 April 2014 - 02:13 AM.

[Gojira]

I thought it was already established that she wasn't using his feelings because the confession was honest.

[James S Cassidy]

I thought it was already established that she wasn't using his feelings because the confession was honest.

 

Like I said, it can't be both ways.

[Gojira]

Like I said, it can't be both ways.

Yes but isn't that the conclusion we ended up coming to?