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[jason voorhees]

^ Considering Sasuke's entire life after the massacre revolved around Itachi it seems pretty clear he was more influential than best friend Naruto who failed to convince him to stop multiple times. SasuNaru likes to leave out this fact.

i wont argue with that fac i would be obsesed with someone who killed my whole famly/clan as well. I will beg to differ thow when naruto stops him naruto is his his light jest in a sence like Itachi was his insperation. which leaves me to still belive there on par or close.

[Quinny52]

@naruto-z - Oh, I want him to do more than that. I want Naruto to make Sasuke know what the consequences are for his sins. This boy now opposes the very values he was once taught to uphold and he himself respected. But despite everyone's attempts to help, he betrayed his village and his closest companions to pursue a vendetta (but mostly because of his jealousy of Naruto's growth, his frustration with his own, and the lure for greater power just too tempting), and even when his goal is supposedly done, the truth revealed and he has the chance to turn away from the path he had been treading, his anger and lust for power wouldn't allow it.

If Sasuke values power so much, then I'm going to personally enjoy the moment when Naruto takes all that power away from him (I explained how I think Itachi's 'gift' would do this in the chap. 515 thread). That, in my opinion, would be a fitting punishment for the crimes he has committed.

[Derock]

I know you guys are talking about Sasuke and Naruto's relationship as "friends" but save that for a different thread. Please go back ontopic. Thanks.

[Quinny52]

^ My bad. That was just something I had to get off my chest.

Back on topic (a rather more cheerful subject).

[Miss Soupy]

I know you guys are talking about Sasuke and Naruto's relationship as "friends" but save that for a different thread. Please go back ontopic. Thanks.

I has a question XD

Is it ok to talk about SasuNaru?

[Derock]

I has a question XD

Is it ok to talk about SasuNaru?

As long as it conflicts NaruSaku being one of its main pairing rivals (unfortunately because of the yaoi fans ), then yes.

[Cloud]

i wont argue with that fac i would be obsesed with someone who killed my whole famly/clan as well. I will beg to differ thow when naruto stops him naruto is his his light jest in a sence like Itachi was his insperation. which leaves me to still belive there on par or close.

What?

[Gravenimage]

I agree I don't understand what he said.

[tricksie]

i wont argue with that fac i would be obsesed with someone who killed my whole famly/clan as well. I will beg to differ thow when naruto stops him naruto is his his light jest in a sence like Itachi was his insperation. which leaves me to still belive there on par or close.

I agree I don't understand what he said.

Allow me:

"I won't argue with that fact. I would be obsessed with someone who killed my whole family/clan as well. I will beg to differ though: When Naruto stops him, Naruto is his light. Just in a sense like Itachi was his inspiration. Which leads me to still believe they're on par or close."

So he's saying Naruto's bond is just as important to Sasuke as Itachi's bond. Naruto is his hope for redemption, while Itachi is what drove him to this point. Their bonds are on par, or at the same level, in affecting Sasuke.

~hope this helps!

[Gravenimage]

Allow me:

"I won't argue with that fact. I would be obsessed with someone who killed my whole family/clan as well. I will beg to differ though: When Naruto stops him, Naruto is his light. Just in a sense like Itachi was his inspiration. Which leads me to still believe they're on par or close."

So he's saying Naruto's bond is just as important to Sasuke as Itachi's bond. Naruto is his hope for redemption, while Itachi is what drove him to this point. Their bonds are on par, or at the same level, in affecting Sasuke.

~hope this helps!

Yeah thanks for clearing that up tricksie.

[jason voorhees]

Allow me:

"I won't argue with that fact. I would be obsessed with someone who killed my whole family/clan as well. I will beg to differ though: When Naruto stops him, Naruto is his light. Just in a sense like Itachi was his inspiration. Which leads me to still believe they're on par or close."

So he's saying Naruto's bond is just as important to Sasuke as Itachi's bond. Naruto is his hope for redemption, while Itachi is what drove him to this point. Their bonds are on par, or at the same level, in affecting Sasuke.

~hope this helps!

thank you xD i have trouble being spacific sometimes an it turns into jumble.

[maliousdei]

hey guys, you know what really grinds my gears? how naruhina and sasusaku fans always use the same lines, "Hinata loves naruto" and "sakura loves sasuke", as if that's all that mattered to a pairing and instantly forget that Naruto loves sakura and that sasuke loves nobody. I don't know what they have been thinking, but it takes two to tango. they don't call pairings pairings for nothing. Meaning, it takes more than one person loving someone else to make a pairing canon, it also takes interaction and healthy communication. something naruto and sakura happen to have, and naruto and hinata and sasuke and sakura don't have. plus, in case they forget, sakura has developed her own feelings for naruto that can be perceived as romantic, confession or no confession.

[Gravenimage]

hey guys, you know what really grinds my gears? how naruhina and sasusaku fans always use the same lines, "Hinata loves naruto" and "sakura loves sasuke", as if that's all that mattered to a pairing and instantly forget that Naruto loves sakura and that sasuke loves nobody. I don't know what they have been thinking, but it takes two to tango. they don't call pairings pairings for nothing. Meaning, it takes more than one person loving someone else to make a pairing canon, it also takes interaction and healthy communication. something naruto and sakura happen to have, and naruto and hinata and sasuke and sakura don't have. plus, in case they forget, sakura has developed her own feelings for naruto that can be perceived as romantic, confession or no confession.

I don't want to get into any bashing but you're right especially when they used the "Hinata sacrificed herself to protect Naruto that means she loves him and deserves to be with him more than Sakura" argument. Or Sakura lied to Naruto in her confession and she will always love Sasuke no matter what, I know it has gotten old.

[maliousdei]

I'm not sure how many people remember this, but sakura saved naruto's life twice in part 1.

1. she grabbed him and made him duck to avoid zabuza's sword that was coming straight at his head.
2. she pinned him to a tree with a kunai when he was going to fall to his death.

[Gravenimage]

I'm not sure how many people remember this, but sakura saved naruto's life twice in part 1.

1. she grabbed him and made him duck to avoid zabuza's sword that was coming straight at his head.
2. she pinned him to a tree with a kunai when he was going to fall to his death.

We all know that already but certain fans from a certain fandom always ignore those important details like it never happened in the manga.

[maliousdei]

but if anyone can help me, I'd like to find some intelligent responses to those certain pairings when they bring up the "Blank loves naruto" and the "sakura loves blank" statements and to get them to shut up

Edited by maliousdei, 15 November 2010 - 12:34 AM.

[Gravenimage]

but if anyone can help me, I'd like to find some intelligent responses to those certain pairings when they bring up the "Blank loves naruto" and the "sakura loves blank" statements and to get them to shut up

I honestly think that you shouldn't bother because it's not worth it, no matter what solid evidence we show them from the manga they won't listen, they won't understand it will be best to let things the way they are. There's no reason in adding more wood to the wild fire and even if the manga ends and Kishi shows Naruto and Sakura holding hands with a little version of Naruto next to them calling them mommy and daddy it's not going to change their minds and make them stay quiet.

The fact is I haven't had a debate with anyone from those fandoms for over a year because I got tire with debating with the same biased evidence they spoke off. I realized to let things slide and forget about it let them mind over their business so we can continue enjoying the manga. Everyone has their taste and opinions and have a right to like the pairing of their choice, unfortunately that won't change from the kind of argument they would bring and most of the arguments I had were really biased.

[alexander]

but if anyone can help me, I'd like to find some intelligent responses to those certain pairings when they bring up the "Blank loves naruto" and the "sakura loves blank" statements and to get them to shut up

They will never shut up, their couples is canon period, and no matter how much you try to dialog with them they won't change their minds even one bit. Of course these are the obsessive fans, the other fans are a good portion of Sakura haters and eventually Narusaku haters. There are some few that are more open minded, but these ones gerenaly are harmless persons. The point is don't even try dialog with obsessive fans they will flame you to death.

[Gravenimage]

How about if we get back on topic if we keep this topic it might lead to bashing?

[holy_demon]

It makes me laugh all the time when people try to use number of saving to justify their pairing canonicity, while NaruSaku rules out on top in that aspect, from both parties. It's not like they should suddenly fall in love just for saving each other's ass, but it certainly helps when somebody made those rash statement that NaruSaku doesn't have a bond/friendship, while theirs were one of the more functional relationship.

Also to note, while Naruto's saving was always depicted as something epic with usually full page panel, Sakura's were downplayed a lot with no "epic" speech and can easily be missed. That just adds to the genuinity of her actions, she only wanted to take care of, and protect Naruto, not to prove anything, nor to show anything, nor to impress anybody.

Edited by holy_demon, 15 November 2010 - 01:21 AM.