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[Sojobo]

Never really understood what the deal is with the people in the Naruto fandom, hating on all the Naruto girls.

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I dont' understand people who hates a fictional character.
You can love it, you can find it boring or you don't car about it, but hate it...?

Edited by Sojobo, 19 April 2013 - 08:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I'm not going to criticize the other forums but ... Since Sasuke has decided to become "good" and protect Konoha, now NF seems that it has become a place of amusement, cheerful chats between SS/NH users that until to one week before you cannot see all of them there. I guess that it's the same on other forums as Narutobase, etc ...
I do not want to be jerk and disrespect but I hope that sooner or later Kishimoto shut them up and give us a big help. I can't take it anymore!

I don't blame you at all.

All I can say is that the next volume (10 chapters) will be crucial because for general and pairing fans, it's all or never. The setup is that Madara and Obito are no longer attached to Juubi, so now Naruto and others won't allow them to get together with it again. The preview is already telling us that the next chapter is the battle and the next attack phase by Madara and Obito. Since they're loose, that could mean one thing: a boss fight. This is almost near end of the line because now this is the main phase of a fight. This is where the villains will show off everything they got and throw everything to overcome heroes. That said this moment is crucial and will be highlighted for years to come.

That said who's going to participate this phase of battle? Who's going to be the MVP that is not Naruto? How the villain(s) will be defeated? What developments will come to these characters? Will the main cast reunited before the final person shows up (Sasuke)? Is the whole romance can be clearer to everyone? Will Kishi **** out? That's why I see it crucial.

[James S Cassidy]

The thing is though, he built her up to the point where she could of importance OUTSIDE of just pairing fodder before, but now, it's just blah. I've had so much faith in this girl, and Kishi continuously closes the doors in my face when it comes to her. She hasn't had any major significance in quite awhile, and I truly truly hope next chapter before we get ANOTHER break that we see her.

If it's more Hinata, I'm gonna shake my head, and just remain speechless. LOL I think he's done with her for now though. If he spams her more, then it'll just be ridiculous.

The only female characters that have been more than that are of course the hokage, and the lava one. LOL I forget her name, but that's about it... The girls never have an amazing story. Sakura could have had one...

Sakura is actually being treated better than the way he treats Hinata or Ino or even Ten-Ten. This we should not forget. Hinata has been reduced to nothing more than pairing fodder, Ino is...well not enough info to give her importance and Ten-Ten even less than that. So what has he built Hinata to become? What has he built Ten-Ten to become? What has he built Ino to become? Not one can say they are a true asset to the story except for Sakura who has helped Naruto in the past on so many occasions.

Hinata hasn't even had a moment to really shine on her own. Again, people might bring up 615, but come on...the Hinata fans are overhyping that scene way to much and we know this. Speaking that it was really Neji's moment and his sacrifice that made it happen. Not Hinata's.

[MistFlower]

Sakura is actually being treated better than the way he treats Hinata or Ino or even Ten-Ten. This we should not forget. Hinata has been reduced to nothing more than pairing fodder, Ino is...well not enough info to give her importance and Ten-Ten even less than that. So what has he built Hinata to become? What has he built Ten-Ten to become? What has he built Ino to become? Not one can say they are a true asset to the story except for Sakura who has helped Naruto in the past on so many occasions.

Hinata hasn't even had a moment to really shine on her own. Again, people might bring up 615, but come on...the Hinata fans are overhyping that scene way to much and we know this. Speaking that it was really Neji's moment and his sacrifice that made it happen. Not Hinata's.

That is why it baffles me so much that people can't see why Sakura IS an important character. She has contributed so much more to the story and has had so much more character develpment that it's getting to the point that it's just...ridiculous if one cannot see that. And yes, Kishi's view of Sakura does stand out in comparison to the other Naruto girls, if I remember correctly he defended her title as heroine when others were calling for Hinata...I think that Kishi's views on Hinata should be kind of obvious by now. He's hindered her development and reduced her worth to that of pairing fodder. Just the fact that a huge amount of Hinata's development was crammed like sardines into a range of 1-2 chapters is enough proof that he couldn't find all that much to do with her IMO.

Also, I think that Sakura is put up to a higher standard than Hinata, despite the latter obviously being more popular than the former. Sakura's teammates are Naruto and Sasuke, and I think that since she's part of Team 7, people just assume that the heroine's role is to be as god-like as those two. And I think that's ludicrous. But unfortunately, people see more in Hinata because her, what, two scenes that she's actually done something have been quite..errr..plot-moving, so to speak.

Edited by MistFlower, 19 April 2013 - 08:56 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

That is why it baffles me so much that people can't see why Sakura IS an important character. She has contributed so much more to the story and has had so much more character develpment that it's getting to the point that it's just...ridiculous if one cannot see that. And yes, Kishi's view of Sakura does stand out in comparison to the other Naruto girls, if I remember correctly he defended her title as heroine when others were calling for Hinata...I think that Kishi's views on Hinata should be kind of obvious by now. He's hindered her development and reduced her worth to that of pairing fodder. Just the fact that a huge amount of Hinata's development was crammed like sardines into a range of 1-2 chapters is enough proof that he couldn't find all that much to do with her IMO.

Exactly. It is even sadder that in my opinion he seemed to think that he couldn't raise Hinata's bar due to no development so instead he lowers everyone elses bar just to make her look more important. I am sticking by this. I'm sorry to those who might disagree, but I strongly feel like he had to lower everyone elses bar just to make Hinata's bar look higher than it really is.

Yet, we have Sakura who has the development, who has helped on so many occasions, who both loves and cares about Naruto yet we have the fanbases saying that she should die. Why? I don't get it anymore.

Also, I think that Sakura is put up to a higher standard than Hinata, despite the latter obviously being more popular than the former. Sakura's teammates are Naruto and Sasuke, and I think that since she's part of Team 7, people just assume that the heroine's role is to be as god-like as those two. And I think that's ludicrous. But unfortunately, people see more in Hinata because her, what, two scenes that she's actually done something have been quite..errr..plot-moving, so to speak.

Hmm. That's an interesting thought...Sakura is being put on a pedestal that is too high for her. Maybe we put her on there as well sometimes.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2013 - 09:00 PM.

[StriderC]

Sakura is actually being treated better than the way he treats Hinata or Ino or even Ten-Ten. This we should not forget. Hinata has been reduced to nothing more than pairing fodder, Ino is...well not enough info to give her importance and Ten-Ten even less than that. So what has he built Hinata to become? What has he built Ten-Ten to become? What has he built Ino to become? Not one can say they are a true asset to the story except for Sakura who has helped Naruto in the past on so many occasions.

Hinata hasn't even had a moment to really shine on her own. Again, people might bring up 615, but come on...the Hinata fans are overhyping that scene way to much and we know this. Speaking that it was really Neji's moment and his sacrifice that made it happen. Not Hinata's.

Out of the younger generation, I would agree that Sakura's had better development/treatment. She's stepped outside of being just pairing fodder. She's done a ton in the story, but for me personally, she could of done more, better things.

Hinata's shining moments come only with the involvement of her love interest really while Sakura's didn't REVOLVE solely around her potential love interest.

1. Forest of Death- the focus was on vowing to herself to become a better ninja, and protect the people that inspired her. Naruto, Sasuke, Neji.

2. Chuunin Exams- Her fight with Ino didn't revolve around her love interests, BUT Naruto did help her break the jutsu that was cast on her and tie. I loved that part, and it further showed just how alike she and Naruto are.

3. Her fight with Sasori- While it was for information, she always protected someone who she had just met recently, and selflessly risked her life for this woman. Tsunade was a source in this fight as well as Naruto and Sasuke.

Just a few moments I can think of that stood out to me. Unfortunately, almost every Hinata moment was a NH moment and it revolved around Naruto.

And you're right about 615. It wasn't just Hinata's moment. It was Neji's and then that turned into Kurama and so on.

Ugh, next week needs to come onnnnnnnnnnn!!! T_T I'm gonna cry.

That is why it baffles me so much that people can't see why Sakura IS an important character. She has contributed so much more to the story and has had so much more character develpment that it's getting to the point that it's just...ridiculous if one cannot see that. And yes, Kishi's view of Sakura does stand out in comparison to the other Naruto girls, if I remember correctly he defended her title as heroine when others were calling for Hinata...I think that Kishi's views on Hinata should be kind of obvious by now. He's hindered her development and reduced her worth to that of pairing fodder. Just the fact that a huge amount of Hinata's development was crammed like sardines into a range of 1-2 chapters is enough proof that he couldn't find all that much to do with her IMO.

Also, I think that Sakura is put up to a higher standard than Hinata, despite the latter obviously being more popular than the former. Sakura's teammates are Naruto and Sasuke, and I think that since she's part of Team 7, people just assume that the heroine's role is to be as god-like as those two. And I think that's ludicrous. But unfortunately, people see more in Hinata because her, what, two scenes that she's actually done something have been quite..errr..plot-moving, so to speak.

LOL That line made me chuckle.

Edited by StriderC, 19 April 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Out of the younger generation, I would agree that Sakura's had better development/treatment. She's stepped outside of being just pairing fodder. She's done a ton in the story, but for me personally, she could of done more, better things.

Hinata's shining moments come only with the involvement of her love interest really while Sakura's didn't REVOLVE solely around her potential love interest.

And you're right about 615. It wasn't just Hinata's moment. It was Neji's and then that turned into Kurama and so on.

Ugh, next week needs to come onnnnnnnnnnn!!! T_T I'm gonna cry.

Which is sad because it means Hinata has no importance beyond Naruto. Without him, she doesn't exist. So why is she popular again? Oh yeah, because her fans make her out to be better than what she really is and they have no clue that most of the info they have on her is based on lies and fan-fiction.

If NS happens, will they care what happens to Hinata? No. They will just complain that Kishi screwed up on following through with the development and bash Sakura even harder into the ground.

To be fair, seeing how Kishi has treated his other female characters, I am happy he even did anything with Sakura that was beyond just pairing fodder.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[Tokura Misaki]

Hating an anime character = hating a paper

[StriderC]

Hating an anime character = hating a paper

Paper has made me cry before. :'( That's pretty impressive for paper to do. LOL

Which is sad because it means Hinata has no importance beyond Naruto. Without him, she doesn't exist. So why is she popular again? Oh yeah, because her fans make her out to be better than what she really is and they have no clue that most of the info they have on her is based on lies and fan-fiction.

If NS happens, will they care what happens to Hinata? No. They will just complain that Kishi screwed up on following through with the development and bash Sakura even harder into the ground.

To be fair, seeing how Kishi has treated his other female characters, I am happy he even did anything with Sakura that was beyond just pairing fodder.

He could of went even further with her but it's like he slowed it down quite a bit. Sakura has always had potential to be a truly amazing heroine. I can understand why some question this. Kishi does more with her character than the other females so of course, mixed responses are bound to happen. When you have a character like Hinata who's pretty much all sweet, and pretty much "perfect", you don't get much out of her IMO. And then her focus is pretty much solely Naruto so of course, she's a limited character.

Edited by StriderC, 19 April 2013 - 09:22 PM.

[Shadow1275]

That's kind of the problem right there. They hardly contribute anything to the story except for maybe Sakura who has least done something beyond just a pairing fodder. It's not the girls themselves, but how Kishi uses them and so far they have been used for nothing more than pairing fodders and fan-service.

He could use them for so much more.

don't forget Tsunade. She is no wallflower girl thats for sure

@Strider

Agreed, don't forget Sakura's relationship with Chiyo. That had nothing to do with Naruto or Sasuke. It was all bout her growing into a strong woman like Tsunade.

Edited by Shadow1275, 19 April 2013 - 09:22 PM.

[StriderC]

don't forget Tsunade. She is no wallflower girl thats for sure

@Strider

Agreed, don't forget Sakura's relationship with Chiyo. That had nothing to do with Naruto or Sasuke. It was all bout her growing into a strong woman like Tsunade.

LMAO I meant to add her in there, but I forgot. T_T Chiyo was such a great female character, and I loved the interactions she and Sakura had. I remember when that arc was over, and how excited I was to see what was to come for the girl who helped defeat an Akatsuki member. I'm almost sure a lot of you guys were looking forward to the same. Our Sakura had grown up soooo much!

[Tokura Misaki]

Paper has made me cry before. :'( That's pretty impressive for paper to do. LOL

Of course. Anime/manga can do that as long as papers are available.

Edited by sakutonaru, 19 April 2013 - 09:27 PM.

[StriderC]

Of course. Anime/manga can do that as long as papers are available.

LOL this is true. Very true indeed.

[Tokura Misaki]

LOL this is true. Very true indeed.

That's why hating an anime character is unhealthy. There are many Sakura haters in NF. Therefore, they're unhealthy.

[Inferno180]

There is one thing major fact over all other female characters with Sakura that haters may tend to forget.

Sakura is the main female in the series, not the ideal heroine but still developed well in character, yet if kishi does her wrong, this just brings down every other female save Tsunade and Kushina for obvious reasons, Tsunade was the only real female aside from Sakura who was well developed yet she had power and a fair amount battles, even if she dies its still better than most others. Kushina is just a support role for Naruto, but anyways if Kishi fails in Sakura, this just brings all other female characters down, get a bad image for your female lead, looks worse on all others. Its kinda sad how the other females with skill are not shown or were just dumped away, I mean Temari (minor character) Ten-ten(ok she is decent but still hardly shown, all she did was get to use the SOT6P fan), Yuigto (killed by Hidan and Kakuzu), Anko (turned into a power source desite the potential kishi could have used her for alongside Yamato, both being his leftover experiments who use it for good), and Konan (she was so popular for using merely paper and paper bombs, yet she dies in a simple way to Obito).

Those 5 females all have power, well tenten is up for debate but they are hardly shown. Tsunade is the only female with good fight scenes like Sakura (even just Sasori). The rest, Ino, Hinata, etc. They don't help the case of Sakura haters, if Sakura gets a bad imagine just makes it worse for them all save Tsunade (she did a good job) and Kushina (not a combatant). It does not help their case at all. Remember Hinata's abilities ever originating in the manga? No they originated in the pre-shippuden fillers. This is where Hinata got most of her powers, she had to get them from fillers rather than the manga, (then perriot pulls crap letting her somehow be a medical nin, thats another issue, to many female nins, there should be more male nins aside from Kabuto).

Funny how some stuff that started in fillers came back to the manga. (Hinata's moves, the 7 swordsman weapon Kiba (the lightning generating one), Matsuri-the girl who loves Gaara first seen in the ultimate wep filler arc, etc). Some stuff orginates in the fillers manages to make it into the manga. Anyways this is not good on the others, if Sakura gets hurt this just hurts the other females more. What I am saying is, if kishi messes up Sakura by means of SS or NH, well that just makes things even harder on Hinata, its still hard to follow her given most development is in fillers or rather does not exist.

It would still be hard to process, I mean Bee is not even in 70 chapters I'm pretty sure and he has more importance than Hinata and he is a true minor character with a bigger role right now. Its just hard to process fandom hate and love logic, the only answer for this equation is insanity.

Not trying to bash any fandoms or whatever, this stuff just burns my brain out.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really starting to think we are misguided. Not NS part but rather the opposite. That's just me.

[HauntedCake]

I really starting to think we are misguided. Not NS part but rather the opposite. That's just me.

what do you mean???

next volume is cruicial for pairing i think just as nsfl said

[TouKen4Life3g]

what do you mean???

next volume is cruicial for pairing i think just as nsfl said

Tobi. That's all. I don't know why but lately, I feel like we are looking it the wrong way. Not NS. More like NS is always on the radar. I just feel this way.

[六道仙人]

Tobi. That's all. I don't know why but lately, I feel like we are looking it the wrong way. Not NS. More like NS is always on the radar. I just feel this way.

what ya mean with this about tobi? Could you explain it better?

[TouKen4Life3g]

what ya mean with this about tobi? Could you explain it better?

Well the obvious route but trying to be edgy by thinking Tobi is not Obito. Lately, maybe because I'm calmer, I feel this way now.