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#17541 James S Cassidy

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 19 2013, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruhina, I would be upset at kishi for these reasons:
1. Years of buildup sidelined for hardly any. Hardly any emotion in NH compared to what we got with NS.
2. People somehow loving a character who is more important in anime fillers than the manga (this is where hinata is sadly)
3. It would damage Naruto's character literally having him give up.
4. Hinata would literally be a fodder romance character, Naruto simply settled for her rather than had efforts.
5. The parallels would be pointless.
6. It would undermine Naruto's role as a cycle breaker, the guy who resolves everything, why should he fail with Sakura? If anything its ironic that the only people he has not yet turned over fully are Sasuke (due to his vendetta) and Sakura (due to her ideal love for Sasuke), is the full circle development of team 7 not a situaiton in which I don't know, Naruto is hokage, Sasuke is acknowling him and his friend, Sakura is happy the promise is fulfilled and happy Sasuke is back and forgives him but goes to Naruto rather than Sasuke, you know the opposite of what we first saw with:



Funny enough, Inferno, a lot of NH fans pick on Sakura because they say "She doesn't love Naruto. He is just her "fallback guy" since she can't have Sasuke." I find this kind of ironic seeing how if being the "fallback lover" is such a bad thing to them, wouldn't Naruto only be with Hinata because he couldn't have Sakura thus making Hinata a "fallback girl?" "Naruto doesn't love Hinata. He is just with her cause he couldn't have Sakura."

It's always funny they never think these through with that logic. Never thinking it can be applied both ways.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 19 2013, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny enough, Inferno, a lot of NH fans pick on Sakura because they say "She doesn't love Naruto. He is just her "fallback guy" since she can't have Sasuke." I find this kind of ironic seeing how if being the "fallback lover" is such a bad thing to them, wouldn't Naruto only be with Hinata because he couldn't have Sakura thus making Hinata a "fallback girl?" "Naruto doesn't love Hinata. He is just with her cause he couldn't have Sakura."

It's always funny they never think these through with that logic. Never thinking it can be applied both ways.

And this here is why the whole reason a love triangle should not have been introduced in a manga written by a guy who says he sucks at writing romance. In theory it makes sense in the "Heroes Journey" but he sucks at putting it into practice, at least for the "obsessive" fans.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 19 2013, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny enough, Inferno, a lot of NH fans pick on Sakura because they say "She doesn't love Naruto. He is just her "fallback guy" since she can't have Sasuke." I find this kind of ironic seeing how if being the "fallback lover" is such a bad thing to them, wouldn't Naruto only be with Hinata because he couldn't have Sakura thus making Hinata a "fallback girl?" "Naruto doesn't love Hinata. He is just with her cause he couldn't have Sakura."

It's always funny they never think these through with that logic. Never thinking it can be applied both ways.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Inferno180 @ Apr 19 2013, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Well the whole role of the editor being considered the boss of the mangkia, what does this mean when we heard stories about how Kishi has gone through 5 editors? headscratch.gif

Just hope those changes didn't involve removing NaruSaku as was shown throughout the majority of the series. It makes sense that any manga needs to move out before deadlines and at an even pace but it really sucks to know this could also butcher the story. All we know is that Naruto will meet Minato and the fight between Naruto and Sasuke will be last and Sakura is still going to have some role too, but its kinda a bummer to know that a simple suggestion could tank an enitre story. I still believe NaruSaku will happen, I just hope that it is a part of the ending not removed. I mean we could imagine that Sasuke's new outlook could cause an effect on Sakura between him and Naruto and she ends up siding with Naruto as her full development still. I mean the orginal ending if Sasuke simply would have kept revenge or gone on with it after listening to the kages, it still would have made Sakura take Naruto's side no questions asked. NS can still happen despite the new Sasuke's moderate view rather than emo-revenge driven view, I mean Sakura can still struggle with moving away from Sasuke and be tempted to go back only to mature and go towards Naruto. I believe NaruSaku will happen, its just that if it does not, lots of damage and disappoinement in the fact that people would respect either Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, or Hinata if NH or SS was triggered, SS the whole story is just a merchanised fanfiction.

Naruhina, I would be upset at kishi for these reasons:
1. Years of buildup sidelined for hardly any. Hardly any emotion in NH compared to what we got with NS.
2. People somehow loving a character who is more important in anime fillers than the manga (this is where hinata is sadly)
3. It would damage Naruto's character literally having him give up.
4. Hinata would literally be a fodder romance character, Naruto simply settled for her rather than had efforts.
5. The parallels would be pointless.
6. It would undermine Naruto's role as a cycle breaker, the guy who resolves everything, why should he fail with Sakura? If anything its ironic that the only people he has not yet turned over fully are Sasuke (due to his vendetta) and Sakura (due to her ideal love for Sasuke), is the full circle development of team 7 not a situaiton in which I don't know, Naruto is hokage, Sasuke is acknowling him and his friend, Sakura is happy the promise is fulfilled and happy Sasuke is back and forgives him but goes to Naruto rather than Sasuke, you know the opposite of what we first saw with:

Naruto: I'm gonna be hokage! Argh Sakura stop hitting me! SASUKE YOU JERK!
Sakura: OMG SASUKE-KUN! Idiot NARUTO!
Sasuke: Revenge, F-off both of you.

Don't you expect the ending for team 7 to be the exact opposite this? You know coming full circle.

finally the last reason, I would honestly hate all the annoying banter of the NH or other anti-sakura fans, it would be a grand scale embarresment for this fandom overall, not for the NS crowd, for the entire Naruto fanbase, people would have taken to loving a minor character with overblown proportions, liking a story reduced to a common 3rd grader story, they would have loved essentially a serialized fanfiction. It would give Naruto fans everywhere an incredibly bad name, it would just be an embarresment to see praise over such an event in a story which could destablize so much and contradict so much more and seeing people just enjoy or accept it. This is something I hope never comes.

If NaruSaku is canon, yeah this can still happen with us doing the banter, the only difference, ours is within logic not harming the story and we would have a valid reason for our banter, its cause the manga did this the whole time. (not going to do this even if NS comes true though, I'd rather enjoy the complaints as the undoing of the NH fandom).


Trust me a lot of Sasuke fans on NF wants, Sasuke to TNJ Naruto, Naruto to get beat up so Sasuke can saves his life, Sakura to ignore Naruto once Sasuke arrives and lastly now they want Kishimoto to make Sasuke the next Hokage instead of Naruto.
All of this so they can still keep bashing Naruto, believe me most Sasuke fans excluding 99.9% of SK, SasuNaru, and NS/Team 7 fans really dislikes Naruto, to a point where even some of them even wants him dead.

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Apr 19 2013, 01:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Honestly, that's all interpretation and if that's the case, that movie sure made a contradiction wouldn't it, especially it's all his 100%. It's not even about NS, it's about the fact she was there in many moments, so this is people's interpretation. Honestly, I believe he still cares for her the most in female. It just so happen that timing is not hers yet, so in a way, we are kind of being spoiled. Granted it's been a while, but patient is the name of the game in this arc. Put it this way, I will come back to this after this next volume is done, ok. I mean come on, he sure has Sakura key chain being for sake of being there. Where's Naruto? Seriously, I do think she is still on his radar, but again, waiting game is the main game in this arc. So yeah, I will leave it that.


Yes is being a while but If I'm honest with you am not that work up about Sakura appearance I know she will eventually show up, but the Sakura getting some supper power up or gating a big role is not something I desperately want doesn't mean I will not well come it with open harms. But I'm more concerned with her emotional development and her weakness since to me the spotlight she got in the Manga cannot be outmatched by any other female character aside from Tsunade, not to mention her FOD performance, her fight against Ino, her completely turn around from part one to part two and her Sasori fight, to me Sakura role is great, but if I did not mention this in the past because I might be seeing the same way another user on this forum was look at, in other words I'm not asking for that much compere to others when it comes to Sakura since most of the heroine I seeing in most Anime s don't get half of the focus Sakura has gotten, I only want Kishi to give the readers a good reason to stop hating on Sakura so much.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 19 2013, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Trust me a lot of Sasuke fans on NF wants, Sasuke to TNJ Naruto, Naruto to get beat up so Sasuke can saves his life, Sakura to ignore Naruto once Sasuke arrives and lastly now they want Kishimoto to make Sasuke the next Hokage instead of Naruto.
All of this so they can still keep bashing Naruto, believe me most Sasuke fans excluding 99.9% of SK, SasuNaru, and NS/Team 7 fans really dislikes Naruto, to a point where even some of them even wants him dead.



Yes is being a while but If I'm honest with you am not that work up about Sakura appearance I know she will eventually show up, but the Sakura getting some supper power up or gating a big role is not something I desperately want doesn't mean I will not well come it with open harms. But I'm more concerned with her emotional development and her weakness since to me the spotlight she got in the Manga cannot be outmatched by any other female character aside from Tsunade, not to mention her FOD performance, her fight against Ino, her completely turn around from part one to part two and her Sasori fight, to me Sakura role is great, but if I did not mention this in the past because I might be seeing the same way another user on this forum was look at, in other words I'm not asking for that much compere to others when it comes to Sakura since most of the heroine I seeing in most Anime s don't get half of the focus Sakura has gotten, I only want Kishi to give the readers a good reason to stop hating on Sakura so much.

That's too late.
And to enforce this you just pointed out about SS fans about hating Naruto.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Apr 19 2013, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Trust me a lot of Sasuke fans on NF wants, Sasuke to TNJ Naruto, Naruto to get beat up so Sasuke can saves his life, Sakura to ignore Naruto once Sasuke arrives and lastly now they want Kishimoto to make Sasuke the next Hokage instead of Naruto.
All of this so they can still keep bashing Naruto, believe me most Sasuke fans excluding 99.9% of SK, SasuNaru, and NS/Team 7 fans really dislikes Naruto, to a point where even some of them even wants him dead.



Yes is being a while but If I'm honest with you am not that work up about Sakura appearance I know she will eventually show up, but the Sakura getting some supper power up or gating a big role is not something I desperately want doesn't mean I will not well come it with open harms. But I'm more concerned with her emotional development and her weakness since to me the spotlight she got in the Manga cannot be outmatched by any other female character aside from Tsunade, not to mention her FOD performance, her fight against Ino, her completely turn around from part one to part two and her Sasori fight, to me Sakura role is great, but if I did not mention this in the past because I might be seeing the same way another user on this forum was look at, in other words I'm not asking for that much compere to others when it comes to Sakura since most of the heroine I seeing in most Anime s don't get half of the focus Sakura has gotten, I only want Kishi to give the readers a good reason to stop hating on Sakura so much.


You want fans to stop bashing Sakura. What you're asking is "impossible". Kishi can give Sakura a power up, she can beat Obito or punch Sasuke or even aid Naruto saving the world and you know what, it wont change a thing. Those haters will never stop bashing her it will never end. A lot of those bashers are really jealous of Sakura because she's the heroine and the one Naruto loves. And a lot of them would wish that Hinata was the one who is" close" to Naruto the same way Sakura is to him.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 19 2013, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's too late.
And to enforce this you just pointed out about SS fans about hating Naruto.


No Dαrkrєrsŧ don't get me in any trouble I never stated a name of any specific fandom since most NH fans don't bash Naruto, the same with Minato, Kakashi, Iruka, Kushina, Jiraiya fans.

I just said that I seeing a lot of Sasuke fans bashing Naruto but the ones I don't see are the one I listed. I say that because I see threads they create in the NF Konoha Telegram new chapter release and the Anti Naruto Usumaki FC, I was asking myself who will really hate Naruto while reading the guy story but I was surprise by reading their post.



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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:19 PM

I'm not going to criticize the other forums but ... Since Sasuke has decided to become "good" and protect Konoha, now NF seems that it has become a place of amusement, cheerful chats between SS/NH users that until to one week before you cannot see all of them there. I guess that it's the same on other forums as Narutobase, etc ...
I do not want to be jerk and disrespect but I hope that sooner or later Kishimoto shut them up and give us a big help. I can't take it anymore!

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ Apr 19 2013, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not going to criticize the other forums but ... Since Sasuke has decided to become "good" and protect Konoha, now NF seems that it has become a place of amusement, cheerful chats between SS/NH users that until to one week before you cannot see all of them there. I guess that it's the same on other forums as Narutobase, etc ...
I do not want to be jerk and disrespect but I hope that sooner or later Kishimoto shut them up and give us a big help. I can't take it anymore!


What exactly do they say? I don't really visit other forums so I wouldn't know.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:42 PM

I don't know what type of fans are those that bash Naruto, and also those that bash Sakura. Thou Sakura character is a bit harder to comprehend then the other ones because she is the single most odd character in the entire Narutoverse. She is the mediocre girl that was frown in a team with scions of 2 belligerent ideas. A girl who has no special heritage was forced to bear witness to a almost murderous rivalry between the 2 most powerful shinobis in her world and she can't do anything.

But she did develop. Not necessarily with special jutsus but more in resolve. The only problem she had and still seems to have is that she kinda gives up.

She let Naruto get Sasuke back after she failed,

She tried to stop Naruto in his kyuubi form but failed again,

and lastly up until now she failed in killing Sasuke.

Now the problem with the shinobi arc is that it is a arc that focuses on the side characters. There were even new ones introduced and Kishi felt like making a backstory and some closure for them as well. Even when Naruto joined the battlefield there were personal battles fought between different side characters. There are only a few characters left to develop we have yet to see the resolution of Kakashi and Tsunade, but seeing the current events it's coming close.

And then we have team 7. The original one at least. Now where we see the ancient hatreds as conflict between Naruto and Sasuke the team 7 dynamic is mostly all about Sakura.

And right now Sakura's development is biggest mystery, because we can speculate where it can go but frankly we have no idea. Now there's also the possibility that Sakura won't have closure during this war but many elements regarding her character are getting close.

There are big 3:
the Obirin parallel and right now Naruto is facing Obito
Tsunade's critical state
Sasuke's arrival on the battlefield.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

Admittedly, the apprehension for the next chapter is high for me personally. There are a myriad of possibilities that could be effectuated; Hinata receiving even more screen time whilst forsaking Sakura's heroine status even further being one distinct and odious hypothetical occurrence. I'm hoping with all of my heart that Kishi remembers who Sakura is and allows for her to receive some much needed development beyond the pairing situation. Not just for her sake but for all of ours as well. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been of a distressed mindset ever since the reinforcements arrived to help Naruto. Since then alot of "unsatisfactory" events have taken place that have really shook this community to the core.

That aside, some very interesting and in-depth arguments have been presented in this topic that I enjoy. Unfortunately I must confess to TLDR for many of them because of reading the posts on other boards more often than probably recommended that take up so much time but it really shows a level of dedication that instills some hope into me that Kishi hasn't completely forgotten what his manga was originally about.

Some of you guys would really make awesome debaters on a few particular Naruto forums.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

Sakura will always be hated by most of Naruto fan's. It's not only Hinata fans, there are a lot of people who don't like the character.
And seeing her with Naruto will not help them appreciating her. It's too late, and the War just confirms what they are thinking about her, that she's a useless character.
What did Sakura after Sasori's fight ? Be honest, she did nothing but making trouble for Naruto.


Even if she will shine against Obito and towards Naruto, people will not forget that in the whole manga, she didn't do a thing.
It's hard to admit, but even if Hinata didn't have a super fight, she did greater than Sakura at the moment about Naruto. That's a fact that can't be denied if you're showing yoursekf objective.
I like Sakura as a character, I'm not fan of her, I'm more fan of her character and her relationship with Naruto. I loved watching Sasori's fight, but that doesn't mean I love to see Sakura fighting.


Anyway, it's too late for Kishimoto, Sakura will always be seen as an egocentric human.
And if NaruSaku happens, it will just increase NH hatred.


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Same for Karin and Ino, girls wich are hated from by the fans.
We're talking about a few people who likes them.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ Apr 19 2013, 04:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Admittedly, the apprehension for the next chapter is high for me personally. There are a myriad of possibilities that could be effectuated; Hinata receiving even more screen time whilst forsaking Sakura's heroine status even further being one distinct and odious hypothetical occurrence. I'm hoping with all of my heart that Kishi remembers who Sakura is and allows for her to receive some much needed development beyond the pairing situation. Not just for her sake but for all of ours as well. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has been of a distressed mindset ever since the reinforcements arrived to help Naruto. Since then alot of "unsatisfactory" events have taken place that have really shook this community to the core.

That aside, some very interesting and in-depth arguments have been presented in this topic that I enjoy. Unfortunately I must confess to TLDR for many of them because of reading the posts on other boards more often than probably recommended that take up so much time but it really shows a level of dedication that instills some hope into me that Kishi hasn't completely forgotten what his manga was originally about.

Some of you guys would really make awesome debaters on a few particular Naruto forums.

Just to remind about this makes me rage.

Possibility of undo 540.
Possibility of Sakura's shining time being connected to Sasuke.
More Hinata screentime.
Sakura going back to Sasuke.
Reviving SasuSaku.
Naruto not Redeeming Sasuke.
Sakura doing nothing usefull for Naruto.
HOLY @#@$$#

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 April 2013 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Apr 19 2013, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just to remind about this makes me rage.

Possibility of undo 540.
Possibility of Sakura's shining time being connected to Sasuke.
More Hinata screentime.
Sakura going back to Sasuke.
Reviving SasuSaku.
Naruto not Redeeming Sasuke.
Sakura doing nothing usefull for Naruto.
HOLY @#@$$#


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:04 PM

Never really understood what the deal is with the people in the Naruto fandom, hating on all the Naruto girls. Yeah, none of them contribute all that much to the action and everything, but I don't find any of them hateworthy at all.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ Apr 19 2013, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Was my post unfavourable to you? I can understand your sentiments because I share them but I meant what I said. Do you want to me delete that post?

In fact i was agreeing with you.
And saying that the general apprehension is justificable.
Despite everyone saying that NS is endgame or whatever, it's impossible to hide that everyone is concerned about the next chapters.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:10 PM

QUOTE (MistFlower @ Apr 19 2013, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never really understood what the deal is with the people in the Naruto fandom, hating on all the Naruto girls. Yeah, none of them contribute all that much to the action and everything, but I don't find any of them hateworthy at all.


That's kind of the problem right there. They hardly contribute anything to the story except for maybe Sakura who has least done something beyond just a pairing fodder. It's not the girls themselves, but how Kishi uses them and so far they have been used for nothing more than pairing fodders and fan-service.

He could use them for so much more.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:15 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 19 2013, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's kind of the problem right there. They hardly contribute anything to the story except for maybe Sakura who has least done something beyond just a pairing fodder. It's not the girls themselves, but how Kishi uses them and so far they have been used for nothing more than pairing fodders and fan-service.

He could use them for so much more.

Hence it's why i believe he rushed the story on shippuuden there were a lot of jinchuurikis that did not showed up or had an arc for them, also some even got captured off panel.
If he made it for them could give more depth for the story and have more scenarios to use the kunoichis.

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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:20 PM

Sometimes it baffles me when I read comments regarding Hinata being more supported towards Naruto, so far Hinata telling Naruto that it didn't matter if he lost to Neji she was OK with a proud failure ch 98, Her confession ch 437 and her encouragement help ch 615 is all we can say about Hinata, but some how she has down more for Naruto than what Sakura has down when the Manga itself shows something else.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ Apr 19 2013, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's kind of the problem right there. They hardly contribute anything to the story except for maybe Sakura who has least done something beyond just a pairing fodder. It's not the girls themselves, but how Kishi uses them and so far they have been used for nothing more than pairing fodders and fan-service.

He could use them for so much more.


The thing is though, he built her up to the point where she could of importance OUTSIDE of just pairing fodder before, but now, it's just blah. I've had so much faith in this girl, and Kishi continuously closes the doors in my face when it comes to her. She hasn't had any major significance in quite awhile, and I truly truly hope next chapter before we get ANOTHER break that we see her.

If it's more Hinata, I'm gonna shake my head, and just remain speechless. LOL I think he's done with her for now though. If he spams her more, then it'll just be ridiculous.

The only female characters that have been more than that are of course the hokage, and the lava one. LOL I forget her name, but that's about it... The girls never have an amazing story. Sakura could have had one...




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