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[TouKen4Life3g]

can someone clear all this up about the mangaka and editors. I would really hate for the editors to be making the story and not kishi......

It depends on the conditions. They only suggest/advice the mangaka for something, which Kishi did point out for Team Taka to have a battle with Kisame, which really never happened. To me, he has more power than we all think. He's in control of story, though he could take a suggestion like "Oh yeah, I should have this character to help this character in a minor way" or anything like that. That is not to say he will change the story. That's up to him and him alone. I wonder how many tried to use their power in order to get fired by Kishi. As for Toriyama, remember, his story already ended technically in Frieza Saga. Everything else, he can just go with it. All in all, I understand this excuse, but I wouldn't use it until he himself say so.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 19 April 2013 - 03:20 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

This I understand. Well, what I said in the chapter thread, I am in the middle. I don't know if this is a good development chapter or a bad one. One thing I can say is it was rushed, mainly after the decision was made. It should have been two chapters. That said I do agree with you about not being executed well. Writing two endings could be used in the ambiguous way. Funny thing is if the creator of Death Note took control of Naruto, he would have Naruto and Sasuke dead at the very end. He always seem to be the type of person that likes ending them dead but leave a message. Heck, even if the made-up manga in Bakuman has that ending and guess what, it's the number 1 manga in that universe. Talk about ego. Luckily (maybe sadly) that is not the case for Naruto. I just hope a good emotional battle though.

Due true. Still I wonder how much this idea would go over. Sort of like the movie Clue did with "This is how it could have ended," but then again this is based off the theme of the movie of the board that had several different outcomes.

Yeah, the twists are getting old. But that's Sasuke for you, the guy who tries to understand where he's going, much like us trying to understand where is this manga going. Oh I remember that scene completely. I said, "Oh *beep*" out loud that time. Well, they didn't drop nuke 3 times in MW2 though, but I get what you're saying. Quite frankly, I think they went far with that highly offensive airport scene. Not me, but one friend of mine was. Anyway, yeah, it is tiring and to be honest, it's most likely that we will get another one from Sasuke. I know it's troublesome, but sigh, guess we have to deal with it. The fight will happen, but yeah, getting there by judging Sasuke alone is getting tiresome. I guess we are almost near done, so yeah, bare with it once more.

Bolded: Why is everything I say taken so literally? lol. It's just referring to the "shock and awe" moments.

Anyway, It's just getting tiresome like you said. How many more times is this going to keep happening? Sasuke kept stalling saying he has to find more answers meanwhile we have Obito who turned evil and never even questioned it. Never even occurred him to ask why Kakashi had to kill Rin. So, fair enough to say people have turned good or evil for less reasons than Sasuke has and done it in less time.

I mean, I kind of have to put up with this, but my question is how much longer must the fans put with it till we get to that final moment?

[Don-kun]

Could you please tell me when did Kishi said he would write more about Hinata because I don't remember that at all.

That I saw it myself, sadly it would be impossible to find since it was on the Movie thread, he was talking something about the current Hinata vs the movie Hinata the only reason why I remember that is because it makes me rage for the fact that later on he promise an interview about Sakura but didn't say anything great about her character.

can someone clear all this up about the mangaka and editors. I would really hate for the editors to be making the story and not kishi......

Well Kishi did mention that he was glad that he finally has full control of what he wanted to do and wish that he had more freedom, but to be honest I feel Editors can recommend to add stuff but something tells me they cannot change the Author original ending.

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@Don-Kun

Is ur gif from a movie? And if so which one?

[Gravenimage]

@Don-Kun

Is ur gif from a movie? And if so which one?

I think the gif is from the 3rd movie.

[Don-kun]

@Don-Kun

Is ur gif from a movie? And if so which one?

From Movie 3. This scene is from the hospital scene.



@James S Cassidy

I guess Kishi wants to keep Sasuke gray that way he won't have much problem trying to redeem him in the readers eye.
Also the reason why Kishi always try to find an excuse to keep Sasuke in the manga is mostly because of the huge fan base he has.
After RTN promotion no one will ever convince me that Kishi isn't all about rating.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 03:45 PM.

[redragon88]

That I saw it myself, sadly it would be impossible to find since it was on the Movie thread, he was talking something about the current Hinata vs the movie Hinata the only reason why I remember that is because it makes me rage for the fact that later on he promise an interview about Sakura but didn't say anything great about her character.

Wasn't that the playboy interview in which Kishi said he created Hinata to have a big breasted character in the series but since Hinata wears big clothes that her breast were waisted.

Not the most flattering opinion about her if you ask me.

[James S Cassidy]

From Movie 3. This scene is from the hospital scene.



@James S Cassidy

I guess Kishi wants to keep Sasuke gray that way he won't have much problem trying to redeem him in the readers eye.
Also the reason why Kishi always try to find an excuse to keep Sasuke in the manga is mostly because of the huge fan base he has.
After RTN promotion no one will ever convince me that Kishi isn't all about rating.

Are you sure that is the real reason? It seems more like he is just stalling.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Due true. Still I wonder how much this idea would go over. Sort of like the movie Clue did with "This is how it could have ended," but then again this is based off the theme of the movie of the board that had several different outcomes.




Bolded: Why is everything I say taken so literally? lol. It's just referring to the "shock and awe" moments.

Anyway, It's just getting tiresome like you said. How many more times is this going to keep happening? Sasuke kept stalling saying he has to find more answers meanwhile we have Obito who turned evil and never even questioned it. Never even occurred him to ask why Kakashi had to kill Rin. So, fair enough to say people have turned good or evil for less reasons than Sasuke has and done it in less time.

I mean, I kind of have to put up with this, but my question is how much longer must the fans put with it till we get to that final moment?

Lol, well I did say I know you meant later on on shock and awe. That said yeah that's the thing, if you noticed, the manga is so close to the end, that everything is becoming more straightforward. So I guess he's trying to stay complex, but sooner or later, it's all going to be straightforward path, no matter how much he's trying. My best guess is the next volume will get the clear answer to many things, let alone pairing wise.

@Don-Kun: I know now. You're addressing the part in which part of change in AU! is most noticeable and he said Hinata because let's face it, she's the change that we know that will never, e-e-e-e-e-e-ever, happen. It's no wonder I like her. But yeah, he was asked that because well, got to answer it. Funny how he considers her as fan service character as of now according to one interview. Anyway, when it comes to ad, it's all fun. When it comes to the real thing, well if you saw the movie, he basically said, "Only in your fanfiction."

[James S Cassidy]

Lol, well I did say I know you meant later on on shock and awe. That said yeah that's the thing, if you noticed, the manga is so close to the end, that everything is becoming more straightforward. So I guess he's trying to stay complex, but sooner or later, it's all going to be straightforward path, no matter how much he's trying. My best guess is the next volume will get the clear answer to many things, let alone pairing wise.

Yeah, which could lead to him rushing things I guess. It's just bugging me though that with us coming to an end he would focus more on answering questions then try to create more of them. I guess I can understand still trying to make things complex and interesting, but it's getting pretty close to the point like you mentioned where he has to play it straight.

Can't keep throwing twists forever. Sooner or later you have to answer the big questions.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Wasn't that the playboy interview in which Kishi said he created Hinata to have a big breasted character in the series but since Hinata wears big clothes that her breast were waisted.

Not the most flattering opinion about her if you ask me.

If the character can talk, she will be depressed.

Yeah, which could lead to him rushing things I guess. It's just bugging me though that with us coming to an end he would focus more on answering questions then try to create more of them. I guess I can understand still trying to make things complex and interesting, but it's getting pretty close to the point like you mentioned where he has to play it straight.

Can't keep throwing twists forever. Sooner or later you have to answer the big questions.

Agreed. That's my main fear at this time: execution. I guess I have to stay in this ride longer.

[Don-kun]

Wasn't that the playboy interview in which Kishi said he created Hinata to have a big breasted character in the series but since Hinata wears big clothes that her breast were waisted.

Not the most flattering opinion about her if you ask me.

No Am not talking about that magazine, he was something about fans would be surprise about this sweet like girl something among the lines, the fact is that he said something nice about Hinata for the Manga.

Are you sure that is the real reason? It seems more like he is just stalling.

James I don't know what you mean by stalling and to be honest I don't heaving know the meaning of that word.

Lol, well I did say I know you meant later on on shock and awe. That said yeah that's the thing, if you noticed, the manga is so close to the end, that everything is becoming more straightforward. So I guess he's trying to stay complex, but sooner or later, it's all going to be straightforward path, no matter how much he's trying. My best guess is the next volume will get the clear answer to many things, let alone pairing wise.

@Don-Kun: I know now. You're addressing the part in which part of change in AU! is most noticeable and he said Hinata because let's face it, she's the change that we know that will never, e-e-e-e-e-e-ever, happen. It's no wonder I like her. But yeah, he was asked that because well, got to answer it. Funny how he considers her as fan service character as of now according to one interview. Anyway, when it comes to ad, it's all fun. When it comes to the real thing, well if you saw the movie, he basically said, "Only in your fanfiction."

Am not talking about the big B comment it was more about Hinata's change in character something that lead me to believe that when it was his tourn to talk about Sakura he would also say something nice about her.

Anyway I know what I read since the Hinata fan boys were bragging a lot while downgrading Sakura, and later on many Sakura fans were very angry that he talk so good about Hinata but Sakura was non factor in his interview. Sadly i really don't want to go searching NF archive to find that interview.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No Am not talking about that magazine, he was something about fans would be surprise about this sweet like girl something among the lines, the fact is that he said something nice about Hinata for the Manga.


James I don't know what you mean by stalling and to be honest I don't heaving know the meaning of that word.



Am not talking about the big B comment it was more about Hinata's change in character something that lead me to believe that when it was his tourn to talk about Sakura he would also say something nice about her.

Anyway I know what I read since the Hinata fan boys were bragging a lot while downgrading Sakura, and later on many Sakura fans were very angry that he talk so good about Hinata but Sakura was non factor in his interview. Sadly i really don't want to go searching NF archive to find that interview.

I think fans are getting to you. Here's the thing, he was asked about the character changes, so he gave Hinata as an example because she was one if not the most noticeable change. It was about AU! not in general. As for Sakura, they asked her about her parents. It's about the questions that's being asked to the person. It's not like he decided to have free speech and say anything that's not related to the question. He can't go all praise Sakura when he was asked something differently. So yeah, I think you are persuaded. Trust me, I know the deal.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 19 April 2013 - 04:26 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

James I don't know what you mean by stalling and to be honest I don't heaving know the meaning of that word.

stall 1 (stôl)
v. stalled, stall·ing, stalls
v.tr.
1. To put or lodge in a stall.
2. To maintain in a stall for fattening: to stall cattle.
3. To halt the motion or progress of; bring to a standstill.
4. To cause (a motor or motor vehicle) accidentally to stop running.
5. To cause (an aircraft) to go into a stall.
v.intr.

Person A: Wait, you can't go, you have to see this magic trick I just learned.
Person B: You're just trying to stall me aren't you?
Person A: You think....I'm....stalling? You....think....I'm.....purposely.....stalling.....you?


Let me give you an in manga example. I could say Sasuke "looking" for answers to a clan is a stalling tactic simply because the battle with Obito and Madara was still going on. Can't have Sasuke go after Naruto if he is busy with the fight and we know he has the perfect time to attack the village and destroy it like he said he wanted to do. Yet he doesn't because he still has to look for "answers" that even Naruto could have told him what they were. Even now with him being "good" could be a stalling tactic as he has to fight Naruto and still can't with Madara and Obito with the ten-tails on the loose.

There really was no reason why Sasuke needed those "answers" and there have been villains already in this manga as I said who turned to evil for less reasons.

Sasuke reminds me of Hamlet a little bit. How he always stalled in killing his Uncle

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 April 2013 - 04:42 PM.

[Don-kun]

I think fans are getting to you. Here's the thing, he was asked about the character changes, so he gave Hinata as an example because she was one if not the most noticeable change. It was about AU! not in general. As for Sakura, they asked her about her parents. It's about the questions that's being asked to the person. It's not like he decided to have free speech and say anything that's not related to the question. He can't go all praise Sakura when he was asked something differently. So yeah, I think you are persuaded. Trust me, I know the deal.

Oh so that is what you believe happen to me?
I see OK then no problem.

stall 1 (stôl)
v. stalled, stall·ing, stalls
v.tr.
1. To put or lodge in a stall.
2. To maintain in a stall for fattening: to stall cattle.
3. To halt the motion or progress of; bring to a standstill.
4. To cause (a motor or motor vehicle) accidentally to stop running.
5. To cause (an aircraft) to go into a stall.
v.intr.

Person A: Wait, you can't go, you have to see this magic trick I just learned.
Person B: You're just trying to stall me aren't you?
Person A: You think....I'm....stalling? You....think....I'm.....purposely.....stalling.....you?

OK I get it, in other words instead of giving us the full story about Sasuke and get it over with he decides to give us piece by piece so he can keep Sasuke along with the plot or purposely stop his development to keep him on board the long ride.

Is that what you meant?

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 04:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh so that is what you believe happen to me?
I see OK then no problem.

Well, don't take it hard. You mentioned the fans and honestly, some of them will go very far to shove it down to our throats. My response to the whole thing is timing. It so happened that it feels strangely right to say those claims when not only manga goes slow, but do it when the alliance arrives, only to be in phase 1 of the battle, which is ok and all, but it's not over. It's like two tragic moments happen in one week and many would assume it's all connected, but it's only coincidence. Yes, I am referring to current event. In short, it's coincidence to say that due to timing. I hope you don't take me in a bad way because of what I said.

[James S Cassidy]

OK I get it, in other words instead of giving us the full story about Sasuke and get it over with he decides to give us piece by piece so he can keep Sasuke along with the plot or purposely stop his development to keep him on board the long ride.

Is that what you meant?

Yeah. Also like what I wrote with how since Naruto is already busy fighting Madara and Obito, so he can't fight Sasuke at the moment. He has Sasuke go on these side quests so he can finish off the Madara and Obito fight.

[Don-kun]

Well, don't take it hard. You mentioned the fans and honestly, some of them will go very far to shove it down to our throats. My response to the whole thing is timing. It so happened that it feels strangely right to say those claims when not only manga goes slow, but do it when the alliance arrives, only to be in phase 1 of the battle, which is ok and all, but it's not over. It's like two tragic moments happen in one week and many would assume it's all connected, but it's only coincidence. Yes, I am referring to current event. In short, it's coincidence to say that due to timing. I hope you don't take me in a bad way because of what I said.

But I never said the fans made that claim it was posted by Narutoshippuden since he was the only one posting those video., what I said is that the Hinata fan boys were bragging while bashing Sakura because he only talked a lot about Hinata but when it was Sakura turn he just said this and that then he was over, his interview about Sakura were use against her character and that we should not be fulled by him showing her key chain since it was obvious that Kishi does not like Sakura. I know this well because it was a large topic in the NF Sakura FC section back then.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 April 2013 - 04:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But I never said the fans made that claim it was posted by Narutoshippuden since he was the only one posting those video., what I said is that the Hinata fan boys were bragging while bashing Sakura because he only talked a lot about Hinata but when it was Sakura turn he just said this and that then he was over, his interview about Sakura were use against her character and that we should not be fulled by him showing her key chain since it was obvious that Kishi does not like Sakura. I know this well because it was a large topic in the NF Sakura FC section back then.

Honestly, that's all interpretation and if that's the case, that movie sure made a contradiction wouldn't it, especially it's all his 100%. It's not even about NS, it's about the fact she was there in many moments, so this is people's interpretation. Honestly, I believe he still cares for her the most in female. It just so happen that timing is not hers yet, so in a way, we are kind of being spoiled. Granted it's been a while, but patient is the name of the game in this arc. Put it this way, I will come back to this after this next volume is done, ok. I mean come on, he sure has Sakura key chain being for sake of being there. Where's Naruto? Seriously, I do think she is still on his radar, but again, waiting game is the main game in this arc. So yeah, I will leave it that.

[Inferno180]

Yeah I always wonder why Pierrot try to hard to sell the idea of NS even after they declared to be some huge Hinata fan boys.




You're absolutely correct about this but you also need to remember that the buy out is not something to disregard since Kishi admit that he recently that made some changes that he originally did not intended, for example we haves the Kages helping Sasuke to see the light when the story always hinted that Naruto would be the one who help him, I will be honest since Kishi introduced Itachi and Sasuke 2nd meeting I always saw him as a much better suitable person to help Sasuke since Sasuke believes in Itachi more than anyone else, but Naruto would definitely be the last person to completely change his view.

Anyway lets go back to where Kishimoto said that he add some characters he originally did not intend to add those are the Hokages and they are the reason why Sasuke decided on this new path, what would happen if Kishi never changed his mind? Kishi would be force to have Naruto be the savor something many Sasuke fans were not too please about.

If we add this to the time he said that he would write more about Hinata when he already promise the readers that he would write more about Sakura but instead he admitted that she slip his mind, Junko Takeuchi said that he didn't want to make a Naruto movie he wanted to make a Sasuke movie, he said that he is similar to Naruto and Kiba and if he have to choose one of the Konoha girls maybe he would choose Hinata if he is forced.
Him being Kiba or Naruto and Kiba teasing Naruto about Hinata automatically eliminates Kiba, plus the fact that he said that he didn't focus more on Sakura family because he felt that the readers wouldn't be interested. So he basically admitted that he doesn't want to lose any rating.

To be honest my logic stays with NS but my trust in Kishi delivering is not that great anymore.

Well the whole role of the editor being considered the boss of the mangkia, what does this mean when we heard stories about how Kishi has gone through 5 editors?

Just hope those changes didn't involve removing NaruSaku as was shown throughout the majority of the series. It makes sense that any manga needs to move out before deadlines and at an even pace but it really sucks to know this could also butcher the story. All we know is that Naruto will meet Minato and the fight between Naruto and Sasuke will be last and Sakura is still going to have some role too, but its kinda a bummer to know that a simple suggestion could tank an enitre story. I still believe NaruSaku will happen, I just hope that it is a part of the ending not removed. I mean we could imagine that Sasuke's new outlook could cause an effect on Sakura between him and Naruto and she ends up siding with Naruto as her full development still. I mean the orginal ending if Sasuke simply would have kept revenge or gone on with it after listening to the kages, it still would have made Sakura take Naruto's side no questions asked. NS can still happen despite the new Sasuke's moderate view rather than emo-revenge driven view, I mean Sakura can still struggle with moving away from Sasuke and be tempted to go back only to mature and go towards Naruto. I believe NaruSaku will happen, its just that if it does not, lots of damage and disappoinement in the fact that people would respect either Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, or Hinata if NH or SS was triggered, SS the whole story is just a merchanised fanfiction.

Naruhina, I would be upset at kishi for these reasons:
1. Years of buildup sidelined for hardly any. Hardly any emotion in NH compared to what we got with NS.
2. People somehow loving a character who is more important in anime fillers than the manga (this is where hinata is sadly)
3. It would damage Naruto's character literally having him give up.
4. Hinata would literally be a fodder romance character, Naruto simply settled for her rather than had efforts.
5. The parallels would be pointless.
6. It would undermine Naruto's role as a cycle breaker, the guy who resolves everything, why should he fail with Sakura? If anything its ironic that the only people he has not yet turned over fully are Sasuke (due to his vendetta) and Sakura (due to her ideal love for Sasuke), is the full circle development of team 7 not a situaiton in which I don't know, Naruto is hokage, Sasuke is acknowling him and his friend, Sakura is happy the promise is fulfilled and happy Sasuke is back and forgives him but goes to Naruto rather than Sasuke, you know the opposite of what we first saw with:

Naruto: I'm gonna be hokage! Argh Sakura stop hitting me! SASUKE YOU JERK!
Sakura: OMG SASUKE-KUN! Idiot NARUTO!
Sasuke: Revenge, F-off both of you.

Don't you expect the ending for team 7 to be the exact opposite this? You know coming full circle.

finally the last reason, I would honestly hate all the annoying banter of the NH or other anti-sakura fans, it would be a grand scale embarresment for this fandom overall, not for the NS crowd, for the entire Naruto fanbase, people would have taken to loving a minor character with overblown proportions, liking a story reduced to a common 3rd grader story, they would have loved essentially a serialized fanfiction. It would give Naruto fans everywhere an incredibly bad name, it would just be an embarresment to see praise over such an event in a story which could destablize so much and contradict so much more and seeing people just enjoy or accept it. This is something I hope never comes.

If NaruSaku is canon, yeah this can still happen with us doing the banter, the only difference, ours is within logic not harming the story and we would have a valid reason for our banter, its cause the manga did this the whole time. (not going to do this even if NS comes true though, I'd rather enjoy the complaints as the undoing of the NH fandom).