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#17501 trang95

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:20 PM

spoiler "the Last

Don't care. Don't care if it's NH, NS, SS, or any other couple.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:22 PM

The interview is real? WHAT THE ACTUAL kitten. Did Kishi really said that basically he deceived people through FIFTEEN YEARS? He deserves to DIE. kittenin pathetic author.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:25 PM

the Last


Expect the absolute worst. I believe we all know what's coming in that image. It sounds like the effort of desperate men trying to salvage the remains of their marketing campaign though.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:37 PM

For some reason I find this scene incredibly hot!

 

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Everyone knows how warming mesh elbow warmers are in the middle of winter. Especially when it's cold enough out to wear parkas and scarves. That's when the mesh material really kicks in.

 

Girls can often be found deliberating before going out on a snowy night, "Do I go with the fur-lined jacket? Or do I just wear my favorite bare-midriff outfit from this summer and throw on a pair of mesh elbow covers. They will keep me warm from head to toe...no matter how much skin I'm showing.... Elbow warmers it is!"



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:38 PM

"So basically we have all been reading a manga that had misleading material for a whole 15 YEARS, so that at the end there would have been a poorly written movie to just excuse something that was never hinted to make it believable.

Am I the only one not ok with all of this?"

- ladygt

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:40 PM

 

Everyone knows how warming mesh elbow warmers are in the middle of winter. Especially when it's cold enough out to wear parkas and scarves. That's when the mesh material really kicks in.

 

Girls can often be found deliberating before going out on a snowy night, "Do I go with the fur-lined jacket? Or do I just wear my favorite bare-midriff, summer outfit a throw on a pair of mesh elbow covers. They will keep me warm from head to to...no matter how much skin I'm showing... Elbow warmers it is!"

Don't I know it. The girls I used to live with in college always had huge debates on what they should wear before going out on the weekends and whether they should just brave it out and wear something more revealing or just wear something warm.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:42 PM

Like Nate, I can't believe Kishimoto's handlers don't have him tied up in a corner somewhere until after the movie comes out. I mean, what he's doing could seriously put off ticket sales. 

 

If the author says he was basically f*cking over audiences for 15 years, then lots of people across all the ships are going to want to wash their hands of Naruto.

 

And yeah, I'm expecting an SS kiss in that field. Just because it'd be an awful thing to do. Sakura kissing Sasuke the Monk while he's passing through the village for one of his conjugal visits. Ugh.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:42 PM

"So basically we have all been reading a manga that had misleading material for a whole 15 YEARS, so that at the end there would have been a poorly written movie to just excuse something that was never hinted to make it believable.

Am I the only one not ok with all of this?"

- ladygt

 

Tell me about it. I don't think I had ever seen an travesty of this level. This to me is worse then the ending of Mass effect 3, LOST and Evangelion combined. 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:42 PM

Am I the only one who thinks it's strange that we never saw anything EVER about Konaha being cold (I always assumed it was just somewhere warm and humid) but now it's all snowy? And even then, Ino goes for the midriff shirt... Almost as dumb as Hinata wearing that stupid coat all the time.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:44 PM

Kishi is just terrible at trolling and misleading.

 

If you compare it to MGS2 character change there is no comparason in terms of talents and story teller. The character change was ironically a way to make Solid Snake's character even more relevant. He is a mentor, the epitome of a badass, a father figure you can rely on and a philospher. In contrast, Raiden is shown to be the perfsonification of a normal person and player and that's why Snake seems even more awesome than before. Let's not talk about Kishi making Sasuke the MC...

 

It seems Kishi is desperately trying to justify his terrible writing choices. If he told the fans that I made NH to satisfy the larger fanbase and make more cash, Its gonna make him look like a talentless hack. At least, Kojima effing admitted that he wrote his story as he goes on and was even depressed and tired of his series (ironically its still made a lot sense despite some retcons).



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:46 PM

Like Nate, I can't believe Kishimoto's handlers don't have him tied up in a corner somewhere until after the movie comes out. I mean, what he's doing could seriously put off ticket sales. 

 

If the author says he was basically kittening over audiences for 15 years, then lots of people across all the ships are going to want to wash their hands of Naruto.

 

And yeah, I'm expecting an SS kiss in that field. Just because it'd be an awful thing to do. Sakura kissing Sasuke the Monk while he's passing through the village for one of his conjugal visits. Ugh.

What I'm really curious about is how something like this flies with a board of critics or something?? I don't know if they have those in Japan or not. 



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:55 PM

Okay I kind of feel bad for the people who still believe that Narusaku is endgame. There is no way this is going to happen and I know alot of narusaku fans especially on here are going to be upset. I don't feel that bad that narusaku didn't happen though because first of all, the way kishimoto has been treating the fandom lately is disgusting. No respect for them, and also the movie sounds like a horrible way to make a pairing happen when he could have done that in the manga. I don't want Narusaku to be canon at this point, he has ruined it with all the marketing and with all the character assasination, especially sakuras. I'm glad this is the last farewell to naruto and sakura, since none of their development mattered in the manga anyways and Naruto never really loved her it doesn't matter. I only liked this pairing for the development anyways, but now that it means nothing what is the point. For those who still have faith well....I honestly don't know what to say but I honestly don't think you deserve to put that much faith in kishimoto. Not after saying the Narusaku parallel whatever moments were all just red herrings. That's a sh*tty thing to do and even the naruhina and sasusaku fans know that is f**cked up even though they find it funny. I'm just going to stick around for the spoilers of the movie to see if it was actually decent and then I'm done. lol


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:57 PM

What the hell, dude. Stop contradicting yourself. You either considered Sakura at one point or you didn't, make up your mind.

It's so obvious he's just trying to cover his ass and justify this sh*tty movie, the sh*tty couple it's about, and the overwhelming evidence of NS in the manga and the severely lacking NH development in the manga.

If NH was decided in the "very early stages of the story," why the hell did he barely bother to develop it? He easily could have. But he didn't even introduce Hinata until chapter 34, and her and Naruto barely interacted in it (while Sakura was introduced in chapter 3, before Sasuke even, as Naruto's love interest, and we got some touching scenes of the two). And, I guess this means Kushina (and the MK story ad relationship, even) was barely more than a tool to "mislead" readers, considering she's so much like Sakura and the comparisons were meant to mislead readers. That's actually quite cruel of him, to trick his audience like that. It's not clever or good writing at all.

 

It's downright spiteful.  :wallbash:



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 07:58 PM

Kishi is just terrible at trolling and misleading.
 
If you compare it to MGS2 character change there is no comparason in terms of talents and story teller. The character change was ironically a way to make Solid Snake's character even more relevant. He is a mentor, the epitome of a badass, a father figure you can rely on and a philospher. In contrast, Raiden is shown to be the perfsonification of a normal person and player and that's why Snake seems even more awesome than before. Let's not talk about Kishi making Sasuke the MC...
 
It seems Kishi is desperately trying to justify his terrible writing choices. If he told the fans that I made NH to satisfy the larger fanbase and make more cash, Its gonna make him look like a talentless hack. At least, Kojima effing admitted that he wrote his story as he goes on and was even depressed and tired of his series (ironically its still made a lot sense despite some retcons).

Sorry, but even first Metal Gear (not Metal Gear Solid) game is far ahead of what Kishimoto have for anything he is doing right now or done till this point, because of retcons and kitten ending - characters are ruined.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:00 PM

"So basically we have all been reading a manga that had misleading material for a whole 15 YEARS, so that at the end there would have been a poorly written movie to just excuse something that was never hinted to make it believable.
Am I the only one not ok with all of this?"
- ladygt

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:06 PM

Didn't Kishi say he wanted to continue being a mangaka? Does that not require people to admire your skill in writing? How can he hope to sell anything if he keeps disappointing his fans like this?

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:16 PM

I just really, can't believe that he admitted he deceived people propositally. That's too much of what NH and SS wanted to hear, why is he doing that? kittenin piece of kitten human being! He deserves to die slowly! Disrespecting his fans like that, I'm just ashamed that I liked his manga for all that time, but now this is the thing that I hate the most! 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:19 PM

Didn't Kishi say he wanted to continue being a mangaka? Does that not require people to admire your skill in writing? How can he hope to sell anything if he keeps disappointing his fans like this?

You overestimate the larger part of his fanbase, they have no standards. That's why this movie will do well despite everything.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:22 PM

Like Nate, I can't believe Kishimoto's handlers don't have him tied up in a corner somewhere until after the movie comes out. I mean, what he's doing could seriously put off ticket sales. 

 

If the author says he was basically kittening over audiences for 15 years, then lots of people across all the ships are going to want to wash their hands of Naruto.

 

And yeah, I'm expecting an SS kiss in that field. Just because it'd be an awful thing to do. Sakura kissing Sasuke the Monk while he's passing through the village for one of his conjugal visits. Ugh.

 

The assumption, of course, being that Kishi is smart. He isn't by any stretch. Besides, he had already kittened over the audience with the last two chapters. Ticket sales were already at risk. Perhaps the mindless otaku drones, with little interest in Naruto and plenty of interest in Hinata's voice actress, are just that dependable in order to make up for the slack in sales.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 08:22 PM

Expect the absolute worst. I believe we all know what's coming in that image. It sounds like the effort of desperate men trying to salvage the remains of their marketing campaign though.

Idk, we haven't seen any pics of naruto and hinata in a field of cherry blossoms. My guess is it may be a NS kiss or SS kiss. The question is what is the context surrounding it and the outcome?


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