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[TouKen4Life3g]

going back to the question, I would love to see the kiss, but it gives NH fans room to be like "Oh it didn't last" and it lets them keep hope alive, i reallyjust wanna crush all hopes of that.

Even if Naruto marries Sakura and starts a family with her, he'll still have Hinata as his mistress.

Lol.

That would be sad if people would say, "NH still can be canon once Sakura dies during their relationship or it won't last long." Yeah...that's like saying that for all endgame pairings. Sure. Anyway, I still want a kiss scene more than anything.

[Beastbomb]

going back to the question, I would love to see the kiss, but it gives NH fans room to be like "Oh it didn't last" and it lets them keep hope alive, i reallyjust wanna crush all hopes of that.

I'll use this as my like button . There will be nothing better than watching the NH forums rage.

Even if Naruto marries Sakura and starts a family with her, he'll still have Hinata as his mistress.

Naruto, that lucky b**tard!!!! lol, jk. The NH fans will always try to make Hinata end up with Naruto even if they have to make up it up themselves. But I guess all fanbases would do the same if they were put into the same position

[Branden]

I'll use this as my like button . There will be nothing better than watching the NH forums rage.



Naruto, that lucky b**tard!!!! lol, jk. The NH fans will always try to make Hinata end up with Naruto even if they have to make up it up themselves. But I guess all fanbases would do the same if they were put into the same position

that wouldn't be very lucky.... I mean do you really want to be around this all day?

[Shadow1275]

To be honest, what I really want to see is her get over Sasuke already. The whole one-sided love team 7 triangle has been going on for too long. It's time to break the cycle.

[TouKen4Life3g]

To be honest, what I really want to see is her get over Sasuke already. The whole one-sided love team 7 triangle has been going on for too long. It's time to break the cycle.

Indeed. It seems like this one is truly on Sakura. It seems like the hint back in Kage Summit Arc is going to be fully realized and blow the triangle once and for all.

[Inferno180]

To be honest, what I really want to see is her get over Sasuke already. The whole one-sided love team 7 triangle has been going on for too long. It's time to break the cycle.

If Naruto is good at anything, its his success in breaking cycles, this includes how the fate of team 7 will be different from the sannin and team minato

[Beastbomb]

that wouldn't be very lucky.... I mean do you really want to be around this all day?

lol, that is very disturbing . Unfortunaly for Hinata, I don't ship triangles. Love the spin-off, it's hilarious.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Naruto is good at anything, its his success in breaking cycles, this includes how the fate of team 7 will be different from the sannin and team minato

This. So this.

[James S Cassidy]

James, thank you for at least understanding that I'm not attacking people for reading a series with fan service. It's a personal thing. Sometimes I can handle it, sometimes I can't. That doesn't mean that I think it's trash or that those who read it are trash. I don't hate fan service, and it's never the only thing that keeps me away from a series, unless it's too graphic for me to handle, (which is the case for Kimi no Iru Machi...)

And that's fine. There is nothing wrong with not liking those sort of things at all.

If you want to look at Fruits Basket that way, it could count as fan service, but seeing a topless man is less of a shock to me than seeing a woman with giant, bouncy, breasts hanging out of her shirt. There isn't really any sexual tension in that series either, so it's easier to overlook. I think the male characters of Fairy Tail are better examples of pointless female fan service, particularly Natsu and Gray - their abs are always on display.

You think there is no sexual tension in Fruits Basket? lol, alright. All I will say is there are tons of moments that the manga has the anime doesn't show. Some even just as gruesome or worse.

Bolded: It bothers me to see naked men, but I wonder if this is just a sex thing. As in, because you are female you have no problem with it just as since I am a male I have no problems seeing naked females. Not trying to offend you or anything, but I do wonder if our sexes determine what we find appealing and what turns us off. Seeing how most anime are tuned towards males you can see why the fan service might be an attractive thing, however seeing the males get naked almost every episode kind of turned me off of Fruits Basket or part of it. (The series after Volume 11 urked me a bit, but this is a personal thing as well. I still get people pissed at me for my reasons, but whatever. What kept me going was Shigure, believe it or not, then his character got lame in the later issues.)

In a media sort of thing, I am sure you would rather see a handsome muscular man than a fat, bald, piece of crap. Sadly, this is how media has become and tries to depict all these forms of "perfection" in both men and woman. Woman are supposed to be these highly sexualized girls with big bosoms, strong hips, and very subservient, while men are depicted as highly muscular, chiseled chins, and very suave personality. It has become an issue when both men and women are depicted unfairly. Look at how Naruto does is. Hinata is the most popular because she is in such a way and has a very subservient woman. Sasuke as well, Highly sexualized with his chest always exposed and very suave even if he is kind of a jerk. Why are these characters, who can be seen as very flat, are more popular than colorful characters like Sakura and Naruto? Naruto is muscular, but he doesn't show it off and he is goofy. Meanwhile, Sakura is not big breasted and she doesn't take crap from anyone.

I do wonder how much our sexes alter what we find appealing in anime. Does it make a difference? Can it make a difference? Would be interesting to do a study of this. I think I will set up something to test it.

I did have a friend who said something interesting to me in that he says "Wouldn't technically anything be fan-service if it is to appeal to the fans reading/watching?" I have to say he makes a good point. If the scene is meant to entice people to watch, wouldn't it be considered fan-service? Does not necessarily mean sexual, but what about gore, romance, action, et cetera. Why do people go see the SAW movies or watch a James Bond movie? I know we use Fan-service as a term to describe sexual imagery, but I wonder if we can use this term to apply to anything that is used to entice people to watch. I have seen people mostly use it to describe something sexual, but originally this term was used to describe anything that is meant to be appealing.

So technically, all anime and such has some sort of fan-service.

With High School of the Dead, the fan service really did turn me off, (and I watched the anime alongside the manga, so maybe that had to do with it), but that's not the only reason why I stopped reading it. The issue that I had with that series, and I have this problem with every zombie/horror series, was the gore. I can handle it for a while, but then I start getting nightmares... The noises that the zombies make, the screams, and all of the blood... I had to stop watching The Walking Dead because of it, which made me so sad because I think that series has an amazing storyline. I'm not willing to risk how well I sleep at night just to see what happens though.

Really? Fair enough. I can't say I am not one to get nightmares from movies and such, but I am surprised that series gives you nightmares. The SAW movies are more likely to give me nightmares than zombie movies. I guess it's just the way it is.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 April 2013 - 01:19 PM.

[StrikerTheNoble]

And that's fine. There is nothing wrong with not liking those sort of things at all.



You think there is no sexual tension in Fruits Basket? lol, alright. All I will say is there are tons of moments that the manga has the anime doesn't show. Some even just as gruesome or worse.

Bolded: It bothers me to see naked men, but I wonder if this is just a sex thing. As in, because you are female you have no problem with it just as since I am a male I have no problems seeing naked females. Not trying to offend you or anything, but I do wonder if our sexes determine what we find appealing and what turns us off. Seeing how most anime are tuned towards males you can see why the fan service might be an attractive thing, however seeing the males get naked almost every episode kind of turned me off of Fruits Basket or part of it. (The series after Volume 11 urked me a bit, but this is a personal thing as well. I still get people pissed at me for my reasons, but whatever. What kept me going was Shigure, believe it or not, then his character got lame in the later issues.)

I do wonder how much our sexes alter what we find appealing in anime. Does it make a difference? Can it make a difference? Would be interesting to a study of this.

I did have a friend who said something interesting to me in that he says "Wouldn't technically anything be fan-service if it is to appeal to the fans reading/watching?" I have to say he makes a good point. If the scene is meant to entice people to watch, wouldn't it be considered fan-service? Does not necessarily mean sexual, but what about gore, romance, action, et cetera. Why do people go see the SAW movies or watch a James Bond movie? I know we use Fan-service as a term to describe sexual imagery, but I wonder if we can just this term to apply to anything that is used to entice people to watch. I have seen people mostly use it to describe something sexual, but originally this terms was used to describe anything.

So technically, all anime and such has some sort of fan-service.



Really? Fair enough. I can't say I am not one to get nightmares from movies and such, but I am surprised that series gives you nightmares. The SAW movies are more likely to give me nightmares than zombies movies. I guess it's just the way it is.

I used to be afraid of zombies. But then I realised something... Zombies are overrated. Here`s why:

1. They are slow. I can run fast but not far but Im pretty sure I can outrun one.
2. Zombies are weak. Their musles and nerves are deteriorated. If they managed to catch you, you can probably fight off about 5 of them.
3. Zombies are dumb. Their brains run on basic funtions and you can probably outthink and outmanover one.
4. Zombies are not agile. Again you can probably outmanover them
5. Zombies are not nuke proof. In case of zombie apocalipse you nuke the town and fix the problem.
6. Zombies cant take down tanks. Blast the motherf*****s.
7. Zombies are not impervious to bullets and nades. Just imobilize them.

Thats why I stopped watching the walking dead. It impossible for it to happen. Every decent military in the world can handle a zombie outbreak. Especially if a group of random survivors can.

Edited by StrikerTheNoble, 18 April 2013 - 01:21 PM.

[Inferno180]

Well the thing is, anime series have a degree of giving fan-service, the amount they give though depends on what the genre is and actually what the story is if anything, I mean to love ru is a major nothing but fanservice series, never getting into it. Others like Sket dance, its every now and then but usually for humor and this is a good series.

Fanservice is not all bad and not all innuendo jokes, just as long as its for the sake of humor and done in rare instances, I mean one thing Naruto tended to do right was limit it to rare instances in the manga, but in the anime fillers, rock lee spinoff, and other media, well it is acceptable there as those are not canon. Intersting fact though: Naruto's sexy technique while it may seem like just blant fanservice at first, its actually part of his overall character along with kurama. Naruto was designed originally to be a kitsune who was orphaned and took human form. Rather kishi made Naruto human with a fox spirit inside, the deal though with his attitude early on though was all part of his design from the folklore of kistunes. Kitsunes in folklore are known to mess with humans (naruto's prankish nature), take the form of women (the sexy technique), and keep their promises when someone both requests something from them or does something nice to them without expecting anything in return (Naruto's nindo, promise to Sakura that kinda thing).

Most shouen manga limit it though,

Its not an anime, but the Avatar series, the creators mess with the fanbase so much thats what makes it funny. They love to toy with their emotions and even did it at comic-con once.

[Slextrem]

And that's fine. There is nothing wrong with not liking those sort of things at all.

You think there is no sexual tension in Fruits Basket? lol, alright. All I will say is there are tons of moments that the manga has the anime doesn't show. Some even just as gruesome or worse.

I'll take your word for it. It's been about five years since I read that series, so I'm more than likely forgetting things.

Bolded: It bothers me to see naked men, but I wonder if this is just a sex thing. As in, because you are female you have no problem with it just as since I am a male I have no problems seeing naked females. Not trying to offend you or anything, but I do wonder if our sexes determine what we find appealing and what turns us off. Seeing how most anime are tuned towards males you can see why the fan service might be an attractive thing, however seeing the males get naked almost every episode kind of turned me off of Fruits Basket or part of it. (The series after Volume 11 urked me a bit, but this is a personal thing as well. I still get people pissed at me for my reasons, but whatever. What kept me going was Shigure, believe it or not, then his character got lame in the later issues.)

In a media sort of thing, I am sure you would rather see a handsome muscular man than a fat, bald, piece of crap. Sadly, this is how media has become and tries to depict all these forms of "perfection" in both men and woman. Woman are supposed to be these highly sexualized girls with big bosoms, strong hips, and very subservient, while men are depicted as highly muscular, chiseled chins, and very suave personality. It has become an issue when both men and women are depicted unfairly. Look at how Naruto does is. Hinata is the most popular because she is in such a way and has a very subservient. Sasuke as well, Highly sexualized with his chest always exposed and very suave even if he is kind of a jerk. Why are these characters, who can be seen as very flat, are more popular than colorful characters like Sakura and Naruto? Naruto is muscular, but he doesn't show it off and he is goofy. Meanwhile, Sakura is not big breasted and she doesn't take crap from anyone.

I do wonder how much our sexes alter what we find appealing in anime. Does it make a difference? Can it make a difference? Would be interesting to a study of this. I think I will set up something to test it.

There's no doubt in my mind that part of it has to do with our sexes. As a woman, I find it less appealing to see a bunch of sexualized female characters in a manga. I don't want to see panty shots, or cleavage, or butt. That's not what makes a good female character, nor a good story, in my opinion. As a man, I'm sure that's why you don't appreciate seeing male characters flaunting their "rock hard bods" day-in and day-out. It's easier for me to tune that out though, partly because society is more accustomed to seeing men without their shirts on, but I dislike how both set unrealistic standards for the opposite sex.

I did have a friend who said something interesting to me in that he says "Wouldn't technically anything be fan-service if it is to appeal to the fans reading/watching?" I have to say he makes a good point. If the scene is meant to entice people to watch, wouldn't it be considered fan-service? Does not necessarily mean sexual, but what about gore, romance, action, et cetera. Why do people go see the SAW movies or watch a James Bond movie? I know we use Fan-service as a term to describe sexual imagery, but I wonder if we can use this term to apply to anything that is used to entice people to watch. I have seen people mostly use it to describe something sexual, but originally this term was used to describe anything that is meant to be appealing.

So technically, all anime and such has some sort of fan-service.

Technically, yes. I only use the term "fan service" because that seems to be what everyone refers to the sexual content in a series as. Of course, there are many other things that can count as fan service, like you and your friend said.

Really? Fair enough. I can't say I am not one to get nightmares from movies and such, but I am surprised that series gives you nightmares. The SAW movies are more likely to give me nightmares than zombie movies. I guess it's just the way it is.

I'm a baby when it comes to that stuff. I always have been. The noises, the screams, and watching some white-eyed, decaying... thing pull apart the skin, muscle, and juicy bits of someone's body makes me sick. I tried to ignore it or look away when I did watch The Walking Dead because so many people were talking about how great the story is, and I made it through most of the first season, but I just couldn't handle watching the whole thing. My mind plays too many tricks on me.

Edited by Slextrem, 18 April 2013 - 01:36 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

There's no doubt in my mind that part of it has to do with our sexes. As a woman, I find it less appealing to see a bunch of sexualized female characters in a manga. I don't want to see panty shots, or cleavage, or butt. That's not what makes a good female character, nor a good story, in my opinion. As a man, I'm sure that's why you don't appreciate seeing male characters flaunting their "rock hard bods" day-in and day-out. It's easier for me to tune that out though, partly because society is more accustomed to seeing men without their shirts on, but I dislike how both set unrealistic standards for the opposite sex.

Funny enough, just like you Slex, I am not too fond of panty shots or huge urealistic breasts, but neither am I okay with guys always having their shirt off. To be honest, it is sometimes enticing. I am not that muscular or suave and it feels like at times it purposely tries to make me insecure about being a man. It's telling me, I have to be like that otherwise girls don't like me and sadly some girls fall under wanting that stereotype. Not meaning you, btw, but sometimes I find girl who get caught up in that "fantasy." You know how many times I hear girls crying how "sexy" Chris Hemsworth was in Avengers and how many times they wanted to see him with his shirt off in Thor? *sigh* (Twilight is even worse when it comes to this, but that is as much as I am going to say. You know how many times I hear girls talk about nothing, but "Who is hotter?")

Then again, I am not too fond of some character types in stories even if they are "gorgeous." Like Rei from HOTD. I find her very annoying even if she is "sexy." Also like Hinata who even though is very cute and "big boobed," I find very shallow and flat. I like Saeko better because she is how I like to see females. Strong and willing to help anyway she can. (She is sexualized, but I don't even notice it half the time funny enough.) Same with Sakura.

I see what you mean by the sexual imagery and how it sort of degrades female characters, but I have to ask have you ever hated a male character because he was highly sexualized? You say you do it to female leads, but has it ever happened with a male character? Sexualized alone doesn't deter me from a character unless that is all the character is based around, but I find more problems in their personality. "Pretty on the outside" sort of thing.

Technically, yes. I only use the term "fan service" because that seems to be what everyone refers to the sexual content in a series as. Of course, there are many other things that can count as fan service, like you and your friend said.

I was just making a point that sex is not always what appeals to people and technically some are just appealed to gore and violence as they are to sex. Everyone is different. You understand.

I'm a baby when it comes to that stuff. I always have been. The noises, the screams, and watching some white-eyed, decaying... thing pull apart the skin, muscle, and juicy bits of someone's body makes me sick. I tried to ignore it or look away when I did watch The Walking Dead because so many people were talking about how great the story is, and I made it through most of the first season, but I just couldn't handle watching the whole thing. My mind plays too many tricks on me.

Awww, hugs for Slextrem. *hugs*

I used to be afraid of zombies. But then I realised something... Zombies are overrated. Here`s why:

1. They are slow. I can run fast but not far but Im pretty sure I can outrun one.
2. Zombies are weak. Their musles and nerves are deteriorated. If they managed to catch you, you can probably fight off about 5 of them.
3. Zombies are dumb. Their brains run on basic funtions and you can probably outthink and outmanover one.
4. Zombies are not agile. Again you can probably outmanover them
5. Zombies are not nuke proof. In case of zombie apocalipse you nuke the town and fix the problem.
6. Zombies cant take down tanks. Blast the motherf*****s.
7. Zombies are not impervious to bullets and nades. Just imobilize them.

Thats why I stopped watching the walking dead. It impossible for it to happen. Every decent military in the world can handle a zombie outbreak. Especially if a group of random survivors can.

I think you underestimate zombies, but I sent all that in a PM.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 18 April 2013 - 02:18 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel that if the heroine got the "best of both worlds" it's begging for fanservice and whether the manga does it or not, the anime will definitely do it. If the heroine only got one, well it depends where. Upper will be easier to do while the lower can be tricky and usually use combat to take an advantage. Funny thing is about the lower is that it flows nicely and it doesn't come out as forced such as Sasori vs. Sakura. If the heroine got none, well...hm, I got no idea. Maybe make it kid friendly? That's what happened to Rukia.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 18 April 2013 - 02:21 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I feel that if the heroine got the "best of both worlds" it's begging for fanservice and whether the manga does it or not, the anime will definitely do it. If the heroine only got one, well it depends where. Upper will be easier to do while the lower can be tricky and usually use combat to take an advantage. Funny thing is about the lower is that it flows nicely and it doesn't come out as forced such as Sasori vs. Sakura. If the heroine got none, well...hm, I got no idea. Maybe make it kid friendly? That's what happened to Rukia.

One word: Sekirei

[StrikerTheNoble]

I feel that if the heroine got the "best of both worlds" it's begging for fanservice and whether the manga does it or not, the anime will definitely do it. If the heroine only got one, well it depends where. Upper will be easier to do while the lower can be tricky and usually use combat to take an advantage. Funny thing is about the lower is that it flows nicely and it doesn't come out as forced such as Sasori vs. Sakura. If the heroine got none, well...hm, I got no idea. Maybe make it kid friendly? That's what happened to Rukia.

I have absolutely no complaints what so ever about Sakuras portrail in Sakura vs Sasori. She has a beautiful mind and body and i think the Sakura haters needed to be shown that.

[TouKen4Life3g]

One word: Sekirei

Lol. Yeah...

I have absolutely no complaints what so ever about Sakuras portrail in Sakura vs Sasori. She has a beautiful mind and body and i think the Sakura haters needed to be shown that.

I didn't complain at all. That's why it felt like it worked its advantage.

You know how I can tell the manga has low fanservice? Konan. If you understand what I mean, then good. I bet if it was Hiro's job, he will go all out. Not the way you want though...

[Slextrem]

Funny enough, just like you Slex, I am not too fond of panty shots or huge urealistic breasts, but neither am I okay with guys always having their shirt off. To be honest, it is sometimes enticing. I am not that muscular or suave and it feels like at times it purposely tries to make me insecure about being a man. It's telling me, I have to be like that otherwise girls don't like me and sadly some girls fall under wanting that stereotype. Not meaning you, btw, but sometimes I find girl who get caught up in that "fantasy." You know how many times I hear girls crying how "sexy" Chris Hemsworth was in Avengers and how many times they wanted to see him with his shirt off in Thor? *sigh* (Twilight is even worse when it comes to this, but that is as much as I am going to say. You know how many times I hear girls talk about nothing, but "Who is hotter?")

That's part of why I dislike the over-sexualization of male and female characters. It gives people unrealistic expectations for their own relationships. I know far too many women that think it's disgusting to see chest-hair on a man, for example, just because all of the movie actors they've seen are as smooth as a dolphin. In my opinion, something like that should be irrelevant. That doesn't determine whether or not I'm going to find my partner attractive - their personality, the way that they treat me, and their values will. Sure, there should be a physical attraction, but that's not all there is to a relationship. I'm not interested in a pretty boy if they have a flat personality.

Some men also have unrealistic expectations for women too. My co-worker told me once that, when she was walking to work, some ass-hat pulled up next to her and said something along the lines of, "You're wasting your looks!", just because she was wearing more conservative clothes that day. He was genuinely upset that she wasn't exposing more of her legs and chest for him to look at. Ew! I also know some guys that won't give certain girls a chance because they're "too fat", "too flat", or "not wild enough" for their liking. Why should any of that matter? Even when they develop closer relationships with those women, they will refuse to get involved because of those reasons alone. Unless she's a sex-kitten, it's impossible to catch their attention. Funny enough, those same guys have either never had a girlfriend before or their past relationships have lasted no longer than a month.

You might be the sexiest person alive, but if your personality is kitten, who's going to want to be with you? I think Ron White said it best:


"You can't fix stupid."

Then again, I am not too fond of some character types in stories even if they are "gorgeous." Like Rei from HOTD. I find her very annoying even if she is "sexy." Also like Hinata who even though is very cute and "big boobed," I find very shallow and flat. I like Saeko better because she is how I like to see females. Strong and willing to help anyway she can. (She is sexualized, but I don't even notice it half the time funny enough.) Same with Sakura.

I see what you mean by the sexual imagery and how it sort of degrades female characters, but I have to ask have you ever hated a male character because he was highly sexualized? You say you do it to female leads, but has it ever happened with a male character? Sexualized alone doesn't deter me from a character unless that is all the character is based around, but I find more problems in their personality. "Pretty on the outside" sort of thing.

I never hate a character solely because of sexualization. That will play a part in it, but there are always going to be other factors that turn me off from them, and yes, I have criticized male characters for being nothing but eye-candy, if you want to call it that.

For example, I can't stand Gray. He's always taking off his clothes, and yes he's depicted as having a really nice body, but he's as dumb as a rock. Natsu too. When they interact together, they remind me of cavemen. Or the vice/captains from Bleach. They either have the exact same personality as everyone else, which is loud and obnoxious, or they're completely stoic. There's nothing else there to keep me interested in them. I actually make fun of them. They just look so ridiculous. Kenpachi, for example. Sure, he's a macho man, but there's nothing else to him. The only thing he's interested in is smashing things.

Awww, hugs for Slextrem. *hugs*

[Branden]

actually you can fix stupid. humans are constantly learning and progressing, all it takes is a person with enough patience to teach. of course that is intelligence. wisdom they will have the learn on their own.

[HauntedCake]

Lol have we really run out of things to debate other then looks?