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#17381 Konohakitten

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:59 PM

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What is up with Hinata always standing to the side? Seriously does being in that position actually mean something?

 

Kishimoto cannot get out of this, point blank. The only people willing to turn a blind eye at this point are NH shippers.
Everyone else, who isn't unduly biased against characters or ships, or against READING in general can concede that he's f**cked up big time and every new Interview where he back-peddles just proves the case that NH is in fact a badly written ending. 

 

I honestly thought that by now the worst would be over, but it seems as though Kishi is just spewing out more garbage. This is just mind boggling. If I could tell my past self all of this I'd be like psst yeah right.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:59 PM

Kishi should put his foot in his mouth. Has a creator ever kittened up his work like him?

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 03:59 PM

it's so comical though! He really did kitten up and I have no f**cks to give if this movie tanks. I hope it doesn't do as well as RtN Jay so these fools can see that even though some people didn't like NS it AT LEAST made sense and it didn't butcher characters around them. NH required murdering character's overall. Going off of these interviews I shouldn't even like Naruto. He's a user.

Nono, see that's not NARUTO, that's NARDO-KUN.
Big difference :zaru: 

The only thing this movie is worthy of is a Razz award and a good "Mystery science Theater 3000" Review treatment from critics. 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:01 PM

What is up with Hinata always standing to the side? Seriously does being in that position actually mean something?
 

 
I honestly thought that by now the worst would be over, but it seems as though Kishi is just spewing out more garbage. This is just mind boggling. If I could tell my past self all of this I'd be like psst yeah right.

I wish LadyGT would buy the rights to Naruto so she can make the true ending. Not just make NS canon but make the characters like their selves.

Edited by NaruSaku fan in Kentucky, 05 December 2014 - 04:02 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:01 PM

 

With Hinata as Itachi? :wot:

yeah.. hanabi adores hinata like sasuke does itachi. i only watched some chinese screencaps though.. dialogues are kinda like this.

 

 

hana: hinata nee-chan!

 

i've waited for you so long, can we play today

 

hina: sorry hanabi, not now

 

maybe next time

 

hana:  no no nee chan~!

hanabi then sulk like sasuke, hyuga maid comfort hanabi (like sasuke's mom) that their sibling are top/ special ninjas...

 

correct me if im wrong :argh: 


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:02 PM

What is up with Hinata always standing to the side? Seriously does being in that position actually mean something?

It means they're trying to sell her as the new heroine and most important person in Naruto's life.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:02 PM

Of course I use what has happened in the manga and not what he spews in his interviews. It's just comical how much he's TRYING TO make NH look like the real deal. Trying to claim that NS was nothing but a misstep. Trying to say that Hinata was always the one true love and Sakura was just mere competition. If people wanna go off of these interviews Naruto should have a kitten ton of haters but it only backs up that NH fans were threatened by Sakura. Because even though Naruto SUPPOSEDLY stood in the way of SS. SUPPOSEDLY didn't like her at all and LIED TO HIMSELF, he's still well liked. It's more about Hinata than him. She got the guy and they give no kittens in how it was done. Well if NS happened like this I wouldn't be with it. Hell I wouldn't even ship it because I put LOGIC above anything else.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:04 PM

Nono, see that's not NARUTO, NARDO-KUN.
Big difference :zaru: 
The only thing this movie is worthy of is a Razz award and a good "Mystery science Theater 3000" Review treatment from critics.


lmao! Nardo. :P im so excited to see hoe its gonna do in theaters! Ill have my popcirn for the response!

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:05 PM

Of course I use what has happened in the manga and not what he spews in his interviews. It's just comical how much he's TRYING TO make NH look like the real deal. Trying to claim that NS was nothing but a misstep. Trying to say that Hinata was always the one true love and Sakura was just mere competition. If people wanna go off of these interviews Naruto should have a kitten ton of haters but it only backs up that NH fans were threatened by Sakura. Because even though Naruto SUPPOSEDLY stood in the way of SS. SUPPOSEDLY didn't like her at all and LIED TO HIMSELF, he's still well liked. It's more about Hinata than him. She got the guy and they give no f**cks in how it was done. Well if NS happened like this I wouldn't be with it. Hell I wouldn't even ship it because I put LOGIC above anything else.

I don't buy what Kishi says anymore. He's making himself look worse than before.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:10 PM

 

 

What is up with Hinata always standing to the side? Seriously does being in that position actually mean something?

 

 

I honestly thought that by now the worst would be over, but it seems as though Kishi is just spewing out more garbage. This is just mind boggling. If I could tell my past self all of this I'd be like psst yeah right.

Rule #1, kishi can always make it worse :zaru: 

Next thing he says will be "Hinata was ALWAYS the Heroine." 


As for her standing to the side; Boobs and Butt are showcased best that way. 

 

 

lmao! Nardo. :P im so excited to see hoe its gonna do in theaters! Ill have my popcirn for the response!

See, Naruto has been replaced with Nardo-kun, Sakura with Suckra, Hinata has become Alienata,and Sasuke Is Sanchez Ventilador :zaru:

The real characters have all flown away somewhere safe, where Kishimoto can never hurt them again. 


Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 05 December 2014 - 04:11 PM.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:12 PM

New kishi interview

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Naruto ending up with Hinata was decided in the very early stages of the story.
Naruto being close to Sakura was a deliberate mislead, thats why the scenes of Sakura being compared to Kushina were introduced.
The Last Movie is not only the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata, but it is the story of Sakura & Naruto parting ways.
He felt the story of Naruto falling in love with Hinata has to be propely explained, or it wouldnt be fair to the readers. Thats why the Last Movie exists.

^is this really what Kishi said?? If so I'll throw up. He just wanted to keep us interested..
If nh was decided sooo early then why was there barely any interactions?!

 

So in other words, NaruSaku was really one giant red herring...

 

This guy is definitely a big ass troll. No one can tell me otherwise now.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:12 PM

Rule #1, kishi can always make it worse :zaru: 
Next thing he says will be "Hinata was ALWAYS the Heroine." 
As for her standing to the side; Boobs and Butt are showcased best that way. 
 
 

See, Naruto has been replaced with Nardo-kun, Sakura with Suckra, Hinata has become Alienata,and Sasuke Is Sanchez Ventilador :zaru:
The real characters have all flown away somewhere safe, where Kishimoto can never hurt them again.

They're in LadyGT's hands.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:14 PM

wow kishi can you fail even more honestly I got laugh at all the NH fans now for a manga writer to go so far to try a deny something like NS and its parallels and look bad doing it just proves more NH shouldn't had been the ending. 

 

kishi your a bad writer this movie is all about what hinata wants and you have tossed aside naruto.


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:15 PM

 
So in other words, NaruSaku was really one giant red herring...
 
This guy is definitely a big ass troll. No one can tell me otherwise now.


its too BIG to be a Red herring, more like kishi is trying to justify his stupid retcons

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:23 PM

I think the question is not whether or not people can relate to Hinata or not. To be honest, I have never met someone as shy and insecure as Hinata in real life who is constantly stalking her crush for more over than a decade. No human has such an unhealthy obsession towards their first infatuation. While Hinata's main character traits are gentleness and kindness, she does not reflect the full range of emotions and feelings people undergo through. Hinata has not been portrayed enough in the Manga to know her complete personality.

Out of all the characters, Sakura is indeed the most human. Except for her hair color, she has realistic body features (flat chest, big forehead), gained her skills through hard work and not inheritence, and is easily one of the most emotional characters throughout the entire series.-There's a reason why I wish I could be like Sakura sometimes, but I'm digressing.

Sakura's main problem is simply the everlasting hate a huge chunk of the fandom has towards her. Her "ordinary" human strength is nothing exciting to the people and -let's be honest- whenever she's around Sasuke, she pisses people of- very many people. Her confession was unpopular among the majority of the fandom as it was so easily misinterpreted and only decreased her popularity further. It's like Kishi is unaware of the hatred he himself is putting onto Sakura b/c of the way he portrays her in the manga.

What I'm trying to say is: When the writers had to make a decision b/w Sakura and Hinata, they chose Hinata b/c they knew that many people dislike Sakura. Kishi sold out. Period.

Not once will I believe that he intended Sakura not to come together with Naruto.

 

EDIT: If anyone even tried to watch the special yesterday, just don't, b/c if you thought they would explore the sister-relationship you were dead wrong.

I love Sakura because she's so flawed. As many others have said, it makes her real. She's the real person who should have taught Neji to ignore destiny; it certainly shouldn't have been reincarnated Naruto. But it's unfortunate that so many fans hated Sakura because of how she was portrayed in Part I. They refused to see her growth and maturation. They also ignore the fact that hitting Naruto isn't "abuse" but a trope. But what makes that even more unfortunate is that Kishi validated all this hate in 699 by turning her back into her Part I self.

 

 

Yeah, it's a tremendously sexist pov, and shows that Kishimoto, in the end, wasn't as good as his creations. The story ended on these lines. The hero is unchallenged and is awarded the long-devoted, long-suffering, flaw free, phsyically attractive girl. Sakura and Sasuke are paired and written off.

 

It's interesting though that in the promotional art Sakura is never shown with Sasuke. She's still always standing by Naruto. It's like the promotional people can't see her as someone who doesn't support Naruto, or someone who would choose Sasuke over Naruto, and would stand by him and support him instead. There's truth in that little bit of positioning that's happening over and over again in the advertising!!

 

So much of what Kishi has done and portrayed is sexist. But on top of that, so much of the fandom is reinforcing uncomfortable and misogynistic views. The people who justify Sasuke's treatment of Sakura; those who would denigrate Sakura for choosing to cast Sasuke aside in favor of a more supportive, loving partner in Naruto; and, especially, NS fans who think he deserves Sakura for being a "nice guy."

From a cultural standpoint, it's fascinating.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:25 PM

 

The Kushina and Sakura parallel did exist and NaruSaku fans weren't imagining it. Poor NaruHina fans who always said it didn't exist.

 

Naruto did love Sakura during the series, he loved her for 699 chapters. Even if those feelings were retconned as shallow, Hinata isn't Naruto's first love like the movie tries to sell. Poor NaruHina fans who said otherwise.

 

NaruHina had no resolution in the manga, needed a movie to explain it, where Kishi himself says he falls in love in. It's confirmation that all that development in the manga was platonic from Naruto's side. Poor NaruHina fans who said he was already in love with her during the series.

 

It's bittersweet. NaruSaku doesn't look well, but neither does NaruHina.

 

Completely agree with this.

 

All this just confirms what I said before. Kishimoto sucks at writing romance.

 

I can understand the red herring thing but would it have killed him to give naruhina more development? I can't even begin to mention sasusaku,

 

Then again, he is the same guy that completely forgets characters if they are nit relevant to a certain plot. So I am not too surprised.



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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:26 PM

I wish LadyGT would buy the rights to Naruto so she can make the true ending. Not just make NS canon but make the characters like their selves.

 

At this point that's whats really important, I want to see the characters I feel in love with.

 

It means they're trying to sell her as the new heroine and most important person in Naruto's life.

 

 

 

 

 

Urgh what a joke :hm:

 

 

 

Rule #1, kishi can always make it worse :zaru: 

Next thing he says will be "Hinata was ALWAYS the Heroine." 


As for her standing to the side; Boobs and Butt are showcased best that way. 


 

 

See, Naruto has been replaced with Nardo-kun, Sakura with Suckra, Hinata has become Alienata,and Sasuke Is Sanchez Ventilador :zaru:

The real characters have all flown away somewhere safe, where Kishimoto can never hurt them again. 

 

 

Yup that does really make sense :sick:


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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:28 PM

Like I said he's trying to keep his movie from bombing which it looks like it's gonna happen.

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:29 PM

He already admitted he made Hinata into a oppai character( part 2) because it sells.
He is just a greedy writer, one that values money over his own history

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Posted 05 December 2014 - 04:33 PM

I've seen better writing from Tommy Wiseau.

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